Holden on to nothing?

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:44 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:A match situation is completely different to anything you can simulate in training.
Knee injuries are notoriously difficult to recover from and sadly down the years there are plenty who like Holden haven't managed to return.

On two, non-contact go-downs in 25 minutes ?!?!?

What do you think they do in training .... play Ping-Pong ??? .... Ah, oh .... yeah, I get it now ...

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:02 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:A match situation is completely different to anything you can simulate in training.
Knee injuries are notoriously difficult to recover from and sadly down the years there are plenty who like Holden haven't managed to return.
On two, non-contact go-downs in 25 minutes ?!?!?

What do you think they do in training .... play Ping-Pong ??? .... Ah, oh .... yeah, I get it now ...

In training he probably mentally is more cautious when twisting and turning and putting pressure on that knee. In a match situation he just ends up going for it. Bottom line is whether it happens in training or matches the result is the same....

Riviman · Post by **Riviman** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:08 pm

adamworthy2002 wrote:They say he walked off down the tunnel, didn't he manage to walk off for the US after his last injury too?

Yes he did walk off, with his shirt over his face for most of the walk. He did acknowledge the crowd, who applauded him off.

Riviman · Post by **Riviman** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:10 pm

I wonder if tonight was a "do or die" type trial for him, he never, even from the start , looked comfortable.

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:13 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:A match situation is completely different to anything you can simulate in training.
Knee injuries are notoriously difficult to recover from and sadly down the years there are plenty who like Holden haven't managed to return.
On two, non-contact go-downs in 25 minutes ?!?!?

What do you think they do in training .... play Ping-Pong ??? .... Ah, oh .... yeah, I get it now ...
In training he probably mentally is more cautious when twisting and turning and putting pressure on that knee. In a match situation he just ends up going for it. Bottom line is whether it happens in training or matches the result is the same....

That's bllx Insane one .... of course a match is different, but they play matches in training. This is 25 minutes of a reserve game.

He wasn't ready.

It looks like he may never be.

It's truly, truly sad.

a1 · Post by a1 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:29 pm

its the third time though (now the fourth) that somethings happened.

was always gonna be potluck

Post by **DJBlu** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:04 pm

Nothing has been confirmed by the club yet the internet is full of stories he limped off etc.

"And that's the end of Holden's night. Good news is he was back on his feet and able to jog from the field."

BWFC Quote from the night.

I don't think we should jump to conclusions until we get the information from the club or from Stu himself.

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:46 pm

DJBlu wrote:Nothing has been confirmed by the club yet the internet is full of stories he limped off etc.

"And that's the end of Holden's night. Good news is he was back on his feet and able to jog from the field."

BWFC Quote from the night.

I don't think we should jump to conclusions until we get the information from the club or from Stu himself.

.... absolutely right.

I just hope I'm eating my words soon.

CarlosHernandez · Post by **CarlosHernandez** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:01 am

Hopefully this is a hamstring muscle strain, and not knee related. Although walking off doesn't really indicate either way.

In Australian professional football there would be 30 ACL knee injuries each year, and all are back playing within 12 months with no adverse affects on their physical performance. I know Holden had complications but it is so frustrating to see this ongoing saga. Maybe he should have come to Melbourne for his treatment.

Vertigo · Post by **Vertigo** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:44 am

Isn't this very similar to what happened when he last returned? Going down in discomfort, walking down the tunnel...

jaffka · Post by **jaffka** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:31 am

Reported on the BN now but still unknown if there is an injury or not.

It's certainly not good though being the same leg and him gripping around the knee area.

Dave Sutton's barnet · Post by **Dave Sutton's barnet** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:41 am

Are ligament injuries painful? Reports are that at first he was grasping his thigh...

Whereas I might be grasping at straws.

Good luck, Stu.

boltonboris · Post by **boltonboris** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:44 am

Ruptures hurt like hell and the pain isn't just centralised to the knee

Athers · Post by **Athers** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:29 am

My fear is that we have seen in the recent past both Wheater and Mark Davies attempt to play on only to find they'd done their ACL, so he may well have jogged down the tunnel but that doesn't mean it excludes the worst case scenario.

Let's wait for news but a quick reminder that we haven't been paying for him this year (USA have), but would have to next year.

Andy Waller · Post by **Andy Waller** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:41 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Are ligament injuries painful? Reports are that at first he was grasping his thigh...

Whereas I might be grasping at straws.

Good luck, Stu.

I've had an ACL strain (not a full tear) and a cartilage tear that I've had operated on recently.

The cartilage is fine but the ACL is so hard to treat as it's in the centre of the knee.

Mine still hurts like buggery during the day but the strength is getting back to it.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:48 am

Nixon saying it isn't good news. Last operation not a success apparently. No idea how he knows, but Iles seems to as well but is keeping quiet saying he expects the club to announce something today about it.

Normally I'd not suggest this but I wonder if the club could pay Stu to do his coaching badges and find a coaching role for him at the end of it? I normally hate just throwing ex players into that because we like em but for Stu his attitude and enthusiasm might work for him as a coach. And I think he needs to think of the future....

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:53 am

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Agreed Insane.

But really, the last operation wasn't a success ? So, oh ... I know ... let's test it out by chucking him into a game !!

I'm so glad we have this brilliant medical team these days.

Lord Kangana · Post by **Lord Kangana** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:54 am

Yeah, good to see things have radically changed in this bright new future.

Enoch · Post by **Enoch** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:19 pm

Yeah, lets use Stuart Holden's likely misfortune as a stick to beat someone with. Because we know all the details.

Lord Kangana · Post by **Lord Kangana** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:21 pm

I think you've just answered your own supposition. I hold out no great hope that you'll see it.

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