Dougie Freedman - New Manager

[Hoboh]

we are i for a miserable season thanks to Gartsides inability to move fast when needed.

Gartside acted when there were still 36 games to play and we were 6 points off a play-off place and 10 points off an automatic promotion place.

There are now 29 games left and we are now 7 points off a play-off place and 13 points off an automatic promotion place.

You can only keep on blaming the previous management for so long.

Pedantic!
A new man should have had the whole summer to form his squad and at least make sure they were fit enough to hit the ground runing.

[BL3]

The squad is good enough. The rest is just excuses. He knew the players he was inheriting and he was happy enough with them.

[BWFC_Insane]

The squad is good enough may well be the case. It may also well not be.

Fact is that squad was in 18th place when he took over.

That is EITHER down to poor management prior to that, which BL3 you repeatedly claimed was NOT the case.

Or down to the squad not being good enough.

Can't have it both ways.

[Prufrock]

I honestly can't believe what I am reading! He has had four games. Four! The number between three and five. Four.

I have little doubt that, despite what Gartside said to the press, there were targets set. I'd be very surprised if automatic promotion was one, given how far we were off the pace already. I wouldn't be surprised if the play-offs was one. I still don't think there is any way he'll be sacked before this time next year, unless he looks like taking us down. We have a history of sticking by managers, perhaps too much so some would argue with regards to our last two. But yeah, I think play-offs this season is the target, and if we don't make it we will have failed. I think I MIGHT wait a little longer than four games (an unbeaten four games lets not forget) before slagging him off!

[Hoboh]

I honestly can't believe what I am reading! He has had four games. Four! The number between three and five. Four.

I have little doubt that, despite what Gartside said to the press, there were targets set. I'd be very surprised if automatic promotion was one, given how far we were off the pace already. I wouldn't be surprised if the play-offs was one. I still don't think there is any way he'll be sacked before this time next year, unless he looks like taking us down. We have a history of sticking by managers, perhaps too much so some would argue with regards to our last two. But yeah, I think play-offs this season is the target, and if we don't make it we will have failed. I think I MIGHT wait a little longer than four games (an unbeaten four games lets not forget) before slagging him off!

Whose knocking doogie I am merely saying that we cannot go on a run like we have in the last seven and fullfil Gartsides stated aims. Doogie has not got time to be p*ssing around with formations/player selection for long and we need 3 points on a more regular basis, I'm afraid he has to show his worth PDQ thats all.

[TANGODANCER]

If Jose Maurinho had been given four games to turn a losing team around, I doub't he'd have taken the job. I even doubt he'd have done much better than a win and three draws. Just saying.

[thebish]

If Jose Maurinho had been given four games to turn a losing team around, I doub't he'd have taken the job. I even doubt he'd have done much better than a win and three draws. Just saying.

that's about as long as any chelsea manager gets nowadays...

[Hoboh]

If Jose Maurinho had been given four games to turn a losing team around, I doub't he'd have taken the job. I even doubt he'd have done much better than a win and three draws. Just saying.

We cannot afford the 2 steps forward 1 step back and a bit inbetween to continue for long if we are to mount a serious challenge thats all.
BL3 is wrong there has been no improvement but the next couple of games have to set this in concrete, a progreesion that needs to be maintained and TBH he fecked up last time out, there is little room for error if we are to challenge this term.

[truewhite15]

we are i for a miserable season thanks to Gartsides inability to move fast when needed.

Gartside acted when there were still 36 games to play and we were 6 points off a play-off place and 10 points off an automatic promotion place.

There are now 29 games left and we are now 7 points off a play-off place and 13 points off an automatic promotion place.

You can only keep on blaming the previous management for so long.

Aye, we can only keep on blaming the previous management for so long. Try, until the end of the season. Coyle left us in a huge mess, in mental terms. Our players have a poor attitude, and some are not playing for the team. These are problems that are going to take longer than a month to resolve.

[TANGODANCER]

Some of the views are almost hysterical and smack of divine right again. In the land of "what might have been" we'd still be in the Premiership. We are'nt. We're in the bottom half of the Championship where 22 other teams all want the same thing. Freedman has a job on and guarantees don't come into it.

[Hoboh]

Some of the views are almost hysterical and smack of divine right again. In the land of "what might have been" we'd still be in the Premiership. We are'nt. We're in the bottom half of the Championship where 22 other teams all want the same thing. Freedman has a job on and guarantees don't come into it.

Like it or not Tango we live in a results based world now. Football fans are just like everyone else demanding delivery now not next week or next year, its the likes of murdick to blame.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Some of the views are almost hysterical and smack of divine right again. In the land of "what might have been" we'd still be in the Premiership. We are'nt. We're in the bottom half of the Championship where 22 other teams all want the same thing. Freedman has a job on and guarantees don't come into it.

Like it or not Tango we live in a results based world now. Football fans are just like everyone else demanding delivery now not next week or next year, its the likes of murdick to blame.

That was me, yesterday.

[Hoboh]

Some of the views are almost hysterical and smack of divine right again. In the land of "what might have been" we'd still be in the Premiership. We are'nt. We're in the bottom half of the Championship where 22 other teams all want the same thing. Freedman has a job on and guarantees don't come into it.

Like it or not Tango we live in a results based world now. Football fans are just like everyone else demanding delivery now not next week or next year, its the likes of murdick to blame.

That was me, yesterday.

We all do it, don't beat yourself up over it

[Enoch]

As a new member of this marvellous forum, it isn't taking long to sort the wheat from the chaff. As the new Manager, I imagine Freedman feels the same regard the first team setup.

Next time I log on here, I'm sure I'll see the same nonsense being pedaled and no doubt, when he turns up at Euxton tomorrow morning, Freedman will feel the same.

All I can do is amuse myself and enjoy the ride. Freedman has the power to change things and he will. However, the people he's working with have contracts, if individuals are unable, or unwilling to do what is required of them, he will manage them out of the club and replace them with folk he believes can do the job.

Two things he won't be doing are sitting on his hands, or turning water into wine!

[BL3]

Two things he won't be doing are sitting on his hands, or turning water into wine!

How about trying to force round pegs into square holes? Will he be persisting with that particular strategy?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Two things he won't be doing are sitting on his hands, or turning water into wine!

How about trying to force round pegs into square holes? Will he be persisting with that particular strategy tactic?

Tactics are short term, strategies are long term: his long term strategy is to gain promotion. One tactic he's tried is the old round pegs into square holes - he might use it again, or he might not.

[thebish]

All I can do is amuse myself and enjoy the ride.

keeping the other hand free for typing??

[Lost Leopard Spot]

All I can do is amuse myself and enjoy the ride.

keeping the other hand free for typing??

That was below the belt Bish.

[Prufrock]

Two things he won't be doing are sitting on his hands, or turning water into wine!

How about trying to force round pegs into square holes? Will he be persisting with that particular strategy?

Two simple questions:

You defended strongly Owen Coyle, who played square peg Mark Davies in the roung peg position of the right side of a midfield four repeatedly. Correct?

You have criticised Dougie Freedman for playing square peg David N'Gog in the round peg position of wide in the front 3 of a 4-3-3 once. Correct?

[boltonboris]

Two things he won't be doing are sitting on his hands, or turning water into wine!

How about trying to force round pegs into square holes? Will he be persisting with that particular strategy?

Two simple questions:

You defended strongly Owen Coyle, who played square peg Mark Davies in the roung peg position of the right side of a midfield four repeatedly. Correct?
You have criticised Dougie Freedman for playing square peg David N'Gog in the round peg position of wide in the front 3 of a 4-3-3 once. Correct?

You of all people Pru, should know that this is actually a decent tactic to use when you have overlapping full-backs. Steinsson wasn't being used (which he should've been), instead it was Mears who was too defensively minded.

So in effectm it was good on paper, but we didn't quite get it right.. But as you point out, he did this more than once.