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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:35 pm

OK, being a bit slow here...If we need a lefty on the left, why do we not need a righty, on the right? Is there some sort of cack-handers club going on and I've missed it?

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:55 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:35 pm
OK, being a bit slow here...If we need a lefty on the left, why do we not need a righty, on the right? Is there some sort of cack-handers club going on and I've missed it?
The new lad linked is right-footed, so it'd be a bit of dead discussion.

What we do need is a lefty set piece taker of real quality. If we're not signing Armstrong then McCowan becomes very valuable to us for that reason.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:31 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:55 pm
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Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:35 pm
OK, being a bit slow here...If we need a lefty on the left, why do we not need a righty, on the right? Is there some sort of cack-handers club going on and I've missed it?
The new lad linked is right-footed, so it'd be a bit of dead discussion.

What we do need is a lefty set piece taker of real quality. If we're not signing Armstrong then McCowan becomes very valuable to us for that reason.
Ok. Gotcha so in the context of set pieces...

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:48 pm

That's the one.

In other news - if our new friend shows up then we will have officially hit our registration cap of 22 outfield players over the age of 21.

We are still actively chasing multiple players over that age.

We can avoid registering Carlos until January, but that's only one spot and it's kicking the can down the road.

The overload in the squad is at centre back right now, with 7 there. However, our options of who to move on are limited. Jones would look like a natural one to shift, but he's injured. We could potentially loan Forrester. Iredale is one of our natural left footers.

It sounded like it might be the plan to loan Conway for 6 months and then maybe move Randell on in January, which would free space to register Carlos again.

Lots of spinning plates.

We want 3 more players if we get JOT in. We could end up in the weird position of having a fit senior player not registered and just playing in the cups.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by sonicthewhite » Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:54 pm

That's assuming that none of our players are waiting to leave dependant on who we get in?
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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by truewhite15 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 pm

Who do we think is on the "Exit Pending Entry" list, then assuming that CMG won't be registered until the new year? Which players are most at risk of dropping out of the squad due to being surplus, as opposed to being nicked by rivals or higher-leagued clubs?

Suspect that most of our "2nd choice" centre backs could be at risk of a loan out. Geth, Iredale, Forrester will all think they can get more regular time elsewhere.

Morley's plateauing form might mean he looks further afield to restart his previously-rapid ascent.

Dan Nlundulu may also be one in need of more game time if he's to fulfill the "next Ivan Toney" tag so derided by the fans.

Anyone else?

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:10 pm

Pete O'Rourke now confirming that we've agreed a deal for JOT.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:12 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:48 pm
That's the one.

In other news - if our new friend shows up then we will have officially hit our registration cap of 22 outfield players over the age of 21.

We are still actively chasing multiple players over that age.

We can avoid registering Carlos until January, but that's only one spot and it's kicking the can down the road.

The overload in the squad is at centre back right now, with 7 there. However, our options of who to move on are limited. Jones would look like a natural one to shift, but he's injured. We could potentially loan Forrester. Iredale is one of our natural left footers.

It sounded like it might be the plan to loan Conway for 6 months and then maybe move Randell on in January, which would free space to register Carlos again.

Lots of spinning plates.

We want 3 more players if we get JOT in. We could end up in the weird position of having a fit senior player not registered and just playing in the cups.
Would he even be eligible to play in the cups? Two of them are run by the EFL. The Sherpa Van is a bit cockamamie but would he be allowed to play in the League Cup?

On the same subject, don't forget Conway wouldn't take a space - although I think you're saying give him minutes elsewhere till Christmas to train him up ready to replace Randell. Have to say though, Randy isn't the first name I'd look to cross out.

Mind you, for the first time in a while, there does seem to be no natural "time to go" player. You could argue Gethin is our weakest centre-back of 7 and (if we sign JOT or Armstrong) our weakest RWB of 3, but he's also a nicely adaptable sub, a Good Bloke, a senior guide and the club's vice-captain. Iredale is a similar type, if less so, but has the rarity value of left-footedness.

Given all that, it does feel like Forrester is the one most likely to give way, but what sort of loan would we look at to develop a 23-year-old? He'd have to stay in this division, and I get the feeling the bit he's missing is not so much on-pitch minutes as being coached into a more Evatt-style player - that phrase "box defender" always felt slightly like damning with praise which, if not faint, was somewhat specific given our demands on centre-backs. (Af 5ft11 he'll never be aerially dominant, so he needs to be good on the ball and add more that way.)

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:18 pm

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Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:12 pm
Would he even be eligible to play in the cups? Two of them are run by the EFL. The Sherpa Van is a bit cockamamie but would he be allowed to play in the League Cup?

On the same subject, don't forget Conway wouldn't take a space - although I think you're saying give him minutes elsewhere till Christmas to train him up ready to replace Randell. Have to say though, Randy isn't the first name I'd look to cross out.

Mind you, for the first time in a while, there does seem to be no natural "time to go" player. You could argue Gethin is our weakest centre-back of 7 and (if we sign JOT or Armstrong) our weakest RWB of 3, but he's also a nicely adaptable sub, a Good Bloke, a senior guide and the club's vice-captain. Iredale is a similar type, if less so, but has the rarity value of left-footedness.

Given all that, it does feel like Forrester is the one most likely to give way, but what sort of loan would we look at to develop a 23-year-old? He'd have to stay in this division, and I get the feeling the bit he's missing is not so much on-pitch minutes as being coached into a more Evatt-style player - that phrase "box defender" always felt slightly like damning with praise which, if not faint, was somewhat specific given our demands on centre-backs. (Af 5ft11 he'll never be aerially dominant, so he needs to be good on the ball and add more that way.)
As far as I understand it the registration is purely for league games.

Evatt said in yesterday's interview that we'd probably look to loan Conway out for 6 months in "upper League Two or League One" with a view to him coming back and pushing for a "left back" spot in January.

If that's the case, regardless of whether we like Randell or not, that would seem to indicate his days are numbered here. We've replaced him as first choice with Schon...if Conway is the new pressure player then Mr Williams is sudden dead weight taking up a precious registration spot.

It's a ruthless game.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:21 pm

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Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 pm
Suspect that most of our "2nd choice" centre backs could be at risk of a loan out. Geth, Iredale, Forrester will all think they can get more regular time elsewhere.

Morley's plateauing form might mean he looks further afield to restart his previously-rapid ascent.

Dan Nlundulu may also be one in need of more game time if he's to fulfill the "next Ivan Toney" tag so derided by the fans.
Centre-backs I've mentioned in my last post. To be perfectly honest the one with the most to prove is Forino, but that'd be daft.

Morley is the most likely back-up for Sheehan – well, maybe Thomo is, but he's already in the team – and as someone posted the other day (sorry, I forget who) we're also quite shallow in that part of the squad. Beyond those three there's only really Dempsey and he doesn't feel like a natural 6. Even Khumbeni is overage.

Dan seems likeliest to me if we have Dion, Vic, Collins, Lolos, Arfield, potentially Williams (or Schön, whichever's not LWB) and maybe a new boy. That's a lot of competition. It would be a touch choice for Evatt, but he knows his own job isn't safe.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:22 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:18 pm
As far as I understand it the registration is purely for league games.

Evatt said in yesterday's interview that we'd probably look to loan Conway out for 6 months in "upper League Two or League One" with a view to him coming back and pushing for a "left back" spot in January.

If that's the case, regardless of whether we like Randell or not, that would seem to indicate his days are numbered here. We've replaced him as first choice with Schon...if Conway is the new pressure player then Mr Williams is sudden dead weight taking up a precious registration spot.

It's a ruthless game.
All fair. The point is for us to be as good as we can. Whatever it takes....

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:38 pm

truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 pm
Who do we think is on the "Exit Pending Entry" list
Our expiring players are:

Coleman (doesn't impact registration spots)
Baxter (ditto)
Gethin
Iredale
Santos
Randell
JDC
Sheehan

Potential loans:

Nlundulu
Forrester


Baxter, Iredale, Santos, JDC and Sheehan are likely to start against Orient. Geth is injured. Randell is staying for now.

I mean, it's genuinely not obvious what we'll do here.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by truewhite15 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:43 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:21 pm
truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 pm
Suspect that most of our "2nd choice" centre backs could be at risk of a loan out. Geth, Iredale, Forrester will all think they can get more regular time elsewhere.

Morley's plateauing form might mean he looks further afield to restart his previously-rapid ascent.

Dan Nlundulu may also be one in need of more game time if he's to fulfill the "next Ivan Toney" tag so derided by the fans.
Centre-backs I've mentioned in my last post. To be perfectly honest the one with the most to prove is Forino, but that'd be daft.

Morley is the most likely back-up for Sheehan – well, maybe Thomo is, but he's already in the team – and as someone posted the other day (sorry, I forget who) we're also quite shallow in that part of the squad. Beyond those three there's only really Dempsey and he doesn't feel like a natural 6. Even Khumbeni is overage.

Dan seems likeliest to me if we have Dion, Vic, Collins, Lolos, Arfield, potentially Williams (or Schön, whichever's not LWB) and maybe a new boy. That's a lot of competition. It would be a touch choice for Evatt, but he knows his own job isn't safe.
I think that was me, actually :lol:

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:47 pm

truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:43 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:21 pm
truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 pm
Morley's plateauing form might mean he looks further afield to restart his previously-rapid ascent.
Morley is the most likely back-up for Sheehan – well, maybe Thomo is, but he's already in the team – and as someone posted the other day (sorry, I forget who) we're also quite shallow in that part of the squad.
I think that was me, actually :lol:
:mrgreen: Well it's a good point :D

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:50 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:47 pm
truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:43 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:21 pm
truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 pm
Morley's plateauing form might mean he looks further afield to restart his previously-rapid ascent.
Morley is the most likely back-up for Sheehan – well, maybe Thomo is, but he's already in the team – and as someone posted the other day (sorry, I forget who) we're also quite shallow in that part of the squad.
I think that was me, actually :lol:
:mrgreen: Well it's a good point :D
Sheehan is looking like the point of failure, yeah.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by officer_dibble » Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:57 pm

Surely it’s Dan who we bin off? I’d pick Randell in a front 3 over him.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by truewhite15 » Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:00 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:47 pm
truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:43 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:21 pm
truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 pm
Morley's plateauing form might mean he looks further afield to restart his previously-rapid ascent.
Morley is the most likely back-up for Sheehan – well, maybe Thomo is, but he's already in the team – and as someone posted the other day (sorry, I forget who) we're also quite shallow in that part of the squad.
I think that was me, actually :lol:
:mrgreen: Well it's a good point :D
Thanks, I thought so too :mrgreen:

I mean, it's evident that we wouldn't be looking to offload a body in the 6/8 slot without replacements in. I'm surprised that we haven't been linked with more names in that position, given that it seems such an obvious point of potential failure to me.

I guess there's arguments to be made that there's utility in that position - Dempsey and Arfield could play deep if required, to supplement Tomo, Sheehan and first alternate Morley - but neither are particularly suited to that position. Maybe that's one of the places we'll be looking to the U21 loan market? I dunno.

I don't agree that we should be getting a 6 foot 7 bruiser, like other notable posters have often and at length cried out for, but if the Archbishop is indeed soon to be arriving, then it seems that centre midfield is suddenly our lightest-stocked area...

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:05 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:10 pm
Pete O'Rourke now confirming that we've agreed a deal for JOT.
A player of his age to have played so few games is a red flag. We’ve not had great success with these sorts historically.

Is he good enough to be worth the risk?

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:08 pm

truewhite15 wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:01 pm
Who do we think is on the "Exit Pending Entry" list, then assuming that CMG won't be registered until the new year? Which players are most at risk of dropping out of the squad due to being surplus, as opposed to being nicked by rivals or higher-leagued clubs?

Suspect that most of our "2nd choice" centre backs could be at risk of a loan out. Geth, Iredale, Forrester will all think they can get more regular time elsewhere.

Morley's plateauing form might mean he looks further afield to restart his previously-rapid ascent.

Dan Nlundulu may also be one in need of more game time if he's to fulfill the "next Ivan Toney" tag so derided by the fans.

Anyone else?
Will be amazed if Gethin or Iredale are to be sent away. Forester I rate but hard to see him playing too much.

Morley is cover. But if we were to sign a midfield player then maybe he could go.

Dan - last year of deal. Would be a hard one to find a taker for and likely be the end of his time here.

Coleman. I would assume.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:17 pm

Attack is currently where we are lightest.

We have two per position and additional cover everywhere except the 10 positions.

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