PLYMOUTH'S stupendously all singing dancing transfer thread!

[StaffsTrotter]

Sturridge is on record as saying he loved training at Bolton because all they ever did was 5-a-side and he never got to do that at Chelsea

funny how this is turning into a coyle v freedman debate

however even if it were true is 5 a side discredited as training method ?

there is this sturridge quote taken from the chelsea tv website

'I enjoyed my time at Bolton and I have a lot of love for the players and a lot of love for the manager especially, because he gave me the opportunities to showcase what I can do and I don't think I would be in the position I am in now without going to Bolton and without the manager there showing faith in me.'

Training under Coyle especially stays in the Sturridge memory.

'He is a funny character and not just Owen but his staff also, they get involved in training every day and you see the manager scoring goals and celebrating and throwing remarks about. He knows how to motivate a team and he knows how to motivate individuals.

'I can't speak highly enough of him and the way he likes to play his football. It is attacking and six or seven years ago everyone didn't like playing against Bolton because of the aggressive side, but he is trying to adapt that and bring players in who can play football.'

[chester white]

Sturridge is on record as saying he loved training at Bolton because all they ever did was 5-a-side and he never got to do that at Chelsea

funny how this is turning into a coyle v freedman debate

however even if it were true is 5 a side discredited as training method ?

there is this sturridge quote taken from the chelsea tv website

'I enjoyed my time at Bolton and I have a lot of love for the players and a lot of love for the manager especially, because he gave me the opportunities to showcase what I can do and I don't think I would be in the position I am in now without going to Bolton and without the manager there showing faith in me.'

Training under Coyle especially stays in the Sturridge memory.

'He is a funny character and not just Owen but his staff also, they get involved in training every day and you see the manager scoring goals and celebrating and throwing remarks about. He knows how to motivate a team and he knows how to motivate individuals.

'I can't speak highly enough of him and the way he likes to play his football. It is attacking and six or seven years ago everyone didn't like playing against Bolton because of the aggressive side, but he is trying to adapt that and bring players in who can play football.'

If it's a Coyle / Freedman debate on loan signings, it's not a fair one. Dress it up however people want, but as I said before Freedman is looking for players for the bottom half of the Championship (his own fault or not), and Coyle's succesful loans player are from a time when we were an established Premier League team.

The training / ping pong thing is probably exaggerated. But when you've got a reputation for
* Playing table tennis etc.
* Not working on structure/set plays
* Letting your Max Rushden / your 16 year old son join in with training sessions
* Playing lots of 5 a side and joining in yourself
* Not scouting opposition properly and focussing "on our own game"

you're leaving yourself open for criticism when things go wrong.

Before anyone starts, Freedman is far from perfect and as I have stated in other threads, I am beginning to lose the faith I had in him. Still hold the previous bloke a lot more culpable for where we are at the moment than him though, club "legend" or not.

[StaffsTrotter]

Sturridge is on record as saying he loved training at Bolton because all they ever did was 5-a-side and he never got to do that at Chelsea

funny how this is turning into a coyle v freedman debate

however even if it were true is 5 a side discredited as training method ?

there is this sturridge quote taken from the chelsea tv website

'I enjoyed my time at Bolton and I have a lot of love for the players and a lot of love for the manager especially, because he gave me the opportunities to showcase what I can do and I don't think I would be in the position I am in now without going to Bolton and without the manager there showing faith in me.'

Training under Coyle especially stays in the Sturridge memory.

'He is a funny character and not just Owen but his staff also, they get involved in training every day and you see the manager scoring goals and celebrating and throwing remarks about. He knows how to motivate a team and he knows how to motivate individuals.

'I can't speak highly enough of him and the way he likes to play his football. It is attacking and six or seven years ago everyone didn't like playing against Bolton because of the aggressive side, but he is trying to adapt that and bring players in who can play football.'

I don't really see it a Coyle/Freedman debate. And if it is, it's not a fair one. Dress it up however people want, but as I said before Freedman is looking for players for the bottom half of the Championship (his own fault or not), and Coyle's succesful loans player are from a time when we were an established Premier League team.

The training / ping pong thing is probably exaggerated. But when you've got a reputation for
* Playing table tennis etc.
* Not working on structure/set plays
* Letting your Max Rushden / your 16 year old son join in with training sessions
* Playing lots of 5 a side and joining in yourself
* Not scouting opposition properly and focussing "on our own game"

you're leaving yourself open for criticism when things go wrong.

Before anyone starts, Freedman is far from perfect and as I have stated in other threads, I am beginning to lose the faith I had in him. Still hold the previous bloke a lot more culpable for where we are at the moment than him though, club "legend" or not.

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

[chester white]

Sturridge is on record as saying he loved training at Bolton because all they ever did was 5-a-side and he never got to do that at Chelsea

funny how this is turning into a coyle v freedman debate

however even if it were true is 5 a side discredited as training method ?

there is this sturridge quote taken from the chelsea tv website

'I enjoyed my time at Bolton and I have a lot of love for the players and a lot of love for the manager especially, because he gave me the opportunities to showcase what I can do and I don't think I would be in the position I am in now without going to Bolton and without the manager there showing faith in me.'

Training under Coyle especially stays in the Sturridge memory.

'He is a funny character and not just Owen but his staff also, they get involved in training every day and you see the manager scoring goals and celebrating and throwing remarks about. He knows how to motivate a team and he knows how to motivate individuals.

'I can't speak highly enough of him and the way he likes to play his football. It is attacking and six or seven years ago everyone didn't like playing against Bolton because of the aggressive side, but he is trying to adapt that and bring players in who can play football.'

I don't really see it a Coyle/Freedman debate. And if it is, it's not a fair one. Dress it up however people want, but as I said before Freedman is looking for players for the bottom half of the Championship (his own fault or not), and Coyle's succesful loans player are from a time when we were an established Premier League team.

The training / ping pong thing is probably exaggerated. But when you've got a reputation for
* Playing table tennis etc.
* Not working on structure/set plays
* Letting your Max Rushden / your 16 year old son join in with training sessions
* Playing lots of 5 a side and joining in yourself
* Not scouting opposition properly and focussing "on our own game"

you're leaving yourself open for criticism when things go wrong.

Before anyone starts, Freedman is far from perfect and as I have stated in other threads, I am beginning to lose the faith I had in him. Still hold the previous bloke a lot more culpable for where we are at the moment than him though, club "legend" or not.

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

Coyle's two stand out loan signings were Sturridge and Wilshere. Kakuta, Weiss, Miyachi and Boyata were all gash. As Boris mentioned above, their reputations were well known before Coyle got involved. I doff my hat to him that he persuaded them to come, but I repeat it was for first team premier league football, not bottom half championship. We even ditched our own overpriced Elmander to the right wing during his only good spell for us to accommodate Sturridge!

There are so many more teams ahead of us in the queue for that sort of player now, because of where we are at positionally and financially.

[Wrighty92]

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

I agree with this... The fact that Nick Powell has gone to Coyle at Wigan and Butland to Barnsley shows that you can still get quality players on loan in the Championship. Billy Sharp is on loan at Reading as a back up too: he'd probs be starting for us if we'd got him. Macheda has been very good on loan at Doncaster and Jesse Lingard on fire at Birmingham too

[chester white]

Hang about, I've not seen anyone saying we can't loan players who would get in our team. We've done that ourselves with McNaughton and Dawson previously. If Nixon is to be believes we're still trying for a striker. But Sturridge and Wilshere were in different leagues reputation wise to the above. Do you think they'd have gone to a Championship club???

[BL3]

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

I agree with this... The fact that Nick Powell has gone to Coyle at Wigan and Butland to Barnsley shows that you can still get quality players on loan in the Championship. Billy Sharp is on loan at Reading as a back up too: he'd probs be starting for us if we'd got him. Macheda has been very good on loan at Doncaster and Jesse Lingard on fire at Birmingham too

Not to mention that we still have the option of bringing in one of Chelsea's youngsters...

[chester white]

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

I agree with this... The fact that Nick Powell has gone to Coyle at Wigan and Butland to Barnsley shows that you can still get quality players on loan in the Championship. Billy Sharp is on loan at Reading as a back up too: he'd probs be starting for us if we'd got him. Macheda has been very good on loan at Doncaster and Jesse Lingard on fire at Birmingham too

Not to mention that we still have the option of bringing in one of Chelsea's youngsters...

Yes, I'm sure we have the pick of any one of those we want. Actually, why isn't Lukaku here!? What's he doing at Everton!? Boooooo! Hissssssss! Freedman / Gartslime / Lofty out!

[BL3]

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

I agree with this... The fact that Nick Powell has gone to Coyle at Wigan and Butland to Barnsley shows that you can still get quality players on loan in the Championship. Billy Sharp is on loan at Reading as a back up too: he'd probs be starting for us if we'd got him. Macheda has been very good on loan at Doncaster and Jesse Lingard on fire at Birmingham too

Not to mention that we still have the option of bringing in one of Chelsea's youngsters...

Yes, I'm sure we have the pick of any one of those we want. Actually, why isn't Lukaku here!? What's he doing at Everton!? Boooooo! Hissssssss! Freedman / Gartslime / Lofty out!

Because he's not one of their youngsters. If you're going to join in, at least try not to consistently miss the point.

[chester white]

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

I agree with this... The fact that Nick Powell has gone to Coyle at Wigan and Butland to Barnsley shows that you can still get quality players on loan in the Championship. Billy Sharp is on loan at Reading as a back up too: he'd probs be starting for us if we'd got him. Macheda has been very good on loan at Doncaster and Jesse Lingard on fire at Birmingham too

Not to mention that we still have the option of bringing in one of Chelsea's youngsters...

Yes, I'm sure we have the pick of any one of those we want. Actually, why isn't Lukaku here!? What's he doing at Everton!? Boooooo! Hissssssss! Freedman / Gartslime / Lofty out!

Because he's not one of their youngsters. If you're going to join in, at least try not to consistently miss the point.

He's 20 and he's "theirs". What point am I actually missing?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Just when you think it can't get any more shit, it gets even more tedious again

[thebish]

^ at times like this I find the "mark all posts read" to be a very useful forum feature...

[boltonboris]

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

I agree with this... The fact that Nick Powell has gone to Coyle at Wigan and Butland to Barnsley shows that you can still get quality players on loan in the Championship. Billy Sharp is on loan at Reading as a back up too: he'd probs be starting for us if we'd got him. Macheda has been very good on loan at Doncaster and Jesse Lingard on fire at Birmingham too

Not to mention that we still have the option of bringing in one of Chelsea's youngsters...

We were given a list of players to choose from. Dougie reckoned none of them would make the grade, even at BWFC, so decided, quite rightly, not to pursue it until the right one came along

[BL3]

I really don't get this lowering of expectations - that way lies Div 3. At the start of this season we were favourites to go up, had just missed out on play offs etc, had a good squad on paper, still had PL payments, have fantastic facilities. Surely theres enough material there to sell the club to a fringe or bright young PL player, if we were so inclined

I agree with this... The fact that Nick Powell has gone to Coyle at Wigan and Butland to Barnsley shows that you can still get quality players on loan in the Championship. Billy Sharp is on loan at Reading as a back up too: he'd probs be starting for us if we'd got him. Macheda has been very good on loan at Doncaster and Jesse Lingard on fire at Birmingham too

Not to mention that we still have the option of bringing in one of Chelsea's youngsters...

We were given a list of players to choose from. Dougie reckoned none of them would make the grade, even at BWFC, so decided, quite rightly, not to pursue it until the right one came along

When was he given the list? Because one of these players, Todd Kane, a right back, has played in every game for Blackburn this season. Dougie chose to play a centre half from Blackpool, on sizeable wages, in that position.

[boltonboris]

At the start of the season AFTER he'd signed the defender (that he'd signed to play right back) on sizeable wages.

[bobo the clown]

When was he given the list? Because one of these players, Todd Kane, a right back, has played in every game for Blackburn this season. Dougie chose to play a centre half from Blackpool, on sizeable wages, in that position.

But he brought him over, emphatically, as a right-back. He made that very plain and has held to it (save for moving him to left-back due to the Tierney injury).

I don't mind giving DF a hard time, and he gives us plenty of opportunities. We don't need to be making them up.

[BL3]

At the start of the season AFTER he'd signed the defender (that he'd signed to play right back) on sizeable wages.

So even though Blackburn initially took him on loan at the back end of last season, no one told Dougie he was available until the start of this season?

[BL3]

But he brought him over, emphatically, as a right-back. He made that very plain and has held to it (save for moving him to left-back due to the Tierney injury). I don't mind giving DF a hard time, and he gives us plenty of opportunities. We don't need to be making them up.

If Dougie thinks he's a right back, i'd say that's even more reason to question his judgement.

[StaffsTrotter]

But he brought him over, emphatically, as a right-back. He made that very plain and has held to it (save for moving him to left-back due to the Tierney injury). I don't mind giving DF a hard time, and he gives us plenty of opportunities. We don't need to be making them up.

If Dougie thinks he's a right back, i'd say that's even more reason to question his judgement.

to be fair in his career he seems to have played all across the back but majority at CB

I'm more bamboozled by how crap he's been for us when I look at comments like this

Blackpool manager Ian Holloway expressed his belief that Baptiste can play in the Premier League: "Baps has played at left-back, right-back and centre-back and he has been different class. I believe he can play in the Premiership and I have told him that. I am working on the areas that he needs working on, but as a defender I don't think I have had a better one and I am delighted he has signed.

[StaffsTrotter]

At the start of the season AFTER he'd signed the defender (that he'd signed to play right back) on sizeable wages.

how do you know detailed stuff like this boris- do you work at the club ?