Allardyce piece in the London Evening Standard

[BWFC_Insane]

I think it wouldn't stick in the craw (or indeed be such a one-dimensional argument) if the same cabal of posters who consistently berate Allardyce simultaneously defend Megson (for they are one and the same, and we are expanding the argument).

After all, its surely a better thing to be a fat headed egotistical arrogant cock and be good at football management, than be a fat headed, egotistical, arrogant cock, and be shit at football management. Especially, and for me this is a crucial, central point, when you're in football management. No?

But again, its not that anybody thinks Megson is anywhere close to Allardyce in terms of ability as a manager.

I don't think you'll find ANYONE to say they'd rather have Megson than Allardyce. NOT ONE.

I think you'll find when Caps and others including myself "defended" Megson to use your words it was to merely point out that he had kept us in the premiership and that the likelihood is that there wasn't another man capable of repeating what Allardyce did.

We can go back and forth over Megson etc and probably get nowhere, mainly because your position became so entrenched that you don't want to apply any reason to it. I certainly could see his massive faults, but also his good points. Which perhaps you didn't or wouldn't let yourself.

Perhaps I did the same with Coyle.

End result is that nowt is as black or as white in reality as it is portrayed on here.

Looks like I have forgotten, so remind me then please, what were his good points?

I'll pick a couple of non controversial ones, he signed Cahill and Lee.

And kept us in the prem when we looked fooked at several points.

Oh and Munich.....

[jaffka]

I think it wouldn't stick in the craw (or indeed be such a one-dimensional argument) if the same cabal of posters who consistently berate Allardyce simultaneously defend Megson (for they are one and the same, and we are expanding the argument).

After all, its surely a better thing to be a fat headed egotistical arrogant cock and be good at football management, than be a fat headed, egotistical, arrogant cock, and be shit at football management. Especially, and for me this is a crucial, central point, when you're in football management. No?

But again, its not that anybody thinks Megson is anywhere close to Allardyce in terms of ability as a manager.

I don't think you'll find ANYONE to say they'd rather have Megson than Allardyce. NOT ONE.

I think you'll find when Caps and others including myself "defended" Megson to use your words it was to merely point out that he had kept us in the premiership and that the likelihood is that there wasn't another man capable of repeating what Allardyce did.

We can go back and forth over Megson etc and probably get nowhere, mainly because your position became so entrenched that you don't want to apply any reason to it. I certainly could see his massive faults, but also his good points. Which perhaps you didn't or wouldn't let yourself.

Perhaps I did the same with Coyle.

End result is that nowt is as black or as white in reality as it is portrayed on here.

Looks like I have forgotten, so remind me then please, what were his good points?

I'll pick a couple of non controversial ones, he signed Cahill and Lee.

And kept us in the prem when we looked fooked at several points.

Oh and Munich.....

So nothing about his personality then?

[officer_dibble]

He got lucky in munich. He played Gerald Cid ffs!

[jaffka]

He got lucky in munich. He played Gerald Cid ffs!

We wont get a reply for a while as he will be working up to the vinegar stroke whilst wearing a ginger wig.

[BWFC_Insane]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

[jaffka]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Really?

I disagree, I think that a personality is essential on how people interact.

[plymouth wanderer]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Megson

Coyle

[BWFC_Insane]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Really?

I disagree, I think that a personality is essential on how people interact.

The fans perception of personality is irrelevant.

How they work and deal with players and issues is important.

[jaffka]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Really?

I disagree, I think that a personality is essential on how people interact.

The fans perception of personality is irrelevant.

How they work and deal with players and issues is important.

So personality is important then?

[thebish]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Really?

I disagree, I think that a personality is essential on how people interact.

The fans perception of personality is irrelevant.

How they work and deal with players and issues is important.

So personality is important then?

just BWFCi please...

[BWFC_Insane]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Really?

I disagree, I think that a personality is essential on how people interact.

The fans perception of personality is irrelevant.

How they work and deal with players and issues is important.

So personality is important then?

Define what you mean by personality.....

[jaffka]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Really?

I disagree, I think that a personality is essential on how people interact.

The fans perception of personality is irrelevant.

How they work and deal with players and issues is important.

So personality is important then?

Define what you mean by personality.....

Is personality important? answer the question.

[thebish]

Define what you mean by personality.....

I'm sure he means exactly what you meant when you used the word - The combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.

[jaffka]

Define what you mean by personality.....

I'm sure he means exactly what you meant when you used the word - The combination of characteristics or qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.

I do as well. Just getting him to admit it though is always nice.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'd say given that a whole variety of personality types have made good managers, there isn't much evidence that it is.

It very much depends on what you define as personality. Man management and group management skills are important. As are motivational abilities.

Do they count as personality? Not for me because they can be learned.

Personality is not a learned trait, its just how you are.

[jaffka]

I'd say given that a whole variety of personality types have made good managers, there isn't much evidence that it is.

It very much depends on what you define as personality. Man management and group management skills are important. As are motivational abilities.

Do they count as personality? Not for me because they can be learned.

Personality is not a learned trait, its just how you are.

So now what you are saying is that it is important how you interact with people but that is nothing to do with personality?

[midlands exile]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Really?

I disagree, I think that a personality is essential on how people interact.

The fans perception of personality is irrelevant.

How they work and deal with players and issues is important.

Absolute balls. No manager who alienates pretty much every "customer" (in footbiz speak, apologies) they have can expect to be judged a success. And it was that alienation turning into lower and lower gates, and such bad feeling in the crowds that were left, that forced gartside's trigger finger. Equally, "the people's man" OC tried the polar opposite it seems, of trotting out all the niceties, but not having a clue when it came to sorting out the football side of things. What's needed is balance.

[jaffka]

Do we leave this one as BWFCi outed for speaking more shite then?

[BWFC_Insane]

A managers personality is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Really?

I disagree, I think that a personality is essential on how people interact.

The fans perception of personality is irrelevant.

How they work and deal with players and issues is important.

Absolute balls. No manager who alienates pretty much every "customer" (in footbiz speak, apologies) they have can expect to be judged a success. And it was that alienation turning into lower and lower gates, and such bad feeling in the crowds that were left, that forced gartside's trigger finger. Equally, "the people's man" OC tried the polar opposite it seems, of trotting out all the niceties, but not having a clue when it came to sorting out the football side of things. What's needed is balance.

So in conclusion, personality is irrelevant it's results that count?

Glad we've sorted that out!

[Hoboh]

BWFCi is one of those types you pray to God aren't in a meeting one is attending!