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Re: mark davies

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:03 am

boltonboris wrote:What if he has a shit season but scores the winner in the play-off final? What then?
He'll be up there with Fabien.

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Post by Bruno3 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:13 am

boltonboris wrote:What if he has a shit season but scores the winner in the play-off final? What then?

This is giving me a headache
Don't worry about it - if he has a shit season we won't be in the play-off final

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Re: mark davies

Post by ChrisC » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:15 am

Liverpool have activated a release clause now in Joe Allen's contract so the wheels are turning there. Only a matter of time now before Swansea come back or turn there attentions to somebody else.

Personally i think around 8 million is a good price but then again look at Jordan Henderson.. Was it something like 20 million?

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Re: mark davies

Post by truewhite15 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:28 am

Anywhere around £8-10M, then yeah, sell Sparky. Because that's the going rate for a young, English, ball-playing midfielder in the Championship. Were we still in the Premier League, then I'd be saying that could go up to about £15M. Any less than that, and we're being royally ripped off.

Odd thing is, some people would still have him bundled in the boot for far less than that...

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Re: mark davies

Post by Puskas » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:29 am

Well, the speculation in those two great Journals Of Record, the B[M]N and the South Wales Badgerfancier (or whatever), is that Swansea are going to up their bid to £6million.

Reputable Journalist/Scoundrel And Ne'er-Do-Well (delete as appropriate) Alan "Richard" Nixon reckons Coyle wants £10million for him, that Swansea have so far only offered £4million (not the five that Sky etc are reporting), and that there have, as yet, been no further bids.

There you go. I'm reading the Mark Davies stories so you don't have to.
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Re: mark davies

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:23 pm

I'd be happy with £6m from Swansea, if Coyle wants to sell him. I doubt they'd stretch to £8-10m.

Quite frankly, if he was someone else's player, I wouldn't either. Yes there's always the "Jordan Henderson's", but unless the bid's coming in from someone with lots of wedge and fcuk all sense, then I can't see us getting £8-£10m.

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Re: mark davies

Post by Adam Wilson » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:29 pm

I honestly reckon Davies is better than Jack Wilshere.... he'll be playing for a top four team in 2 years. So I reckon we should hold out for £10m

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Re: mark davies

Post by truewhite15 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:43 pm

Adam Wilson wrote:I honestly reckon Davies is better than Jack Wilshere.... he'll be playing for a top four team in 2 years. So I reckon we should hold out for £10m

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Re: mark davies

Post by Bruno3 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:46 pm

Swansea fans forum think Mark Davies is better than Joe Allem so would be delighted to sell JA to Liverpool for 15million and buy MD for 6million. An alternative line of thinking was that JA already fits Swansea's style of play so why don't Liverpool just buy MD?

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Re: mark davies

Post by Puskas » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:53 pm

Bruno3 wrote:Swansea fans forum think Mark Davies is better than Joe Allem so would be delighted to sell JA to Liverpool for 15million and buy MD for 6million. An alternative line of thinking was that JA already fits Swansea's style of play so why don't Liverpool just buy MD?
Well, this is another phenomenon. Fans underestimating their own players and assuming others are far better.

The sort of thinking that leads to "They've offered how much for Davies? I'll drive him there myself", etc.

Related to the belief that someone who's in the reserves, but never plays, will do better than anyone in the current first team. See for example, Andranik Teymourian.
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Re: mark davies

Post by CrazyHorse » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:58 pm

Adam Wilson wrote:I honestly reckon Davies is better than Jack Wilshere
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Re: mark davies

Post by Adam Wilson » Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:31 pm

Wilshere's over hyped imo. Vr good n everything but spends half his time diving in recklessly for balls he can't win. Suppose it didn't do Scholes too much harm

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:48 pm

Adam Wilson wrote:Wilshere's over hyped imo. Vr good n everything but spends half his time diving in recklessly for balls he can't win. Suppose it didn't do Scholes too much harm
As opposed to Davies spending half of his time doing the square root of feck all.......

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:08 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Adam Wilson wrote:Wilshere's over hyped imo. Vr good n everything but spends half his time diving in recklessly for balls he can't win. Suppose it didn't do Scholes too much harm
As opposed to Davies spending half of his time doing the square root of feck all.......
Must have been f*cking busy in the other half, considering he outpassed every single team-mate last season :wink:

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:41 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Adam Wilson wrote:Wilshere's over hyped imo. Vr good n everything but spends half his time diving in recklessly for balls he can't win. Suppose it didn't do Scholes too much harm
As opposed to Davies spending half of his time doing the square root of feck all.......
Must have been f*cking busy in the other half, considering he outpassed every single team-mate last season :wink:
To what effect though? The season before it was widely regarded that we completely fell apart when free transfer Holden was injured and Mark Davies had to step in.

I haven't seen any evidence that Mark Davies is a lynchpin of our midfield.

And infact using the stat app belonging to your magazine DSB and comparing the player influence attributed to Mark Davies for the last 6 or so games of last season with Holden from the last 6 games he played the season before is somewhat telling.

Sort of backsup my 'impression' that Mark Davies was not nearly as involved on many occasions as you would require from a central midfield player.
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Re: mark davies

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:44 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:I haven't seen any evidence that Mark Davies is a lynchpin of our midfield.
I've a feeling you're about to. ;)
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Re: mark davies

Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:46 pm

What did Nixon say then?
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:04 pm

Clearly we lost something post-Holden, because he combined tackling ability with creativity - something I've been hoping we remember when buying a defensive midfielder, rather than simply buying a wardrobe to park on the D.

Compare any player in a winning team (say, Holden) with one in a losing team (say, Mavies) and it'll come out in the winner's favour.

If you're arguing that Mavies was somehow useless despite making more passes than anyone else in white last term, I'm going to have to leave the discussion, because it's plainly madness.

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Re: mark davies

Post by Turkish Trotter » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:58 pm

Adam Wilson wrote:I honestly reckon Davies is better than Jack Wilshere.... he'll be playing for a top four team in 2 years. So I reckon we should hold out for £10m

:crazy: If he was better than Wilshere we'd want more than £10 million.
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Re: mark davies

Post by bobo the clown » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:40 pm

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Adam Wilson wrote:I honestly reckon Davies is better than Jack Wilshere
LOL
I like Mavies. He is our best link-up player, good on the ball, good with the dribble. Our best passer and brings other players in.

But he needs a strong player around him & needs not to be played where Coyle did last year. Otherwise we may as well sell him off.

He would suit the front of a diamond ... just behind the striker(s).


But anyone who truly believes his better than Wilshire ..... I despair. Unless you mean right now. Right this second ... while Wilshire is out injured. Then, you may have a point ... just ... maybe.
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