Now he's gone, who's next?

[Verbal]

Six years I've been a mod on here. I can't believe I've never thought of this before!

Oh you naughty boy

[Verbal]

There is less evidence that Ole Gunnar Solskjær (The dirty filthy Red)

does this REALLY make a difference to you? is it REALLY relevant??

I didn't type that! And it makes absolutely zero difference to me.

yes you did!!!

Crazy Horse was being OH SO SNEAKY

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[Abdoulaye's Twin]

There is less evidence that Ole Gunnar Solskjær (The dirty filthy Red)

does this REALLY make a difference to you? is it REALLY relevant??

I didn't type that! And it makes absolutely zero difference to me.

yes you did!!!

I can honestly say that I didn't!

[boltonboris]

So you just discard evidence that doesn't support your hypothesis?

It seems a large oversight, considering you gave Coyle as prima facie evidence of a gamble, and McCarthy as a sure thing.

Not really. Coyle was a gamble because he'd not been properly tested as a manager, he'd never had to deal with "a difficult spell", people questioning him etc.

He had a good record before, but it was limited.

We've all seen how thats worked out.

A manager like McCarthy, its all known, how he reacts to things, how he copes under pressure, his limitations, his strengths etc.

So less of a risk, because Eddie and Phil will know pretty much what they're getting and not getting.

Coyle had been a manager for what? 5 or 6 years before he came to us? Never having to deal with a difficult spell in 5 years or so in most folks mind would mean he was a good manager. We of course know now he isn't.

I'm struggling with this too, to be honest.

So what we're saying is that you have to go through a period of being shit at your job to be seen as being good at your job? Maybe we should've kept Owen after all!

[BWFC_Insane]

A manager like McCarthy, its all known, how he reacts to things, how he copes under pressure, his limitations, his strengths etc.

So less of a risk, because Eddie and Phil will know pretty much what they're getting and not getting.

I kind of understand - but I am sceptical that the gritty and determined no-nonsense McCarthy will be dead chuffed by the idea of an on-trial 9-month contract to see if he can get us promoted with a view to employing someone else when he does...

and if that's not the plan - I'm sceptical that Eddie D wants to give someone a 3yr contract with the knowledge that he will have to sack yet another manager next season and go through this whole shebang again..

and - if, as you say, they'd know what they were not getting - then they'd know they were not getting someone who anyone has any long-term confidence in (not even you) - and I amj sceptical that Eddie is looking for another short tenure or short-term fix - my guess is he is sick and tired of shelling out to sack failed managers...

all of that is guesswork, not FACT.

100% agree. And thats the downside.

And there's the balance between the risk and reward.

However, given the increase in premiership money next year, I'm sure his first priority is to get there.

However, you're right in that he probably wants someone who will eventually be poached by someone else and we'll get big compensation rather than shelling out loads to sack someone else.

Balancing act.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Whoever comes in will need to work fast. They're starting with a 10 game penalty.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Amused to note/realise/remember that Mick Mac's Wolves were above us when he got the hoik. Nice work CJG.

Not that I necessarily want him at BWFC, mind...

[CrazyHorse]

There is less evidence that Ole Gunnar Solskjær (The dirty filthy Red)

does this REALLY make a difference to you? is it REALLY relevant??

I didn't type that! And it makes absolutely zero difference to me.

yes you did!!!

Crazy Horse was being OH SO SNEAKY

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I've put it back now as I got caught by a colleague laughing to myself like a simpleton in the office.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

CrazyHorse (dirty filthy mod).

[Barefoot Wanderer]

OGS (which appears to be now what we're calling him and I don't approve) is a dirty filthy red. This is an important fact which requires further scrutiny before any decision is made.

so what he played for united - what's your f*cking point! (if you have one)

[Armchair Wanderer]

Might get an Ole tattoo on the way into town.

[Worthy4England]

Sorry, I'm still not getting this. The last 2 seasons before this Coyle performed better than Mcarthy at a similar sized club in the same division. Why exactly is he less of a gamble than a man who he was worse than? I need to understand how that logic works.

He's taken two clubs similar to ourselves up into the premiership.

He has therefore a track record for doing that.

We are 18th in the championship.

We need someone to take us up.

OGS could be the next Sammy Lee for all anyone knows.
With Mick you know he can achieve promotion (whether he can here is the test) with OGS you're almost taking a stab in the dark.

Not my money, so I'll let Eddie decide....

He could, but unlike Sammy Lee, he has some track record of success managing teams - albeit, in the case of Redshite Rezzies probably a better quality of player than most in the Rezzies league could stretch to. He also has track record at Molde. Sammy Lee had no record at all as a Manager...

[thebish]

OGS (which appears to be now what we're calling him and I don't approve) is a dirty filthy red. This is an important fact which requires further scrutiny before any decision is made.

so what he played for united - what's your f*cking point! (if you have one)

clam down!! clam down!!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Look there's far too much analysis going on here, which would be fine if we were on the interviewing panel, but we're not. Therefore I just let my prejudices flow freely, I'm comfortable with that. Like some, whose name I will not mention (but can be found giggling in the corner like a schoolgirl), I find it difficult to overcome my innate prejudice of all things ManU. I don't care about his record, he's pish. [until he gets appointed].

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Might get an Ole tattoo on the way into town.

[Worthy4England]

Oh dear. This thread needs locking.

[CrazyHorse]

OGS (which appears to be now what we're calling him and I don't approve) is a dirty filthy red. This is an important fact which requires further scrutiny before any decision is made.

so what he played for united - what's your f*cking point! (if you have one)

It was a lighthearted comment mate. If/when he comes in I'll immediately forget everything and get right behind him. The rights of hypocrisy and memory loss are a god given gift to all football fans.

But y'know the reasons for pointing out he's a red should be obvious. Well obvious to any self-respecting Bolton fan who doesn't have a secret soft spot for Man United.

[Beefheart]

OGS (which appears to be now what we're calling him and I don't approve) is a dirty filthy red. This is an important fact which requires further scrutiny before any decision is made.

so what he played for united - what's your f*cking point! (if you have one)

It was a lighthearted comment mate. If/when he comes in I'll immediately forget everything and get right behind him. The rights of hypocrisy and memory loss are a god given gift to all football fans.

But y'know the reasons for pointing out he's a red should be obvious. Well obvious to any self-respecting Bolton fan who doesn't have a secret soft spot for Man United.

Have to say, it wouldn't feel right to me. Unless we won every game, then obviously I wouldn't care.

[Tombwfc]

I think it's a bit disingenuous to compare Coyle and Mick's Championship records and come to the conclusion that 'Coyle has a better per season % of getting sides up'.

Coyle's Burnley finished 5th, seven points adrift of second place and four from third. It's an impressive achievement in it's own right, but the play-off's is a lottery at the best of times.

McCarthy's Sunderland and his Wolves side (both fairly recently relegated) stormed the league and won it at a canter with 90 points or more.

I don't think the two are that comparable. One required producing a side that was unquestionably the best in the division and proving it over 46 games, the other required finishing within the top six and then winning a short knock-out competition.

That's not saying Mick's the perfect candidate, nobody is, but I do think he'd be a reasonable pick. I'd be happy with him or OGS.

[Barefoot Wanderer]

I might be a rare breed of Bolton fans but I like man u - they do a lot for the game - look at the England players united have produced over the years, the youth and look at how many titles they've took off the scoucers (priceless) - you only support one club i believe but I always see how man u have gone after the bolton game on and hope city have lost

what have united ever done to bolton?

Fergusson used to be pally with BSA, and always had a good word for bolton. I honestly think some bolton fans should invite a more open minded approach to man u, they're a bloody good club!