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[Worthy4England]

Who is this mythical manager who can guarantee a win with 10 men, a poor squad and no money?

Be careful what you wish for.

There comes a point where it might be a no lose gamble.

I thought we'd determined there wasn't much use in anyone listing any mythical managers for you each week, just so you can say "they won't come", "they wouldn't be better" etc. etc.

[BWFC_Insane]

Who is this mythical manager who can guarantee a win with 10 men, a poor squad and no money?

Be careful what you wish for.

And when we are in administration and bottom of league one the same excuses will still be being trotted out.

Coyle built this squad, still had use of all the players Megson acquired and let's not pretend he's had no money.

We have a 4M Coyle signing sat on the bench.

We have Petrov on 30K or whatever a week sat on the bench.

Alonso has been signed for a ridiculous fee based on what we've seen so far.

He's spent 3M on his mates from Burnley.

Coyle has only lost two significant players since he came in, Elmander and Taylor, and popular opinion on here was they were both shite. And Coyle has said he decided he could do better with the money he saved and received for them. His words not mine.

So given all of that what does it say that he can't even get these players to go at the same rate of PPG that Megson could?

Being able to defend set pieces does not hinge on spending, neither does the organisation and discipling within the squad.

[Lord Kangana]

Megson spent all the money on shite. Thats why we're in this mess. Our central midfield was a f*cking disgrace for all that money.

Lets not forget that it was Eddie Davies decision to only offer Elmander 1 year. Unless of course you're away with the fairies and believe that somehow Coyle is just being parsimonious.

It would also help if our left fullback wasn't the entire swatch booklet of shite. We might be able to play our free signing left winger more often then.

[Worthy4England]

Who is this mythical manager who can guarantee a win with 10 men, a poor squad and no money?

Be careful what you wish for.

And when we are in administration and bottom of league one the same excuses will still be being trotted out.

Coyle built this squad, still had use of all the players Megson acquired and let's not pretend he's had no money.

We have a 4M Coyle signing sat on the bench.

We have Petrov on 30K or whatever a week sat on the bench.

Alonso has been signed for a ridiculous fee based on what we've seen so far.

He's spent 3M on his mates from Burnley.

Coyle has only lost two significant players since he came in, Elmander and Taylor, and popular opinion on here was they were both shite. And Coyle has said he decided he could do better with the money he saved and received for them. His words not mine.

So given all of that what does it say that he can't even get these players to go at the same rate of PPG that Megson could?

Being able to defend set pieces does not hinge on spending, neither does the organisation and discipling within the squad.

Agree - all this be careful what you wish for, is rather like telling kids to worry about the bogyman, when you've invited the Moors Murderers to tea.

[BWFC_Insane]

Megson spent all the money on shite. Thats why we're in this mess. Our central midfield was a f*cking disgrace for all that money.

Lets not forget that it was Eddie Davies decision to only offer Elmander 1 year. Unless of course you're away with the fairies and believe that somehow Coyle is just being parsimonious.

It would also help if our left fullback wasn't the entire swatch booklet of shite. We might be able to play our free signing left winger more often then.

Ok but explain why Megson got us going at a point a game and with the same players plus significant additions Coyle isn't even managing that?

Why is that?

[Wandering Willy]

Who is this mythical manager who can guarantee a win with 10 men, a poor squad and no money?

Be careful what you wish for.

There comes a point where it might be a no lose gamble.

I thought we'd determined there wasn't much use in anyone listing any mythical managers for you each week, just so you can say "they won't come", "they wouldn't be better" etc. etc.

You can determine what you like.

Point still remains that we may have the best available in charge.

I don't recall saying anyone wouldn't come (unless obvious), but you can keep hiding behind that excuse if you wish.

There seems to be a lot of calls for "get rid" with little thought to the consequences or a decent successor. There's no such thing as a no lose gamble.

I'll repeat again - I am all for any change that improves the club. I'm of the mind that a change for change sake will be expensive and that money, if any, is best spent on the pitch. The problems we have are much deeper than managerial level yet there are those with a "Coyle Out" agenda who do not wish to see them.

Looking at yesterday - we would struggle there if we had our best available and chances are we'd get nothing. With 10 men, forget it - there are much better sides than us will lose there this season with eleven. Yet there are still those who eject Tiny Tears from the pram at every opportunity.

[thebish]

Never quite understood why every defeat is greeted by howls of blame. Blame the Chairman, blame the manager, blame anybody but get the bed-sheets out and light the torches, that'll do it.

hmmm.... but that's not really the case is it? it isn't a case of "every defeat" being moaned at - it's not that simple.. what is being moaned at is a PATTERN of defeat - the sheer relentless EVERY WEEK defeat... we can take defeat - we've had plenty of practice and it builds character - as long as we think there is a chance that it might get better...

what has prompted this (still relatively mild in the circumstances) negativity, is an erosion in faith that Coyle has the first clue how to instil any of the battle and fight you talk about into the team.

[Worthy4England]

Who is this mythical manager who can guarantee a win with 10 men, a poor squad and no money?

Be careful what you wish for.

There comes a point where it might be a no lose gamble.

I thought we'd determined there wasn't much use in anyone listing any mythical managers for you each week, just so you can say "they won't come", "they wouldn't be better" etc. etc.

You can determine what you like.

Point still remains that we may have the best available in charge.

And the point still remains that we may not.

As evidenced from the general lack of organisation on the pitch. (Regardless of how much they cost)

[BWFC_Insane]

Who is this mythical manager who can guarantee a win with 10 men, a poor squad and no money?

Be careful what you wish for.

There comes a point where it might be a no lose gamble.

I thought we'd determined there wasn't much use in anyone listing any mythical managers for you each week, just so you can say "they won't come", "they wouldn't be better" etc. etc.

You can determine what you like.

Point still remains that we may have the best available in charge.

I don't recall saying anyone wouldn't come (unless obvious), but you can keep hiding behind that excuse if you wish.

There seems to be a lot of calls for "get rid" with little thought to the consequences or a decent successor. There's no such thing as a no lose gamble.

I'll repeat again - I am all for any change that improves the club. I'm of the mind that a change for change sake will be expensive and that money, if any, is best spent on the pitch. The problems we have are much deeper than managerial level yet there are those with a "Coyle Out" agenda who do not wish to see them.

Looking at yesterday - we would struggle there if we had our best available and chances are we'd get nothing. With 10 men, forget it - there are much better sides than us will lose there this season with eleven. Yet there are still those who eject Tiny Tears from the pram at every opportunity.

As a club with relatively few resources what we need is a manager who will maximise those and get the best out of what we have.

There is a bloke like Curbishley sitting with nowt to do who has a history of doing just that. Been there done it and shown he's capable.

Coyle is showing he isn't capable right now. Hughes has also done similar, at Blackburn.

Even Bruce did that at Wigan.

Managers like Lambert and Rodgers are getting a lot more out of their squads with wage bills significantly smaller than ours, with squads that not one person on here would have swapped for ours come the end of August!

Let's not rewrite history and say anyone expected us to have 9 points from 14 games and that it's just all we could expect!

[TANGODANCER]

Let's not rewrite history and say anyone expected us to have 9 points from 14 games and that it's just all we could expect!

Aye, don't forget to include anyone expecting Holden or Lee to miss all season, Sean Davies never to be fit again, Alonso on a court charge, a new signing to be injured before playing a game, Sam Rickets out for months, the rest of our short-term injuries and playing those five games with ten men. Those facts, known at season start, might have put most off even if Jose Maurinho had been in charge.

[BWFC_Insane]

Let's not rewrite history and say anyone expected us to have 9 points from 14 games and that it's just all we could expect!

Aye, don't forget to include anyone expecting Holden or Lee to miss all season, Sean Davies never to be fit again, Alonso on a court charge, a new signing to be injured before playing a game, Sam Rickets out for months, the rest of our short-term injuries and playing those five games with ten men. Those facts, known at season start, might have put most off even if Jose Maurinho had been in charge.

Most of those facts were known end of August. And still nobody would have predicted this.

Had some bad luck with injuries. So did Sunderland last season, and entire team out and they still beat us....

[Lord Kangana]

Megson spent all the money on shite. Thats why we're in this mess. Our central midfield was a f*cking disgrace for all that money.

Lets not forget that it was Eddie Davies decision to only offer Elmander 1 year. Unless of course you're away with the fairies and believe that somehow Coyle is just being parsimonious.

It would also help if our left fullback wasn't the entire swatch booklet of shite. We might be able to play our free signing left winger more often then.

Ok but explain why Megson got us going at a point a game and with the same players plus significant additions Coyle isn't even managing that?

Why is that?

They're not the same players though are they? We've had to sell. Had to. One last time in case you missed it, had to. With an older squad and all that shite we've had left over, we had to sell the saleable assets (anyone who was offered for) and have only been able to replace with the cheapest available options, who in the main fit the remit of potential resale, ergo, inexperienced. And cheap.

[officer_dibble]

I think people are whinging because like me I bet a lot of them think they themselves could get more out of this squad of players, injury depleted as it is, than the current boss!

Its really looking like a no brainer to me at the moment...players aint playing for the manager, never likely too, who can we change - playing staff or manager - and fairs fair the manager has had a fair crack at shaping his own playing and comical backroom staff. The next move is obvious!

At the majority of clubs Coyle would have got the boot a long time ago - 16 defeats in 19! Even Steve Bruce has won more games at the Reebok since April! Steve fecking Bruce - who we'll no doubt all whinge about as a candidate!

[jmjhb]

Are people really saying Coyle is blameless for our horrendous disciplinary record? Unbelievable.

[Turkish Trotter]

I think people are whinging because like me I bet a lot of them think they themselves could get more out of this squad of players, injury depleted as it is, than the current boss!

Its really looking like a no brainer to me at the moment...players aint playing for the manager, never likely too, who can we change - playing staff or manager - and fairs fair the manager has had a fair crack at shaping his own playing and comical backroom staff. The next move is obvious!

At the majority of clubs Coyle would have got the boot a long time ago - 16 defeats in 19! Even Steve Bruce has won more games at the Reebok since April! Steve fecking Bruce - who we'll no doubt all whinge about as a candidate!

Agree with most of this.
you only need to read how easy it is on FIFA 12.
Yes the players are letting the manager down, but they are the managers choices.
Not only most clubs would have got rid of Coyle, we also have got rid of managers for less than this.
Worry is leaving it too late before the deed is done.

[CAPSLOCK]

I don't know who can do the job better than Coyle but i know he's not doing the job we need him to do

That's always been the point at which I've got shut of folk

[BWFC_Insane]

Megson spent all the money on shite. Thats why we're in this mess. Our central midfield was a f*cking disgrace for all that money.

Lets not forget that it was Eddie Davies decision to only offer Elmander 1 year. Unless of course you're away with the fairies and believe that somehow Coyle is just being parsimonious.

It would also help if our left fullback wasn't the entire swatch booklet of shite. We might be able to play our free signing left winger more often then.

Ok but explain why Megson got us going at a point a game and with the same players plus significant additions Coyle isn't even managing that?

Why is that?

They're not the same players though are they? We've had to sell. Had to. One last time in case you missed it, had to. With an older squad and all that shite we've had left over, we had to sell the saleable assets (anyone who was offered for) and have only been able to replace with the cheapest available options, who in the main fit the remit of potential resale, ergo, inexperienced. And cheap.

Can you tell us which players we have HAD to sell and how we are missing them?

Which key players are we missing?

And as for 'have to sell' we haven't sold Cahill, so it's a myth that we've sold any player we've had an offer for.

[Lord Kangana]

Its a myth we're bottom of the league then.

[Gary the Enfield]

Its a myth we're bottom of the league then.

Yes it is. Who told you that? We're next to the bottom.

[BWFC_Insane]

Its a myth we're bottom of the league then.

Go on indulge us, which of our top players has Coyle had to sell?