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Should we get rid of Owen Coyle?

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Re: Time to go

Post by plymouth wanderer » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:32 pm

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Re: Time to go

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:32 pm

Whookam wrote:
m_taylor wrote: Were we not in a relegation situation last time and we end up with hwsnbn?

We are NOT going to end up with a big name manager! Simple. We are Bolton. A small club with limited funds (even in big debt according to a lot of folk) hence trying to buy cheap championship players.
We ended up with Megson because that's who Gartside wanted even before the interviews had begun.
So similar position now, who does Gartside like? Billy Davis ex of Derby? Chris Hughton (currently has a job)? Steve Maclaren is the only one I can think of who's recently been in work with Prem experience and might take it... even looks a bit like Megson!
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Re: Time to go

Post by truewhite15 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:33 pm

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Whookam wrote:
m_taylor wrote: Were we not in a relegation situation last time and we end up with hwsnbn?

We are NOT going to end up with a big name manager! Simple. We are Bolton. A small club with limited funds (even in big debt according to a lot of folk) hence trying to buy cheap championship players.
We ended up with Megson because that's who Gartside wanted even before the interviews had begun.
So similar position now, who does Gartside like? Billy Davis ex of Derby? Chris Hughton (currently has a job)? Steve Maclaren is the only one I can think of who's recently been in work with Prem experience and might take it... even looks a bit like Megson!
I can't see why Mark Hughes wouldn't take it. He took Fulham, who are pretty much at the same level as us.

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Re: Time to go

Post by m_taylor » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:34 pm

Whookam wrote:
m_taylor wrote: Were we not in a relegation situation last time and we end up with hwsnbn?

We are NOT going to end up with a big name manager! Simple. We are Bolton. A small club with limited funds (even in big debt according to a lot of folk) hence trying to buy cheap championship players.
We ended up with Megson because that's who Gartside wanted even before the interviews had begun.
Nothing to do with Money or anything else then? Gartside thought i will pay anything to get Gary Bloody Megson as he is the best manager. Come on?

Its all about money and size of club. Hughes left Fulham (a team in Europe and a good club that never look like going down) as its wasn't right for him. So for people to say that Gartside will find the money to get a big name to keep his premiership status is crap! MON left Villa as they were selling all there better players. Thats is how a club like Bolton create most money. Hence the sale of Al-Habsi. I believe one stipulation of Coyle coming to Bolton was that they kept hold of Cahill so whether Coyle was still in control of that this window wouldn't have surprised me.

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Re: Time to go

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:36 pm

Let's not forget Megson kept us up from this position!

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Re: Time to go

Post by Athers » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:37 pm

I honestly don't know

Part of me looks at the fact that we've not spent a penny for several transfer windows in a row and thinks its no surprise we're going backwards, but Swansea had ex-non leaguers in their team today and seemed like a hungry, well-coached & progressive unit compared to our lot, who have 1000s of PL games between them.

Sack Coyle now? It's potentially a depressing candidate list and those mentioning O'Neil and Hughes are living in a dreamworld. O'Neill needs something right for his wife and probably a top 8ish club, while Mark Hughes thinks (wrongly) that he's a top 6 manager. We'd be looking at the level below that or appoint an up-and-comer like Lee Clark at Huddersfield or Sean O'Driscoll, not sure about trusting the future of our club with those guys....

Not sure what level of loyalty our players have to Coyle and the impact of getting rid. They all famously love(d?) working for him but they probably don't when they see their careers going in the wrong direction. They'd probably be professional enough to work for another boss so the cost of sacking Coyle and his legion is a bigger issue, but we're 'only' looking at 9 months worth of time left on their contracts I suppose..

We have to give him the Stoke game for sure, there's then 13 days before the next fixture if something needs to be done...
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Re: Time to go

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:38 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Let's not forget Megson kept us up from this position!
with a squad that finished in Europe the season before...

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Re: Time to go

Post by Whookam » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:38 pm

m_taylor wrote:
Nothing to do with Money or anything else then? Gartside thought i will pay anything to get Gary Bloody Megson as he is the best manager. Come on?
That's actually how it happened.

We rejected Souness and Curbishley, both without clubs, in favour of Megson who cost us a million or so to take him from Leicester.

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Re: Time to go

Post by m_taylor » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:41 pm

Athers wrote:I honestly don't know

Part of me looks at the fact that we've not spent a penny for several transfer windows in a row and thinks its no surprise we're going backwards, but Swansea had ex-non leaguers in their team today and seemed like a hungry, well-coached & progressive unit compared to our lot, who have 1000s of PL games between them.

Sack Coyle now? It's potentially a depressing candidate list and those mentioning O'Neil and Hughes are living in a dreamworld. O'Neill needs something right for his wife and probably a top 8ish club, while Mark Hughes thinks (wrongly) that he's a top 6 manager. We'd be looking at the level below that or appoint an up-and-comer like Lee Clark at Huddersfield or Sean O'Driscoll, not sure about trusting the future of our club with those guys....

Not sure what level of loyalty our players have to Coyle and the impact of getting rid. They all famously love(d?) working for him but they probably don't when they see their careers going in the wrong direction. They'd probably be professional enough to work for another boss so the cost of sacking Coyle and his legion is a bigger issue, but we're 'only' looking at 9 months worth of time left on their contracts I suppose..

We have to give him the Stoke game for sure, there's then 13 days before the next fixture if something needs to be done...
:pray: Thank you someone else in this reality. We are not going to get a big name. The sooner people see this the better as you will only end up disappointed when a low league 1 manager takes over!

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Re: Time to go

Post by CAPSLOCK » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:42 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Let's not forget Megson kept us up from this position!
At the risk of the Welsh (failed) property developer sticking his beak in, Coyle kept us up from a dodgy spot, but good God, Megson left us with a better team than whoever would be taking over now

This team is worse than the one Lee left Megson with
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Re: Time to go

Post by officer_dibble » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:43 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Let's not forget Megson kept us up from this position!
Errrm we would of gone down though.

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Re: Time to go

Post by the-Bowtun-Warrior » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:46 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:mclaren

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no thanks
he's a coach. a resource we don't currently have and with half decent players can be quite useful.
i don't like what he represents but i can recognise he'd do a job.

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Re: Time to go

Post by CAPSLOCK » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:46 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Let's not forget Megson kept us up from this position!
with a squad that finished in Europe the season before...
Hey, stats man, what was our team in SL's last game?

Anyway, all irrelevant


Lets stick to where we're at

Would we have more chance of staying up if we got shut

That's the question
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Re: Time to go

Post by truewhite15 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:49 pm

CAPSLOCK wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Let's not forget Megson kept us up from this position!
with a squad that finished in Europe the season before...
Hey, stats man, what was our team in SL's last game?

Anyway, all irrelevant


Lets stick to where we're at

Would we have more chance of staying up if we got shut

That's the question
I think we would. I've never seen us more disorganised. Under Megson and Lee, we were just shit at what we did.

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Re: Time to go

Post by P.O.S. » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:53 pm

truewhite15 wrote:
CAPSLOCK wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Let's not forget Megson kept us up from this position!
with a squad that finished in Europe the season before...
Hey, stats man, what was our team in SL's last game?

Anyway, all irrelevant


Lets stick to where we're at

Would we have more chance of staying up if we got shut

That's the question
I think we would. I've never seen us more disorganised. Under Megson and Lee, we were just shit at what we did.

Even if we got in some utterly horrible task master of a coach whose sole purpose and passion in life was to organise a defence, how do you work with some of those players we have?

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Re: Time to go

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:56 pm

P.O.S. wrote:
truewhite15 wrote:
CAPSLOCK wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Let's not forget Megson kept us up from this position!
with a squad that finished in Europe the season before...
Hey, stats man, what was our team in SL's last game?

Anyway, all irrelevant


Lets stick to where we're at

Would we have more chance of staying up if we got shut

That's the question
I think we would. I've never seen us more disorganised. Under Megson and Lee, we were just shit at what we did.

Even if we got in some utterly horrible task master of a coach whose sole purpose and passion in life was to organise a defence, how do you work with some of those players we have?
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Re: Time to go

Post by plymouth wanderer » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:57 pm

we got no chance of getting sparky or MON

if we go for the old guard
mclaren
curbishley
souness


championship managers

poyet
grayson

both up and coming
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Re: Time to go

Post by P.O.S. » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:58 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:we got no chance of getting sparky or MON

if we go for the old guard
mclaren
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souness


championship managers

poyet
grayson

both up and coming

Both at teams and clubs with more going for them than us!

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Re: Time to go

Post by plymouth wanderer » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:59 pm

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Re: Time to go

Post by jimbo_bwfc » Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:00 pm

Wouldn't be arsed having Coyle as a manager with a proper backroom around him right now he's surrounded himself with jokers.

The amount of goals we concede due to a lack of concentration, organisation or bad movement is ridiciulous. Should have been sorted out months ago.

Coyle is not a good enough manager to lead us out of this in my opinion. He's great to have when things are going well, but crisis management is simply not his forte.

We need someone to come in, bollock these players and get them into shape and I'm not sure Coylie is the right man for that job.

Summer signings have so far not worked. Ngog needs time, Tuncay isn't even on the bench anymore(thrown his toys out of the pram?), Pratley is one of the worst midfielders we've ever had, Reo-Coker is decent but not good enough to carry a midfield on his lonesome, Kakuta is only bloody here till January and hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip, Eagles is as good as he was originally brought in to be- back-up and a spark off the bench, Mears got injured.

Coyle has had some rotten luck. But not enough to account for the amount of bad performances that continue to tot up. We've had about 4 acceptable league performances since Stoke in the Cup.

The only worrying thing is, who the hell replaces him? Not many options out there. If he'd leave London, the best one for me is Alan Curbishley. And looking at the next Blackburn manager odds as a guide, Walter Smith is quite high up, thought he'd retired but if he could be brought back for another crack at English management I wouldn't be against that appointment seeing as he has experience and wouldn't stand for the crap we're having put in now.
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