Reconstruction time again: the summer 2018 transfer thread

[mullayo]

Clear there is ambition. I heard a few weeks back that Parky is trying hard to sign Jordan Rhodes on a season long loan. Sticking point is that Wednesday need his wages covered and a loan fee. They are FFP hamstrung.

Is Jordan Rhodes the 'MYSTERY CHAMPIONSHIP STRIKER'?

[Prufrock]

Jordan Rhodes is always the mystery championship striker.

Lots of good talk recently, need to get some names on contracts. Pre season starts when, next week?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Jordan Rhodes is always the mystery championship striker.

Lots of good talk recently, need to get some names on contracts. Pre season starts when, next week?

Iles yesterday: "We are a week away from pre-season tests, three weeks away from the first pre-season friendly at Atherton Colls, with the opening round of EFL Championship games commencing in 46 days."

[BWFC_Insane]

Jordan Rhodes is always the mystery championship striker.

Lots of good talk recently, need to get some names on contracts. Pre season starts when, next week?

Any names? Whilst I get the sentiment, I'd rather we waited for the right players if that is what it takes.

I'm no huge Jordan Rhodes fan (as can be testified here) but could see the sense in it if true and the sense in Chungy. They would be step ups on what we have. However, unlikely we'll be the only ones in the queue so these things take time.

I'm sure we could sign a load of Stephen Darby's tomorrow if we wanted, but we need to get the right players and for me that often means being patient.

I agree there is a worry over our ridiculously small squad now, but certainly panic signings aren't the way forward. During the WC I expect things to be slow with agents, managers etc probably not in the country.

[mullayo]

Jordan Rhodes is always the mystery championship striker.

Lots of good talk recently, need to get some names on contracts. Pre season starts when, next week?

Any names? Whilst I get the sentiment, I'd rather we waited for the right players if that is what it takes.

I'm no huge Jordan Rhodes fan (as can be testified here) but could see the sense in it if true and the sense in Chungy. They would be step ups on what we have. However, unlikely we'll be the only ones in the queue so these things take time.

I'm sure we could sign a load of Stephen Darby's tomorrow if we wanted, but we need to get the right players and for me that often means being patient.

I agree there is a worry over our ridiculously small squad now, but certainly panic signings aren't the way forward. During the WC I expect things to be slow with agents, managers etc probably not in the country.

Yeah world cup year slows things up. A lot of players in the shop window. When the big names go the trickle down effect happens. I'm mainly happy with the names being bandied about TBH.

[bristol_Wanderer3]

Clear there is ambition. I heard a few weeks back that Parky is trying hard to sign Jordan Rhodes on a season long loan. Sticking point is that Wednesday need his wages covered and a loan fee. They are FFP hamstrung.

They signed him for a reported £10m. He must be on £30k - £40k per week. There is no way I would want us to gamble like that on Rhodes. No team he has played in at this level has been able to accommodate him successfully. He has scored goals but the team has had to make too many sacrifices for those goals. If we have £2m+ to spend on a striker there are tons that would be better for us than him imho, particularly if we sign Chungy and Ameobi. Just a hard working, unselfish, dependable no.9 would be fine.

[BWFC_Insane]

Clear there is ambition. I heard a few weeks back that Parky is trying hard to sign Jordan Rhodes on a season long loan. Sticking point is that Wednesday need his wages covered and a loan fee. They are FFP hamstrung.

They signed him for a reported £10m. He must be on £30k - £40k per week. There is no way I would want us to gamble like that on Rhodes. No team he has played in at this level has been able to accommodate him successfully. He has scored goals but the team has had to make too many sacrifices for those goals. If we have £2m+ to spend on a striker there are tons that would be better for us than him imho, particularly if we sign Chungy and Ameobi. Just a hard working, unselfish, dependable no.9 would be fine.

Its just a rumour. But talk is we're prepared to offer decent wages to a striker. I'm with you. I don't and never have rated Rhodes (I was laughed at on here when I said the lad would never be a premiership player as his all round game wasn't good enough). His all round game isn't strong enough. However, I'd say he's a step up on Le Fondre and definitely on Wilbraham.

However I think it would be expensive and risky. Mind there won't be many strikers we can sign and we do need goals adding in.

[Prufrock]

I think we have to assume Ken isn't going to go spending money we can't afford, so not really bothered about wages he has had before or not.

He'd definitely be an upgrade on what we have. He doesn't need to be good enough for the Prem for that.

I'm also not sure what the world cup has really got to with us. Yer man on a free from Burton say isn't sharing an agent with Griezman.

Of course we need to get the right players, but the transfer window slams shut early, and we're going to be playing friendlies with about 4 players. Time to get cracking.

[bristol_Wanderer3]

Clear there is ambition. I heard a few weeks back that Parky is trying hard to sign Jordan Rhodes on a season long loan. Sticking point is that Wednesday need his wages covered and a loan fee. They are FFP hamstrung.

They signed him for a reported £10m. He must be on £30k - £40k per week. There is no way I would want us to gamble like that on Rhodes. No team he has played in at this level has been able to accommodate him successfully. He has scored goals but the team has had to make too many sacrifices for those goals. If we have £2m+ to spend on a striker there are tons that would be better for us than him imho, particularly if we sign Chungy and Ameobi. Just a hard working, unselfish, dependable no.9 would be fine.

Its just a rumour. But talk is we're prepared to offer decent wages to a striker. I'm with you. I don't and never have rated Rhodes (I was laughed at on here when I said the lad would never be a premiership player as his all round game wasn't good enough). His all round game isn't strong enough. However, I'd say he's a step up on Le Fondre and definitely on Wilbraham.

However I think it would be expensive and risky. Mind there won't be many strikers we can sign and we do need goals adding in.

Yes if we were to get our striker from Sheffield Wednesday I would take Nuhiu, Joao, Fletcher or Winnall before Rhodes. Nuhiu has just signed a new deal, but they all would probably be cheaper than Rhodes.

[bristol_Wanderer3]

I think we have to assume Ken isn't going to go spending money we can't afford, so not really bothered about wages he has had before or not.

He'd definitely be an upgrade on what we have. He doesn't need to be good enough for the Prem for that.

I'm also not sure what the world cup has really got to with us. Yer man on a free from Burton say isn't sharing an agent with Griezman.

Of course we need to get the right players, but the transfer window slams shut early, and we're going to be playing friendlies with about 4 players. Time to get cracking.

Talking of Burton, judging from the end of last season, Liam Boyce would be a great signing. Good point about the window closing early, August 9th iirc. A few teams have changed managers and haven't really got going yet, and a few more might be caught out by the early deadline. There could be a big demand exceeding supply issue that push wages up as the deadline nears.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think we have to assume Ken isn't going to go spending money we can't afford, so not really bothered about wages he has had before or not.

He'd definitely be an upgrade on what we have. He doesn't need to be good enough for the Prem for that.

I'm also not sure what the world cup has really got to with us. Yer man on a free from Burton say isn't sharing an agent with Griezman.

Of course we need to get the right players, but the transfer window slams shut early, and we're going to be playing friendlies with about 4 players. Time to get cracking.

They are mainly with agencies now, and many of those agents will be at the WC, and certainly dealing with the freebie at Burton might not be their top priority.

Trying to get players into their agencies etc....they are there not for the big known stars but to sign up the unknowns and make a fortune.

Not saying its entirely that but the WC always slows down transfer movement and I'm assuming lots of players and managers are also on holidays now.

As much as I want to see us moving, I also want us to get the right players. If that means waiting till July then fine. Don't sign a load of shite now for the sake of it. Either we're waiting for the right deals or Ken is just taking the piss. I know which one I think it is at this stage.

Christ, I'm meant to be the panic merchant on here!

[GhostoftheBok]

I don't really get why Rhodes gets so much stick. He's scored goals for some pretty crap sides and he's been used as a scapegoat for the failings of other players. He's not some world class player, but he's no less a team player than someone like Alf.

I've no problem with a striker who is all about goals. If a luxury player scores goals for you, they're no longer a luxury player.

[TANGODANCER]

So, first friendly:

GK: Ben Alnwick,
RB: Mark Little, or Tony Kelly if he's not on holiday.
LB: Andrew Taylor,
CB: David Wheater, Mark Beevers, if both back from their "Sweet Caroline" tour of Northumberland.
DM: Jason Lowe,
AM: Oztumer, or Josh Vela, or Joe Pritchard or that big lad car-park attendant who can't speak English.
RW: Craig Noone
LW: Will Buckley
ST: Adam Le Fondre, Conor Hall or Mystery striker

Ben Amos and Jake Turner hav e said they can play in defence and we have two fat men with flags and a six foot pom-pom girl willing to don the shirt. Should be enough...

[bristol_Wanderer3]

I don't really get why Rhodes gets so much stick. He's scored goals for some pretty crap sides and he's been used as a scapegoat for the failings of other players. He's not some world class player, but he's no less a team player than someone like Alf.

I've no problem with a striker who is all about goals. If a luxury player scores goals for you, they're no longer a luxury player.

You have to have amazingly good players in defence and midfield these days to allow the likes of Rhodes to be a regular starter, and probably means playing with two up front. At Championship level he was most effective playing with Gestede at Blackburn. Since leaving there he has scored 14 in 72 games playing in expensively assembled teams.

From what I have seen of him, it isn't that he isn't a team player, it is that he isn't very good at other aspects of the game that doesn't involve scoring goals, and Parky isn't likely to abandon his need for an out ball even if we do sign some good creative players. Also, Rhodes isn't that great a finisher. Whenever I see him he misses a lot of easy chances. In tight games where there are only a few clear cut chances, that luxury can easily become a liability.

[bristol_Wanderer3]

In other news, we have found our reserve left back

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/june/j ... wanderers/

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't really get why Rhodes gets so much stick. He's scored goals for some pretty crap sides and he's been used as a scapegoat for the failings of other players. He's not some world class player, but he's no less a team player than someone like Alf.

I've no problem with a striker who is all about goals. If a luxury player scores goals for you, they're no longer a luxury player.

You have to have amazingly good players in defence and midfield these days to allow the likes of Rhodes to be a regular starter, and probably means playing with two up front. At Championship level he was most effective playing with Gestede at Blackburn. Since leaving there he has scored 14 in 72 games playing in expensively assembled teams.

From what I have seen of him, it isn't that he isn't a team player, it is that he isn't very good at other aspects of the game that doesn't involve scoring goals, and Parky isn't likely to abandon his need for an out ball even if we do sign some good creative players. Also, Rhodes isn't that great a finisher. Whenever I see him he misses a lot of easy chances. In tight games where there are only a few clear cut chances, that luxury can easily become a liability.

No more or less so than Le Fondre.

I want an all round striker, but we're unlikely to find one who can also score goals. Its why last season Madine was so good for us as he got goals and led the line for the most part, superbly. A rare breed. Purple patch or not, ideally we find someone like that. But everyone else wants that too.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

In other news, we have found our reserve left back

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/june/j ... wanderers/

Arguably the best signing so far. Good on you, Jimmy Pip.

[GhostoftheBok]

Rhodes is a player who doesn't fit into the squad we currently have, but if we add players he could be an asset. It's not his finishing ability that sets him apart at this level (or used to), it's his movement and positioning in and around the 18 yard box. He's scored goals in a two, but also as a lone striker. The times when he's done well have relied upon him being in teams that can play on the front foot and having midfield runners who can create and exploit space. Sides that were prepared to push up and press in a way we can't if we have Wheater and Beevers at the back.

So I do understand if people wouldn't want him, but I don't understand people thinking he'd not be a great signing if the team around him were suited to having that kind of striker. Stick him in sides that play on the counter or play intricate stuff around the box, as he has been at times recently, and he's a chocolate teapot. Stick him in a side that wants to step up and play incisive passes with runners around him and he'll score you goals.

[BWFC_Insane]

Rhodes is a player who doesn't fit into the squad we currently have, but if we add players he could be an asset. It's not his finishing ability that sets him apart at this level (or used to), it's his movement and positioning in and around the 18 yard box. He's scored goals in a two, but also as a lone striker. The times when he's done well have relied upon him being in teams that can play on the front foot and having midfield runners who can create and exploit space. Sides that were prepared to push up and press in a way we can't if we have Wheater and Beevers at the back.

So I do understand if people wouldn't want him, but I don't understand people thinking he'd not be a great signing if the team around him were suited to having that kind of striker. Stick him in sides that play on the counter or play intricate stuff around the box, as he has been at times recently, and he's a chocolate teapot. Stick him in a side that wants to step up and play incisive passes with runners around him and he'll score you goals.

Yep, from what I've seen of him he thrives off early balls and crosses. Something we're not good at.

[Peter Thompson]

Rhodes would be a useful asset if we could afford him - as he's better than we currently have IMO, but I doubt that we can afford him or other quality players without the promised new investment - which at this stage certainly looks unlikely and if it doesn't happen quickly will mean that we will probably struggle as we did last year.

Saying that at least the LB spot is sorted now that J Phillips has signed....