Marvin Sordell

[bobo the clown]

We're assuming that both Sordell and Tuncay play so well in training that it's a travesty they're not in the team.

If anybody thinks Sordell could play up front in his own more effectively than any of our 3 regular strikers, you're deluded.

It's obvious that Coyle has watched him and decided he's not ready to be chucked in.

It appears so but I'd rather we picked players who do well in matches even if they are slackin training.Your faith in Coyle's judgement is quite touchinggiven that most of his successful changes this season have been forced by injury. Can sordell and Tuncay really be less effective than what we have at present?

Having seen Tuncay's uselessness first hand, I can confirm that YES, I think he's even less effective than what we have at present.

Really ? When have you seen him given a proper chance, in his proper position ? At second hand will do, let alone first.

[thebish]

Do any of you Twitter users follow Sordell? If so has he had anything to say about his non appearance since signing?

I hope not!! we've seen what happened to Moo when he started tweeting against Coyle....

[thebish]

Can sordell and Tuncay really be less effective than what we have at present?

aye - they could... we have won 3 out of our last 5 games with "what we have at present"....

that said - I'd like to see Tuncay in the mix - cos (like Bobo) when I have seen him played in his proper position (ie - not out wide) - he hasn't seemed to do that much wrong and has looked energetic - and he is likely to be well rested and fresh and eager to impress...

am not AS vexed by sordell's non-appearance - I'm sure his turn will come...

[boltonboris]

We're assuming that both Sordell and Tuncay play so well in training that it's a travesty they're not in the team.

If anybody thinks Sordell could play up front in his own more effectively than any of our 3 regular strikers, you're deluded.

It's obvious that Coyle has watched him and decided he's not ready to be chucked in.

It appears so but I'd rather we picked players who do well in matches even if they are slackin training.Your faith in Coyle's judgement is quite touchinggiven that most of his successful changes this season have been forced by injury. Can sordell and Tuncay really be less effective than what we have at present?

Having seen Tuncay's uselessness first hand, I can confirm that YES, I think he's even less effective than what we have at present.

Really ? When have you seen him given a proper chance, in his proper position ? At second hand will do, let alone first.

So we should completely change the system and shape of the team to suit feckin' Tuncay??? I've heard it all now.

Because he won't do it up top and he's not a midfielder...

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the point being skirted is not whether Sordell should or shouldn't be playing. Its that spending 3M when you're in a relegation fight on a player that you don't believe "is ready" to make a big impact is quite risky, when you're not exactly flush with money.

Could/should that money have been invested in a player ready to make an impact to help us get points now?

[Worthy4England]

I think the point being skirted is not whether Sordell should or shouldn't be playing. Its that spending 3M when you're in a relegation fight on a player that you don't believe "is ready" to make a big impact is quite risky, when you're not exactly flush with money.

Could/should that money have been invested in a player ready to make an impact to help us get points now?

That's where I'm at with it. Sordell may or may not be the next great thing, but it seems to be fairly apparent that Coyle doesn't think he's ready to make much of an impact this season, otherwise why head into matches with Sordell + two other forwards on the bench (Klasnic and Davo generally) and when it comes down to it, keep using Klasnic and Davo. If Sordell is third of three possible subs, for him to get on, you have to replace our "one up top" twice, before he's got so much as a sniff.

There's been folk banging on about the injuries to Holden and Lee and how it'll be things like that, rather than anything managerial that'll send us down.

You could contend that Ryo was signed as a "Lee-alike" in January, but nothing seems to have been done to find additional cover for Holden. I don't hold with the thinking that "He thought he had Muamba as well". If he's have thought that, he'd have had Muamba on the pitch, not on the bench.

[boltonboris]

I think the point being skirted is not whether Sordell should or shouldn't be playing. Its that spending 3M when you're in a relegation fight on a player that you don't believe "is ready" to make a big impact is quite risky, when you're not exactly flush with money.

Could/should that money have been invested in a player ready to make an impact to help us get points now?

I thought the point being skirted was that people think Sordell should be playing.

[thebish]

So we should completely change the system and shape of the team to suit feckin' Tuncay??? I've heard it all now.

but we DID change the system yesterday, didn't we? one that might have easily suited Tuncay's game... and then we changed it to 4-4-2 to accommodate Klasnic...

[boltonboris]

I don't think Tuncay is as suited to playing in that role than any of the players we had on the pitch.

[thebish]

I don't think Tuncay is as suited to playing in that role than any of the players we had on the pitch.

maybe not - and I wouldn't go to the gallows over this - but he was fresh - he hadn't played 2 days ago and I don't think he is any worse than the players we had on show!

[BWFC_Insane]

Tuncay is a strange one. You'd have thought he'd have been ideally suited to the role Klasnic played at Wolves (striker dropping into midfield when we lose the ball).

He's experienced, proven to be effective in the premiership, works hard, has a good engine and plenty of ability on the ball.

You'd have thought he'd have been worth a try as a second deeper lying striker at some point, if only to find a way of maintaining shape but keeping more threat going forwards.

Strange.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

It should be noted that Pratley is useless and therefore having Tuncay play off the 1 up top is not going to weaken our midfield...particularly is he is willing to harry and track back; which he seems willing to do. He may not improve things, but worth a try over Pratley for at least a game or 2?

[officer_dibble]

Well our forwards are not scoring enough so system or personnel it has to be looked at.

That and the lack of another ball winner in midfield who might stop players running 70 yards unchallenged. Mark Davies is not a centre midfielder.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

Well our forwards are not scoring enough so system or personnel it has to be looked at.

That and the lack of another ball winner in midfield who might stop players running 70 yards unchallenged. Mark Davies is not a centre midfielder.

At last. not in a four or a five (though he gets away with it more in a five).
RM is his best/only position.

[boltonboris]

So Mark Davies can't play in a 4-4-2 and he can't play in a 4-5-1... Perhaps the lad's just a little overhyped.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

So Mark Davies can't play in a 4-4-2 and he can't play in a 4-5-1... Perhaps the lad's just a little overhyped.

At last. again.

[Tombwfc]

Mark Davies can play perfectly well in a 4-5-1, and has been one of our better players this season. That's why I have slightly less sympathy with Tuncay, as it's only the last couple of games where Davies has gone a bit shit. Also, I love Tuncay, but being the hard-done-by substitute seems to follow him around.

Sordell is just baffling. I don't understand how anyone could think that we could afford to buy someone in January who isn't going to play this season. Saying that though, he's not Tom Eaves. He's played the better part of 100 games in the Football League, and scored 8 in half a season for Watford this season. It's not that big of a step up.

[thebish]

Tuncay is a strange one. You'd have thought he'd have been ideally suited to the role Klasnic played at Wolves (striker dropping into midfield when we lose the ball).

He's experienced, proven to be effective in the premiership, works hard, has a good engine and plenty of ability on the ball.

You'd have thought he'd have been worth a try as a second deeper lying striker at some point, if only to find a way of maintaining shape but keeping more threat going forwards.

Strange.

I feel I should point out the fact that I agree!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Playing in deeper central midfield, Mark Davies is diligent but he really isn't a tackler. Out wide, he's too isolated and struggles to combine the attacking need to get involved with the defensive necessity to help his full-back. He's much better, the best we have, as the most attacking member of a three-man central midfield.

At the moment that role seems to belong to Pratley, who played the first half v Fulham and 82 minutes at Newcastle. That level of exposure when playing two games in three days indicates that unlike this site's armchair quarterbacks (including me), the manager doesn't appear to believe Tuncay can play that position, even when we're forced to play Mavies deeper due to the absence of Holden and Muamba.

In Easter extremis, Coyle still didn't trust Tuncay. There must be a reason for that. We'll have to guess in the absence of an explanation (understandable, considering it would presumably either be "He's not good enough" or "I don't like him", either of which would provoke howls of derision from the man-management experts).

In his absence, he's become the new Andranik Pele.

[BWFC_Insane]

Playing in deeper central midfield, Mark Davies is diligent but he really isn't a tackler. Out wide, he's too isolated and struggles to combine the attacking need to get involved with the defensive necessity to help his full-back. He's much better, the best we have, as the most attacking member of a three-man central midfield.

At the moment that role seems to belong to Pratley, who played the first half v Fulham and 82 minutes at Newcastle. That level of exposure when playing two games in three days indicates that unlike this site's armchair quarterbacks (including me), the manager doesn't appear to believe Tuncay can play that position, even when we're forced to play Mavies deeper due to the absence of Holden and Muamba.

In Easter extremis, Coyle still didn't trust Tuncay. There must be a reason for that. We'll have to guess in the absence of an explanation (understandable, considering it would presumably either be "He's not good enough" or "I don't like him", either of which would provoke howls of derision from the man-management experts).

In his absence, he's become the new Andranik Pele.

Yeah agreed, though I don't think there is anyone screaming for his inclusion ala Andranik.....just puzzlement over his complete and utter exclusion.

As you say there will be reasons.

Can see why a young lad isn't being picked. But an experienced head like Tuncay you can only imagine would add something. I suggest it probably means that for whatever reason his head is not in the right place, bit like Steinssons for 6 months or so during the breakdown of his marriage.