Elmander - "No obligation" to Bolton

[Tombwfc]

They would have given that answer based on lowered expectations due to his consistent piss poor performances.

I'd be absolutely amazed if he got to 15 this season. It would have been even more amazing if our record signing striker had managed it in any of the previous 2. He didn't. Hence the criticism.

But then what kind of answer is that?

"I'll stop giving him shit if he scores over 10 goals next season. Upon completion of this task, I'll then continue giving him shit for the fact that he didn't do it for the other two seasons."

[Lord Kangana]

No, its he's never reached expectations, so expectations were lowered, hey presto he has another half dozen good games and suddenly he's the bizniz. This conversation really belongs in the Saviour XI thread.

[Hoboh]

I just think that if we take this season the goals he's scored, could we replace those with another player within our budget?

We've struggled to find goalscorers who can get 10 or more a season in the past. I imagine it won't be easy.

I think when you compare Elmander to loads of even more expensive signings he doesn't stack up too badly.

What he's said is absolutely true he has no obligation. No more than we do to offer him a bumper deal.

To be honest I'd like to keep him but its got to the point where the tw*ts who booed the former manager, who moved to booing Taylor (and only really stopped because his high salary, big star replacement turned out to be, well, a bit shite), are now booing Elmander. Would you want to stay in Bolton where everytime you don't score a goal a game you're getting abuse from some fat uneducated tit in the stand?

Indeed, the likes of Doyle, Johnson, Jones, Tuncay etc. all cost big money and have scoring records around the same 1 in 5 that Elmander has. I am fairly sure people would be delighted if we had the chance to sign any of those for free at the end of this season.

I think if you'd have asked people at the start of the season, most would've said they have been happy with Elmander if he scored between 10-15 goals. Here we are, and the goalposts have moved.

Because they would be a punt for free not the mugging we got for Elmander!!!!!!

[BWFC_Insane]

No, its he's never reached expectations, so expectations were lowered, hey presto he has another half dozen good games and suddenly he's the bizniz. This conversation really belongs in the Saviour XI thread.

How many goals has he got this season?

If we forget the last couple of seasons for a second, under any estimation of any reasonable expectation, surely he's meeting them? Unless of course expectations were unreasonable.

Lets say Elmander ends up with 12 goals this season (has he got that already)?

And lets say Suarez who cost double (if not more than that) what Elmander cost, would 24 goals next season be a reasonable expectation?

[Harry Genshaw]

Given his performances we paid too much for him. Therefore his wages are too high. We'd like him to stay now he's shown a bit of form but he is entitled to leave on a Bosman if we don't offer him an increase on these wages. He doesn't deserve an increase imo so if he can get that elsewhere..let him go

[BWFC_Insane]

I just think that if we take this season the goals he's scored, could we replace those with another player within our budget?

We've struggled to find goalscorers who can get 10 or more a season in the past. I imagine it won't be easy.

I think when you compare Elmander to loads of even more expensive signings he doesn't stack up too badly.

What he's said is absolutely true he has no obligation. No more than we do to offer him a bumper deal.

To be honest I'd like to keep him but its got to the point where the tw*ts who booed the former manager, who moved to booing Taylor (and only really stopped because his high salary, big star replacement turned out to be, well, a bit shite), are now booing Elmander. Would you want to stay in Bolton where everytime you don't score a goal a game you're getting abuse from some fat uneducated tit in the stand?

Indeed, the likes of Doyle, Johnson, Jones, Tuncay etc. all cost big money and have scoring records around the same 1 in 5 that Elmander has. I am fairly sure people would be delighted if we had the chance to sign any of those for free at the end of this season.

I think if you'd have asked people at the start of the season, most would've said they have been happy with Elmander if he scored between 10-15 goals. Here we are, and the goalposts have moved.

Because they would be a punt for free not the mugging we got for Elmander!!!!!!

But we've paid that. Its irrelevant.

WHat Tom is saying is at the end of the season we could sign Elmander for "no transfer fee" and just a hefty wage to the player.

Same as Doyle, Johnson, Jones, Tuncay. Point he's making is folk will complain about doing that for Elmo but be very happy to pay the same money for other players who have cost a lot in their career and done about as much as Elmander has.

[Hoboh]

I just think that if we take this season the goals he's scored, could we replace those with another player within our budget?

We've struggled to find goalscorers who can get 10 or more a season in the past. I imagine it won't be easy.

I think when you compare Elmander to loads of even more expensive signings he doesn't stack up too badly.

What he's said is absolutely true he has no obligation. No more than we do to offer him a bumper deal.

To be honest I'd like to keep him but its got to the point where the tw*ts who booed the former manager, who moved to booing Taylor (and only really stopped because his high salary, big star replacement turned out to be, well, a bit shite), are now booing Elmander. Would you want to stay in Bolton where everytime you don't score a goal a game you're getting abuse from some fat uneducated tit in the stand?

Indeed, the likes of Doyle, Johnson, Jones, Tuncay etc. all cost big money and have scoring records around the same 1 in 5 that Elmander has. I am fairly sure people would be delighted if we had the chance to sign any of those for free at the end of this season.

I think if you'd have asked people at the start of the season, most would've said they have been happy with Elmander if he scored between 10-15 goals. Here we are, and the goalposts have moved.

Because they would be a punt for free not the mugging we got for Elmander!!!!!!

But we've paid that. Its irrelevant.

WHat Tom is saying is at the end of the season we could sign Elmander for "no transfer fee" and just a hefty wage to the player.

Same as Doyle, Johnson, Jones, Tuncay. Point he's making is folk will complain about doing that for Elmo but be very happy to pay the same money for other players who have cost a lot in their career and done about as much as Elmander has.

Difference is we know what Mandy is incapable of doing in our team

[hisroyalgingerness]

The shame in all this is that unfortunately the nature of football fandom will mean that we won't get the opportunity to win him over.

Picture this

Scenario 1
Elmander turns up and sees a ground full of adoring fans, chanting his name and passing on the love we know transforms him from soft sulk to Wolves-defence-beating powerhouse. Tear brought to Mandy's eye - "of course I'll stay, where's the pen??"

Scenario 2
Mongalongs begin by booing him for his disgraceful transfer outburst. form drops. More people begin to boo. "How dare he treat our club like this". Shrug of shoulders, off he goes in the summer to Turkey or some other outpost for a decent wedge of wage. We have effectively two strikers to bring in.

[Odelay]

I don't believe a word of this. I'll believe it when it comes from a reputable source.

[Lord Kangana]

Heinz?

Wahay etc.

[BWFC_Insane]

I just think that if we take this season the goals he's scored, could we replace those with another player within our budget?

We've struggled to find goalscorers who can get 10 or more a season in the past. I imagine it won't be easy.

I think when you compare Elmander to loads of even more expensive signings he doesn't stack up too badly.

What he's said is absolutely true he has no obligation. No more than we do to offer him a bumper deal.

To be honest I'd like to keep him but its got to the point where the tw*ts who booed the former manager, who moved to booing Taylor (and only really stopped because his high salary, big star replacement turned out to be, well, a bit shite), are now booing Elmander. Would you want to stay in Bolton where everytime you don't score a goal a game you're getting abuse from some fat uneducated tit in the stand?

Indeed, the likes of Doyle, Johnson, Jones, Tuncay etc. all cost big money and have scoring records around the same 1 in 5 that Elmander has. I am fairly sure people would be delighted if we had the chance to sign any of those for free at the end of this season.

I think if you'd have asked people at the start of the season, most would've said they have been happy with Elmander if he scored between 10-15 goals. Here we are, and the goalposts have moved.

Because they would be a punt for free not the mugging we got for Elmander!!!!!!

But we've paid that. Its irrelevant.

WHat Tom is saying is at the end of the season we could sign Elmander for "no transfer fee" and just a hefty wage to the player.

Same as Doyle, Johnson, Jones, Tuncay. Point he's making is folk will complain about doing that for Elmo but be very happy to pay the same money for other players who have cost a lot in their career and done about as much as Elmander has.

Difference is we know what Mandy is incapable of doing in our team

And chances are any player we brought in would be equally incapable of doing as much as Elmander is.

Its the shiny new player syndrome.

But even taking that out of it, we know what Davies is incapable of doing and he's getting worse, much worse than Elmander this season, so are you saying we need to flog Davies as well or at least replace him alongside Elmander. Going to be a very expensive summer if so. Hope Eddie doesn't mind Owen nicking his wallet!

[BWFC_Insane]

And one further point on this if folk are going to talk about his wages and what it would take to keep him.....

Lets reflect on what wages we must be paying two Owen Coyle free signings who are sitting on the bench game in game out and not displacing Elmander.

Klasnic and Petrov.

[Worthy4England]

No, its he's never reached expectations, so expectations were lowered, hey presto he has another half dozen good games and suddenly he's the bizniz. This conversation really belongs in the Saviour XI thread.

Lets say Elmander ends up with 12 goals this season (has he got that already)?

If Elmander got 12 this season, I think he'd be our joint highest scorer in a Prem season - alongside Davies and Nathan Blake. Not sure what "expectations" people had of him. The mighty Anelka only managed 11(?) in a full season.

I don't think the major problem with Elmander is this season, it's the two previous seasons. For me, the question is whether Coyle could motivate him over another 3 seasons to get 10-12 goals per season, or whether the "shine" that Elmander put down to "not being shouted at" has worn off some...

[hisroyalgingerness]

I don't believe a word of this. I'll believe it when it comes from a reputable source.

Marc Iles, the BEN correspondent has checked out the quotes and they're legit. But he's promising us some news tomorrow. I think we're meant to get excited

[irie Cee Bee]

I was expecting him to leave during the transfer window in January, but his performences nose dived recently which seems to have caused a few suitors to change their minds, hence no offers.

He must have been disappointed by that, as we no doubt were, since it was the best shot we had of recouping a little bit of the money we paid for him. He has now been shaunted out to right wing, much to his annoyance I guess based on the reported comments.

He wants more money so fair game...who doesn't. But he has to earn it. Scoring 20 goals this season might do it, otherwise... take the offer we made or leave if you can find someone who will pay you more...maybe in Qatar or Turkey (No disrespect but they will pay over market value for a player).

[Debo]

Decent strike against Ukraine tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlaslL-A ... r_embedded

[TANGODANCER]

Decent strike against Ukraine tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlaslL-A ... r_embedded

Reputations and transfer fees ( and youtube clips) are built on goals like that. Next attempt goes in row Z and the player isn't worth a carrot . That's football.

[Hoboh]

The shame in all this is that unfortunately the nature of football fandom will mean that we won't get the opportunity to win him over.Picture this

Scenario 1
Elmander turns up and sees a ground full of adoring fans, chanting his name and passing on the love we know transforms him from soft sulk to Wolves-defence-beating powerhouse. Tear brought to Mandy's eye - "of course I'll stay, where's the pen??"

Scenario 2
Mongalongs begin by booing him for his disgraceful transfer outburst. form drops. More people begin to boo. "How dare he treat our club like this". Shrug of shoulders, off he goes in the summer to Turkey or some other outpost for a decent wedge of wage. We have effectively two strikers to bring in.

I think thats "the shame he ain't going to win us over"

[elfil76]

Decent strike against Ukraine tonight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlaslL-A ... r_embedded

Reputations and transfer fees ( and youtube clips) are built on goals like that. Next attempt goes in row Z and the player isn't worth a carrot . That's football.

probably he shoots better with lesser crowd in the stands.

[Lofthouse Lower]

In that case why wasn't he dynamite under Megson?