Holden on to nothing?

Bijou Bob · Post by **Bijou Bob** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:14 pm

Career over and done with I suspect. Very sad but he has earned a small fortune out of the game and will be financially set up for life. I wish him well.

wigan white · Post by **wigan white** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:27 pm

Official site saying he's having a scan then going to the US to see the specialist who operated on him. Not looking good

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:30 pm

wigan white wrote:Official site saying he's having a scan then going to the US to see the specialist who operated on him. Not looking good

To SEE him, or to fckg tw@t him whilst asking, in an insistent manner, what the fck he did ????

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:33 pm

bobo the clown wrote:↑↑

Agreed Insane.

But really, the last operation wasn't a success ? So, oh ... I know ... let's test it out by chucking him into a game !!

I'm so glad we have this brilliant medical team these days.

I don't think they threw him in knowing the op was failed. I suspect he broke down and they discovered it. I mean no operation like this is guaranteed and I'm sure the surgeon warned him of the risks etc. Fact is when you had three ops on the same knee likelihood of further issues and complications just goes up and up.

wigan white · Post by **wigan white** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:41 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
wigan white wrote:Official site saying he's having a scan then going to the US to see the specialist who operated on him. Not looking good
To SEE him, or to fckg tw@t him whilst asking, in an insistent manner, what the fck he did ????

At the minute we don't know the extent of the injury but surely the surgeon/specialist should have been in consultation with both Holden and the club in deciding whether Holden was ready to play??? Its all really bizarre.

Athers · Post by **Athers** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:32 pm

As feared looks like a recurrance. Even his legendary work ethic and optimism must be frayed now.

Bijou Bob wrote:Career over and done with I suspect. Very sad but he has earned a small fortune out of the game and will be financially set up for life. I wish him well.

He'll have done well of course but if this is it he's only really had four years of a career on pro money. Plenty of course but perhaps not a full lifetime on the beach for his ridiculously hot girlfriend and himself?

He seems a popular character in the US so perhaps there's media work awaiting over there.

malcd1 · Post by **malcd1** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:19 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Nixon saying it isn't good news. Last operation not a success apparently. No idea how he knows, but Iles seems to as well but is keeping quiet saying he expects the club to announce something today about it.

Normally I'd not suggest this but I wonder if the club could pay Stu to do his coaching badges and find a coaching role for him at the end of it? I normally hate just throwing ex players into that because we like em but for Stu his attitude and enthusiasm might work for him as a coach. And I think he needs to think of the future....

Nixon said previous operation TOTAL success.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:34 pm

wigan white wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:
wigan white wrote:Official site saying he's having a scan then going to the US to see the specialist who operated on him. Not looking good
To SEE him, or to fckg tw@t him whilst asking, in an insistent manner, what the fck he did ????
At the minute we don't know the extent of the injury but surely the surgeon/specialist should have been in consultation with both Holden and the club in deciding whether Holden was ready to play??? Its all really bizarre.

Surgeon fixes injury as best he can. Monitors initial recovery. Beyond that what can he do? Only way to test if it will hold up to the rigours of professional sport is to play and hope it holds. What else can anyone do?

This isn't an injury that builds up. The ligament just goes. I suspect any surgeon will have told Holden there was a risk of recurrence as there is with any injury of this type and that risk increases with playing time.

As frustrating as it is I don't think blaming the surgeon or anyone else is accurate. Stu has had a terrible initial injury that then on comeback was damaged further through the screws moving, then on another comeback the ligament itself went again and now seemingly the ligament has gone again.

I feel for the lad desperately, but I don't think you can throw blame around really. Not without knowing. I suspect if anything the first op perhaps didn't work out too well and he's been fighting a losing battle ever since. But one of those things......

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:40 pm

I just fail to see that a person can have all that 'work', all that attention, all that preparation and he break down after 25 minutes. There has to be some lack of attention there.

Riviman · Post by **Riviman** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:46 pm

No one to blame, just unfortunately one of those things that happen in and out of sport. Don't forget he also suffered a broken leg in a pre world cup match, he must be as sick as the provebial parrot. As we all are for a young man who has had so many setbacks in a brief career.
Let's just hope for his sake he gets some good news when he sees his surgeon again. I honestly think that his career at the top end of a contact sport will come to an end sooner rather than later. Hope I'm so wrong.
Good luck Stu.

LeverEnd · Post by **LeverEnd** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:41 pm

BWFCI, I'm pretty sure that this injury is the right knee and the Evans injury and subsequent screw slippage was the left. That's even more worrying in a way, as it's looks like he may not have the capacity to physical recover from serious injury. Unlikely that both surgeries were a cockup.
Very disappointed for the guy.

jaffka · Post by **jaffka** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:22 pm

bobo the clown wrote:I just fail to see that a person can have all that 'work', all that attention, all that preparation and he break down after 25 minutes. There has to be some lack of attention there.

No surgeon will guarantee 100% success on complicated surgery. Probably not on straight forward surgery either.

I'm pretty sure that purely on a functioning role it would be fine. He is a top end athlete though and there is far more strain and pressure on muscles and joints, any weakness will of course be highlighted and at risk.

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:33 pm

jaffka wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:I just fail to see that a person can have all that 'work', all that attention, all that preparation and he break down after 25 minutes. There has to be some lack of attention there.
No surgeon will guarantee 100% success on complicated surgery. Probably not on straight forward surgery either.

I'm pretty sure that purely on a functioning role it would be fine. He is a top end athlete though and there is far more strain and pressure on muscles and joints, any weakness will of course be highlighted and at risk.

Which, Shirley to God, would have been spotted in assessment and, if not, then in training if it broke down within 25 minutes, without notable contact.

Training isn't just jogging about ... is it ??

However, the bottom line is that is wasn't spotted. I just find that amazing.

mummywhycantieatcrayons · Post by **mummywhycantieatcrayons** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:35 pm

There are no guarantees in this area - it must be very difficult to predict/model how certain injuries are going to respond.

I doubt it was down to anything resembling negligence.

leopold · Post by **leopold** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:49 pm

From Stu's twitter page an hour ago:

"The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."~Nelson Mandela

He's a very difficult person not to like

bobo the clown · Post by **bobo the clown** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:51 pm

leopold wrote:From Stu's twitter page an hour ago:
"The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."~Nelson Mandela

He's a very difficult person not to like

He is indeed. None of my incredulity at last night's injury should be taken as a criticism of the man. He's a fantastic character. I wish him nothing but well.

Prufrock · Post by **Prufrock** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:00 pm

It does seem very odd that it keeps recurring so soon after he starts playing competitive matches again. Those who were there, how did it happen? Was he under pressure at the time? It didn't sound like it was a particularly *intense* situation. Whilst I accept they can't replicate the individual and game-specific movements and stresses, you'd think if anything they'd be able to test all the movements more precisely and more strenuously?! I absolutely don't know what I'm talking about (!) but it just seems sus it's always so soon afterwards. Do they not tackle in training?!

Anyway, good luck to Stu, but if he's knacked again that's surely the end of the road with us.

BWFC_Insane · Post by **BWFC_Insane** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:01 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
jaffka wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:I just fail to see that a person can have all that 'work', all that attention, all that preparation and he break down after 25 minutes. There has to be some lack of attention there.
No surgeon will guarantee 100% success on complicated surgery. Probably not on straight forward surgery either.

I'm pretty sure that purely on a functioning role it would be fine. He is a top end athlete though and there is far more strain and pressure on muscles and joints, any weakness will of course be highlighted and at risk.
Which, Shirley to God, would have been spotted in assessment and, if not, then in training if it broke down within 25 minutes, without notable contact.

Training isn't just jogging about ... is it ??

However, the bottom line is that is wasn't spotted. I just find that amazing.

How can you 'spot' that a ligament will go in a certain situation?

boltonboris · Post by **boltonboris** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:15 pm

Imagine the difference in BWFCI's tone if this was 2 years ago?!?!

a1 · Post by a1 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:19 pm

boltonboris wrote:Imagine the difference in BWFCI's tone if this was 2 years ago?!?!

we lost at home again ??

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