What do we do?

[LeverEnd]

No I wouldn't, because I think there's a long-term plan in place and that any manager who came in would also struggle, stuck with failing players on big wages and budgetary constraints. I know you think they are good enough to go up with the right man at the helm but I doubt it.
So I'd give him the season to prove himself, unless we are in freefall come March and look like we may go down.
We're not big enough to expect to be in the Premier League all the time, and I doubt there's a manager out there who would come to us good enough to turn things round to that extent this season.

[89bwfc89]

What do we do?

We let Freedman get on with his job while we sit back and enjoy the ride, however bumpy it may get from time to time

Why should any of us have faith in Freedman's ability as a manager? He has one of the lowest win percentages in the league and during our best run of results, we were very lucky to get as many points as we did. We've never played well under Freedman and he hasn't got the most out of the players, so why should we stick with him? He didn't do a particularly great job for Palace either, which is why many of their fans wanted him to be sacked before having a short good run.

If we beat Leeds, I guarantee there'll be a bunch of posters who come on here and make "I told you so" comments towards those who doubt Freedman. A win would be great, no doubt, but surely nobody actually believes that we're going up under Freedman? We're only going to stagnate and become an average Championship side if he stays with us in the long term because he's nowhere near good enough as a manager.

I don 't think he's saying we should, just that he's going nowhere so let's just see what happens. You may be right in the long run but there's no point keep going on about sacking him because it isn't going to happen for the foreseeable future.
You never know he might just turn results round, he's done it before with us and Palace. Doubt we'll be seeing much in the way of entertainment though, so if results don't improve significantly then he'll have to go. Exciting attacking football can mitigate results for a while, but Freedman won't have that luxury.

Fair enough, mate.

Just out of interest, if we did lose to Leeds and Derby, would you support Freedman being sacked? And if not, how many more poor results would it take?

The thing that worries me about this is though, and I know it's done to death, but who else is there out there at the minute who IS good enough to take us up and who would want to come to us?

[CAPSLOCK]

Just out of interest, if we did lose to Leeds and Derby, would you support Freedman being sacked? And if not, how many more poor results would it take?

No

I wouldn't sack Freedman before the middle of next season, regardless of results

[Hoboh]

Just out of interest, if we did lose to Leeds and Derby, would you support Freedman being sacked? And if not, how many more poor results would it take?

No

I wouldn't sack Freedman before the middle of next season, regardless of results

'Kin hell you've not sobered up yet!

[thebish]

What do we do?

We let Freedman get on with his job while we sit back and enjoy the ride, however bumpy it may get from time to time

Why should any of us have faith in Freedman's ability as a manager? He has one of the lowest win percentages in the league and during our best run of results, we were very lucky to get as many points as we did. We've never played well under Freedman and he hasn't got the most out of the players, so why should we stick with him?

well - you, for one, said you were not calling for his head - so you think we should stick with him, for now, no? in which case, answer your own question!

[Hoboh]

What do we do?

We let Freedman get on with his job while we sit back and enjoy the ride, however bumpy it may get from time to time

Why should any of us have faith in Freedman's ability as a manager? He has one of the lowest win percentages in the league and during our best run of results, we were very lucky to get as many points as we did. We've never played well under Freedman and he hasn't got the most out of the players, so why should we stick with him?

well - you, for one, said you were not calling for his head - so you think we should stick with him, for now, no? in which case, answer your own question!

I'm going for out!

[SmokinFrazier]

What do we do?

We let Freedman get on with his job while we sit back and enjoy the ride, however bumpy it may get from time to time

Why should any of us have faith in Freedman's ability as a manager? He has one of the lowest win percentages in the league and during our best run of results, we were very lucky to get as many points as we did. We've never played well under Freedman and he hasn't got the most out of the players, so why should we stick with him?

well - you, for one, said you were not calling for his head - so you think we should stick with him, for now, no? in which case, answer your own question!

Yeah, I'd give him another game or two and if we don't get a win, I think he should be sacked then. Assuming we lose to Leeds something like 3-0, he should be sacked or if we draw both home games, I'd get rid of him then too.

At some point, you have to realise that it's just not working. I don't think it will work under Freedman but whilst I see his sacking as inevitable, I'll only be actively calling for it after the next two games, unless we do well. If promotion is our goal, Freedman can't stay.

[BWFC_Insane]

Coyle had what a season and 10 games or so of absolute dross before he was given the bullet.

Freedman has had a poor start to this season but that amounts to what, 5 league games?

Previously at the end of last season we were on a fantastic run with our best home form in a couple of decades.

Like Caps I'd play the long game here and trust DF to sort out our club in the long run.

[SmokinFrazier]

Coyle at least gave us a reason to support him, because of his very good start for us, but even then, most would say he stayed too long. Just because one failure was given too long, why does that mean another failure should? Surely we should learn from our mistakes and act quickly this time?

Freedman delivered a good run for us but we were extremely fortunate during that period, and if we're being honest, how many times did we look like a genuinely good side last year? And even despite that good run, Freedman still has one of the lowest win percentages in the league, so it puts into perspective what he did before and since that 'good' period.

I said before the start of the year that we needed our performances to improve because whilst the results were good last year, we relied on far too much luck and you can't bank on reproducing that again. Our performances haven't improved this year, the only difference is that the luck has deserted us and we're now getting what we deserve.

[thebish]

What do we do?

We let Freedman get on with his job while we sit back and enjoy the ride, however bumpy it may get from time to time

Why should any of us have faith in Freedman's ability as a manager? He has one of the lowest win percentages in the league and during our best run of results, we were very lucky to get as many points as we did. We've never played well under Freedman and he hasn't got the most out of the players, so why should we stick with him?

well - you, for one, said you were not calling for his head - so you think we should stick with him, for now, no? in which case, answer your own question!

Yeah, I'd give him another game or two

so - in short - and to be brief - at the moment you are saying "stick with him"?

[plymouth wanderer]

Coyle at least gave us a reason to support him, because of his very good start for us, but even then, most would say he stayed too long. Just because one failure was given too long, why does that mean another failure should? Surely we should learn from our mistakes and act quickly this time?

Freedman delivered a good run for us but we were extremely fortunate during that period, and if we're being honest, how many times did we look like a genuinely good side last year? And even despite that good run, Freedman still has one of the lowest win percentages in the league, so it puts into perspective what he did before and since that 'good' period.

I said before the start of the year that we needed our performances to improve because whilst the results were good last year, we relied on far too much luck and you can't bank on reproducing that again. Our performances haven't improved this year, the only difference is that the luck has deserted us and we're now getting what we deserve.

SF, you ain't a double glazing salesmen by any chance are you?

[CAPSLOCK]

Just cos double glazing salesmen are cocks it doesn't mean that Frazier is a double glazing salesman

[plymouth wanderer]

Just cos double glazing salesmen are cocks it doesn't mean that Frazier is a double glazing salesman

Maybe one of them fundraising fvckers who try to lick your ass clean when your in town?

[LeverEnd]

Coyle at least gave us a reason to support him, because of his very good start for us, but even then, most would say he stayed too long. Just because one failure was given too long, why does that mean another failure should? Surely we should learn from our mistakes and act quickly this time?

Freedman delivered a good run for us but we were extremely fortunate during that period, and if we're being honest, how many times did we look like a genuinely good side last year? And even despite that good run, Freedman still has one of the lowest win percentages in the league, so it puts into perspective what he did before and since that 'good' period.

I said before the start of the year that we needed our performances to improve because whilst the results were good last year, we relied on far too much luck and you can't bank on reproducing that again. Our performances haven't improved this year, the only difference is that the luck has deserted us and we're now getting what we deserve.

So did Dougie for me with that run, flaws in style of play acknowledged. He turned a 2 year slump from a 2nd successive relegation battle to a promotion push and gave me some hope and excitement. Blackburn and Wolves didn't get that.
Now I was hoping he'd build on that and so far there's nothing to suggest he can, but it's also too early to say he definitely can't.

[SmokinFrazier]

Coyle at least gave us a reason to support him, because of his very good start for us, but even then, most would say he stayed too long. Just because one failure was given too long, why does that mean another failure should? Surely we should learn from our mistakes and act quickly this time?

Freedman delivered a good run for us but we were extremely fortunate during that period, and if we're being honest, how many times did we look like a genuinely good side last year? And even despite that good run, Freedman still has one of the lowest win percentages in the league, so it puts into perspective what he did before and since that 'good' period.

I said before the start of the year that we needed our performances to improve because whilst the results were good last year, we relied on far too much luck and you can't bank on reproducing that again. Our performances haven't improved this year, the only difference is that the luck has deserted us and we're now getting what we deserve.

So did Dougie for me with that run, flaws in style of play acknowledged. He turned a 2 year slump from a 2nd successive relegation battle to a promotion push and gave me some hope and excitement. Blackburn and Wolves didn't get that.
Now I was hoping he'd build on that and so far there's nothing to suggest he can, but it's also too early to say he definitely can't.

I disagree, I don't think that good run is enough of a reason to stick with him. It was an impressive run of results, there's no doubt about that, but the performances were pretty average in most of those games. In our best run, 5 wins on the trot, how many of those were we clearly the better side in? Brighton deserved to beat us, Barnsley outplayed us at times, Blackburn could easily have beaten us and Hull outplayed up for 80 minutes, so whilst the results were good, we can't forget how average we were at times. I know some people will roll their eyes at criticism of those games but the thing is, if we could reproduce that every single week and always get the same results, I wouldn't have an issue. It was scrappy, sure, but nobody on here is arsed about the type of football we play and if it wins, that's what counts. The point is that you need to play better than we did - even at our best - to get promoted because it simply wasn't good enough. You can, as last season showed, maintain a good run despite playing poorly but you can't maintain good results throughout the entire season whilst relying on good fortune so much.

It's more encouraging to play brilliant football and be really unlucky than it is to scrape a win. If you're playing well, things will even themselves out and you'll eventually get what you deserve but when you aren't playing well, it's possible to go on a lucky streak where everything goes your way, but I don't think you can rely on that to get promoted.

But look at the other results under Freedman. Overall, he only has a 35% win percentage, which is poor. I looked into this the other day and if I remember right, there are only 7 managers in the Championship who have a lower win percentage than Freedman does; Redknapp and Adkins are two, and that's because they were no-hopers in the Premier League, and three of the others have been in charge for less than 10 games each. Our away form is also terrible. We've only won 3 away games from 16 which, again, doesn't indicate we played well under Freedman and massively relied upon the crowd influence when we were at home.

Our good run under Freedman was full of good fortune and I don't think we played too well in many of those games. Our form before that run was poor and it's been poor since it ended. We are hopeless away from home...so what reason is there to be optimistic? I think Freedman getting sacked is inevitable and when it happens, he'll be looked at as a poor manager whose best achievement was a short period of matches when we got a few lucky results.

[BWFC_Insane]

We've only won 3 away games from 16 which, again, doesn't indicate we played well under Freedman and massively relied upon the crowd influence when we were at home.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Hull outplayed us for 80 minutes?

Was that the 80 minutes after they went three goals behind?

See, you may well have a point in there somewhere, but you don't help your own case when you act daft.

[BWFC_Insane]

I am hoping the crowd do their job against Leeds and Derby though.

Otherwise I think the crowd should boo itself.

Boooooo "Crowd out"

[Bruce Rioja]

Hull outplayed us for 80 minutes?

Was that the 80 minutes after they went three goals behind?

See, you may well have a point in there somewhere, but you don't help your own case when you act daft.

And a game in which we scored again two minutes after they had. I got as far as that line in SF's post, shook my head, re-read it and then just ignored the rest if that's the standard of it.

[Enoch]

I got as far as that line in SF's post, shook my head, re-read it and then just ignored the rest if that's the standard of it.

You still read them! Don't you know them by heart yet?