Coyle - Time to go? [post-Everton]

[Gail Platz]

I love how it's one or the other on this forum, how people twist things into positives or negatives to support their views for Coyle in/out. Holden a fluke signing? Come on, give credit where credit's due, he would have been in a Burnley shirt if Coyle didn't come to us.

I'm probably the most anti-Megson poster on this forum but even I will say that him signing Cahill and Lee were two masterstrokes and not 'flukes'.

[Lord Kangana]

Context. Its a bit silly (nay faintly ridiculous) to suggest we couldn't trust Coyle with the funds. He's done a decent job with f*ck all. Megson signed some, some, decent players, but his hit ratio was piss poor. And more to the point, where is all the f*cking money that he had now?

[a1]

Context. Its a bit silly (nay faintly ridiculous) to suggest we couldn't trust Coyle with the funds. He's done a decent job with f*ck all. Megson signed some, some, decent players, but his hit ratio was piss poor. And more to the point, where is all the f*cking money that he had now?

coyle give it away in the form of free transfers ?

:/

[Lord Kangana]

Yeah.

But seriously, back on planet earth, is there anyone who hasn't lost their mind that ever thinks we'd have recouped more than a quarter of Elmader's fee?

So, if you've a mind to start thinking, surely the next question is, well if we had that money in the past, why haven't we got it now? And further, Sammy Lee had f*ck all, and lasted about 13 games, maybe theres something in this money business?

[a1]

Yeah.

But seriously, back on planet earth, is there anyone who hasn't lost their mind that ever thinks we'd have recouped more than a quarter of Elmader's fee?

So, if you've a mind to start thinking, surely the next question is, well if we had that money in the past, why haven't we got it now? And further, Sammy Lee had f*ck all, and lasted about 13 games, maybe theres something in this money business?

he's got them playing stupidball, and he's got to go. (might not be him, might be his mates , but he wont get shut if it is them , so..)

mccann on the wing looks fecking genius now.

[Lord Kangana]

It doesn't though does it, considering the embarrassment of riches he had, really?

[a1]

dunno , i'd SOS roy mcfarland if it means they'd play and line up correctly for saturday.

[William the White]

Interesting to see the slow progress of the tinters and hang on a bit bunch as the sack now bunch start to lose their early dominance...

Yesterday was dire - but we certainly competed first half even when Wheater was sent off...

West Brom was worse than yesterday because we had a full team on the pitch for 90 as opposed to 20 minutes...

The game before that we won 5-0... talk about short term memory loss...

Coyle, for me, put a lot in the bank last season... he's been robbed by injury of two fine players and lost others by the determination of one goal scorer to move (Coyle tried to get Elmander to sign a contract extension) and the other to return to a champions League club and start an England career as one of the most promising young strikers in the country.

Four key players gone, very, very difficult to replace...

I'm unhappy about the season, you bet, but not barmy enough to pretend that the fixture list didn't act like a kick in the bollocks and sap confidence in a major way, or that continued injury has not given Coyle huge problems, as it would any manager with a squad of the size and quality of ours.

We are not out of reach of recovery - 2 points to get out of a relegation spot, half a dozen for midtable and the vast majority of the season still to play... do we really need all this venom?

I'm worried, certainly, but none of the sack now bunch have got any idea who is going to replace the man they want out. Fanciful lists have us much solid conviction as fresh boiled jelly.

[Prufrock]

I'd go for Eddie Howe, purely for comedy value.

[BWFC_Insane]

Interesting to see the slow progress of the tinters and hang on a bit bunch as the sack now bunch start to lose their early dominance...

Yesterday was dire - but we certainly competed first half even when Wheater was sent off...

West Brom was worse than yesterday because we had a full team on the pitch for 90 as opposed to 20 minutes...

The game before that we won 5-0... talk about short term memory loss...

Coyle, for me, put a lot in the bank last season... he's been robbed by injury of two fine players and lost others by the determination of one goal scorer to move (Coyle tried to get Elmander to sign a contract extension) and the other to return to a champions League club and start an England career as one of the most promising young strikers in the country.

Four key players gone, very, very difficult to replace...

I'm unhappy about the season, you bet, but not barmy enough to pretend that the fixture list didn't act like a kick in the bollocks and sap confidence in a major way, or that continued injury has not given Coyle huge problems, as it would any manager with a squad of the size and quality of ours.

We are not out of reach of recovery - 2 points to get out of a relegation spot, half a dozen for midtable and the vast majority of the season still to play... do we really need all this venom?

I'm worried, certainly, but none of the sack now bunch have got any idea who is going to replace the man they want out. Fanciful lists have us much solid conviction as fresh boiled jelly.

You just sound deluded. Megson was sacked on a point a game.

I'd rip my right arm off to have 13 points right now.

There are always contributory factors and always, the old 'who will we get to replace him' argument.

Coyle has already had a lot more time than many before him would have got. He earned that but he's completely used up his time now, in most fans eyes, certainly going by what I hear at the game.

The 'venom' will go when we can have a team we can be proud of to watch, going out giving 100% each week, and when this horrid horrid blackest of black periods since April this year ends.

Oh for the days of lower mid table drudgery. Certainly that pisses all over this!

[Lord Kangana]

I'd rip my arm of for £30m right now.

Perhaps someone could come up with a points-per-£ ratio?

[Worthy4England]

I'm worried, certainly, but none of the sack now bunch have got any idea who is going to replace the man they want out. Fanciful lists have us much solid conviction as fresh boiled jelly.

Correct that none of the sack now bunch have any idea who is going to replace anyone.

Only Gartside would have any idea, I suspect, of who he'd ask.

Maybe on that basis we just lock the thread, along with the transfer thread and any other thread that dares to speculate.

We'll just stick to facts, so facts and facts alone WtW, none or your flowery speculation or opinion please.

[Wandering Willy]

WtW is spot on.

[William the White]

Interesting to see the slow progress of the tinters and hang on a bit bunch as the sack now bunch start to lose their early dominance...

Yesterday was dire - but we certainly competed first half even when Wheater was sent off...

West Brom was worse than yesterday because we had a full team on the pitch for 90 as opposed to 20 minutes...

The game before that we won 5-0... talk about short term memory loss...

Coyle, for me, put a lot in the bank last season... he's been robbed by injury of two fine players and lost others by the determination of one goal scorer to move (Coyle tried to get Elmander to sign a contract extension) and the other to return to a champions League club and start an England career as one of the most promising young strikers in the country.

Four key players gone, very, very difficult to replace...

I'm unhappy about the season, you bet, but not barmy enough to pretend that the fixture list didn't act like a kick in the bollocks and sap confidence in a major way, or that continued injury has not given Coyle huge problems, as it would any manager with a squad of the size and quality of ours.

We are not out of reach of recovery - 2 points to get out of a relegation spot, half a dozen for midtable and the vast majority of the season still to play... do we really need all this venom?

I'm worried, certainly, but none of the sack now bunch have got any idea who is going to replace the man they want out. Fanciful lists have us much solid conviction as fresh boiled jelly.

Coyle has already had a lot more time than many before him would have got. He earned that but he's completely used up his time now, in most fans eyes, certainly going by what I hear at the game.

But, problematically for this claim, not reflected by votes in this poll... I admit it's certainly easier to hear fury than contained and rational thought...

[Lord Kangana]

Ok, I'll pick up the gauntlet.

You're a stat man, whats the ppg of Coyle and Megson after a similar number of games (they must be quite close in terms of games played)?

[BWFC_Insane]

Interesting to see the slow progress of the tinters and hang on a bit bunch as the sack now bunch start to lose their early dominance...

Yesterday was dire - but we certainly competed first half even when Wheater was sent off...

West Brom was worse than yesterday because we had a full team on the pitch for 90 as opposed to 20 minutes...

The game before that we won 5-0... talk about short term memory loss...

Coyle, for me, put a lot in the bank last season... he's been robbed by injury of two fine players and lost others by the determination of one goal scorer to move (Coyle tried to get Elmander to sign a contract extension) and the other to return to a champions League club and start an England career as one of the most promising young strikers in the country.

Four key players gone, very, very difficult to replace...

I'm unhappy about the season, you bet, but not barmy enough to pretend that the fixture list didn't act like a kick in the bollocks and sap confidence in a major way, or that continued injury has not given Coyle huge problems, as it would any manager with a squad of the size and quality of ours.

We are not out of reach of recovery - 2 points to get out of a relegation spot, half a dozen for midtable and the vast majority of the season still to play... do we really need all this venom?

I'm worried, certainly, but none of the sack now bunch have got any idea who is going to replace the man they want out. Fanciful lists have us much solid conviction as fresh boiled jelly.

Coyle has already had a lot more time than many before him would have got. He earned that but he's completely used up his time now, in most fans eyes, certainly going by what I hear at the game.

But, problematically for this claim, not reflected by votes in this poll... I admit it's certainly easier to hear fury than contained and rational thought...

The sack immediately vote is winning.

And you know full well that if that vote is winning on here, it will be even more likely to win in a sample of fans departing the Reebok immediately after the game.

[Prufrock]

I'm not arsed whether he is better than Megson though. It was all about results for me then, and it still is now, and we are in the bottom three, and, crucially, we don't look like the manager has a plan to get us out of there. I think those players are good enough to stay in this league, and as much as I like him, I don't think that manager knows how to manage them so they do.

[William the White]

The sack immediately vote is winning.

And you know full well that if that vote is winning on here, it will be even more likely to win in a sample of fans departing the Reebok immediately after the game.

It isn't.

It's losing definitively - it has just over one third of the votes cast...

Difference between leading - by one vote (!) and claiming a majority for 'go now'...

Bit desperate, maddo?

[Lord Kangana]

I'm not arsed whether he is better than Megson though. It was all about results for me then, and it still is now, and we are in the bottom three, and, crucially, we don't look like the manager has a plan to get us out of there. I think those players are good enough to stay in this league, and as much as I like him, I don't think that manager knows how to manage them so they do.

I must admit to being a little disingenuous, but what I'm trying to establish is how different the position ot the club is to say 3 years ago. I think you'll find the £/points is substantially higher on the points side now. What we will require, should we have to rid ourselves of Coyle, is a man who is of a far, far greater ability than Gary Megson, and certainly better than Coyle.

And as a footnote, with the distance of time, should it all go tits up, it will be recorded that Megson spent our last dime on some dross. That will become more important as the abyss draws ever nearer.

[William the White]

I'm worried, certainly, but none of the sack now bunch have got any idea who is going to replace the man they want out. Fanciful lists have us much solid conviction as fresh boiled jelly.

Correct that none of the sack now bunch have any idea who is going to replace anyone.

Only Gartside would have any idea, I suspect, of who he'd ask.

Maybe on that basis we just lock the thread, along with the transfer thread and any other thread that dares to speculate.

We'll just stick to facts, so facts and facts alone WtW, none or your flowery speculation or opinion please.

I'm not really one for speculation - as my absence from the 'transfer' threads (most of the time) indicates... But I am, I confess, in favour of opinion (and who in their right mind is not in favour of flowers?).