Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:31 pm

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Bit parochial. It’s England, not Darien.
The issue is apparently League One, rather than England. Though if Steve Clarke gets sacked the views on playing levels may change, I suppose.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:37 am

Sounds like zero progress on transfers.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... r-targets/

It’s concerning that the most glaring and obvious problem in the squad the lack of any wing backs of required quality isn’t even being addressed by rumours or supposed targets that we can’t sign.

We absolutely must go four at the back as it’s clear we simply cannot bring in wing backs needed of suitable quality and have demonstrated that now season after season.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:02 am

It's interesting, given how brash people were on Friday - "Absolutely will get done" this week regarding at least one was the position then. Presumably Marc is working with Friday quotes from Evatt.

Maybe the loanee is closer than the main transfers?

We certainly do need wingbacks in and there's no sign at all we intend to mainly play a back four.

It's possible that Danny Armstrong is the player people were so confident about. "This week" might function with Killie's qualifier being on Thursday. Marc saying we expect someone in once their qualifier is done might fit there.

I'll live in hope of Danny Armstrong and Lino Sousa and pretend not to be disappointed when both end up in the Championship.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:38 am

A lot of people seemed to claim Evatt had said progress had been made on transfers yet I watched his interview and he did not.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by The_Gun » Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:20 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:37 am
Sounds like zero progress on transfers.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... r-targets/

It’s concerning that the most glaring and obvious problem in the squad the lack of any wing backs of required quality isn’t even being addressed by rumours or supposed targets that we can’t sign.

We absolutely must go four at the back as it’s clear we simply cannot bring in wing backs needed of suitable quality and have demonstrated that now season after season.
Armstrong is a wing back, no? And the reason for that one being held up are well documented.

I’d also assume that a loanee will take one of our wing back slots, and again, Evatt has been quite clear in why we can’t get those deals done at this stage of pre-season.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:47 pm

The_Gun wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:20 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:37 am
Sounds like zero progress on transfers.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... r-targets/

It’s concerning that the most glaring and obvious problem in the squad the lack of any wing backs of required quality isn’t even being addressed by rumours or supposed targets that we can’t sign.

We absolutely must go four at the back as it’s clear we simply cannot bring in wing backs needed of suitable quality and have demonstrated that now season after season.
Armstrong is a wing back, no? And the reason for that one being held up are well documented.

I’d also assume that a loanee will take one of our wing back slots, and again, Evatt has been quite clear in why we can’t get those deals done at this stage of pre-season.
I dunno - a wing back who hasn’t played a single game as a wing back in his career?

3 games as a left back. Rest in the front three or as a winger. Might work. Let’s hope he has huge amounts of raw pace and stamina because otherwise I fear it won’t.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by The_Gun » Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:34 pm

I thought I’d read that he’d played quite regularly last season as a wing back? Maybe I’m making that up.

On a different rumour, McAtee sounds like one that’s reasonably likely to happen, but I’m struggling to see the logic behind it. He’s a good player, but do we really need another striker? He’s also not that young, so paying seven figures would be a huge risk.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:08 pm

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I thought I’d read that he’d played quite regularly last season as a wing back? Maybe I’m making that up.
No, you're correct. He's played a lot of games at wing back.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Bertie Wooster » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:35 pm

We tried hard but we will not offer above our valuation, even if the selling club doesn't want to sell and values the player much higher - we will go with what we've got.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:53 pm

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We tried hard but we will not offer above our valuation, even if the selling club doesn't want to sell and values the player much higher - we will go with what we've got.
We might well get that line, to an extent; but we won't go with what we've got. There's over a month left in the window.

This is the first time I can remember that FV have actively leaked transfer activity and people at the club are certainly more chatty than usual on the topic, so there may well be an element of soothing the seething masses.

However, we cut the Randall deal dead when Posh made their position clear on the finances. The fact other interest is dragging on probably suggests we have a genuine chance - or genuinely believe we do.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by The_Gun » Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:05 pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:
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We tried hard but we will not offer above our valuation, even if the selling club doesn't want to sell and values the player much higher - we will go with what we've got.
Do you genuinely believe we will ‘go with what we’ve got’?

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Bertie Wooster » Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:03 pm

Panutche Camara ?

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:22 pm

Not the answer I expected…

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:39 pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:
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Panutche Camara ?
Would raise a lot of questions, that one.

I'd go as far as to say it'd be a bizarre signing, given how we intend to play and who we have the books at the minute. Plus the fact he's played about a dozen games in two years.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by sonicthewhite » Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:39 pm

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Panutche Camara ?
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Post by Prufrock » Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:23 pm

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:44 am

In case you missed it, the Camara rumour began because he posted a pic of himself in a BW top
I assume it's an old swap-top and he's just showing he's training, what with him being 'between clubs'

Couple of summers ago I'd've been delighted to sign him but we've moved on and he's really struggled

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Mar » Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:45 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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In case you missed it, the Camara rumour began because he posted a pic of himself in a BW top
I assume it's an old swap-top and he's just showing he's training, what with him being 'between clubs'

Couple of summers ago I'd've been delighted to sign him but we've moved on and he's really struggled
Sounds like a good prospect for a rehab signing. Give him a trial and see how it goes. Clearly happy to be seen in a Bolton shirt :D.

Sure we've moved on but we're likely to need a couple of backup players.

Easy to say he's struggled what with him being on Ipswich's books and loaned out to places far removed from a settled life style. Plymouth, Ipswich, Charlton, they're not exactly touching distance.

I suspect though that if we were to sign him, it'd be a case of him bench warming for the most part.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:12 pm

Mar wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:45 am
Sounds like a good prospect for a rehab signing. Give him a trial and see how it goes. Clearly happy to be seen in a Bolton shirt :D.

Sure we've moved on but we're likely to need a couple of backup players.

Easy to say he's struggled what with him being on Ipswich's books and loaned out to places far removed from a settled life style. Plymouth, Ipswich, Charlton, they're not exactly touching distance.

I suspect though that if we were to sign him, it'd be a case of him bench warming for the most part.
In the 21/22 season he looked the business - precisely the kind of tall, driving midfield combatant that has achieved an almost mythic status in absentia. Then he refused to sign a new contract - a tool he'd previously used at Crawley - but Plymouth triggered a year's extension anyway, enabling them to charge Ipswich £500,000 for his services.

I thought that was a decent price but the 2022/23 season - in which both his employers Ipswich and his old club Plymouth were automatically promoted - he struggled badly with a groin problem and only made one league appearance. Last summer, Ipswich loaned him to Charlton - who were at the time wisely recruiting and widely tipped for promotion - but again Pan played only in patches: three league games in August, four in October, five in February, none otherwise.

As someone born in Guinea-Bissau and brought up in Portugal who then found himself in Barnsley's youth team before battling up through non-league, I doubt he was too troubled by moves to promotion-chasing thirds-tier teams. That might make him perfectly happy to come to us, and if we got the player of 2021/22, it'd be worth it. But questions would remain.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Mar » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:49 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:12 pm
Mar wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:45 am
Sounds like a good prospect for a rehab signing. Give him a trial and see how it goes. Clearly happy to be seen in a Bolton shirt :D.

Sure we've moved on but we're likely to need a couple of backup players.

Easy to say he's struggled what with him being on Ipswich's books and loaned out to places far removed from a settled life style. Plymouth, Ipswich, Charlton, they're not exactly touching distance.

I suspect though that if we were to sign him, it'd be a case of him bench warming for the most part.
In the 21/22 season he looked the business - precisely the kind of tall, driving midfield combatant that has achieved an almost mythic status in absentia. Then he refused to sign a new contract - a tool he'd previously used at Crawley - but Plymouth triggered a year's extension anyway, enabling them to charge Ipswich £500,000 for his services.

I thought that was a decent price but the 2022/23 season - in which both his employers Ipswich and his old club Plymouth were automatically promoted - he struggled badly with a groin problem and only made one league appearance. Last summer, Ipswich loaned him to Charlton - who were at the time wisely recruiting and widely tipped for promotion - but again Pan played only in patches: three league games in August, four in October, five in February, none otherwise.

As someone born in Guinea-Bissau and brought up in Portugal who then found himself in Barnsley's youth team before battling up through non-league, I doubt he was too troubled by moves to promotion-chasing thirds-tier teams. That might make him perfectly happy to come to us, and if we got the player of 2021/22, it'd be worth it. But questions would remain.
The potential sell on value for him coming good would be the driving factor for signing him surely. We've seen what he's capable of, if we can repeat that then it'd be a tempting prospect for any suitor. Ipswich knew how good he could be and they were compiling players for the double promotion, so he's in good stead, but didn't work out.

Low wages, improved on a pay-as-you-play deal may work for both parties. Who knows.

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