Spotty's Seriously Sub-standard Second Rate Transfer Thread.

[BWFC_Insane]

Whilst agreeing that the money for Afobe is silly, I can understand why he was sought after.

He scored (if Wiki is right) 22 in 46 for Wolves. Not bad at all, nearly 1 in 2 over a decent number of games.

He's a big lad with pace who can lead the line or play with someone. At the very worst Bournemouth were getting a lad to lead the line.

Clough on the other hand, hasn't played all that many games, his scoring record is good over a relatively small sample period but if you want to buy him he needs to play off a striker. Immediately that probably rules out plenty not looking for that sort of player or those who play a system that doesn't accomodate him.

He's a good player but has had injuries, perhaps there are question marks over his ability to compete physically at the top level and also huge question marks about how he performs as teams know what he's about. I'm not doubting his talent at all, but Afobe is a safeish bet as a premiership side. Not for 10M mind, but I can see why Clough isn't in the same bracket yet.

[LeverEnd]

I have seen positives in his game, but I lambast him because his wild inconsistency of effort and battling qualities, plus the number of complete sitters he's missed suggest a poor attitude and lack of determination or mental strength. He gives up, and I dislike him for it. I also hope he can overcome it and contribute more, but that hope is based on age rather than what I've seen from him.

[Enoch]

he can be frustrating but he's also got a similar scoring record to pretty much all of our other recent strikers (loanees excepted) - Elmander, SKD, Cravies, Ngog all have a 1 goal in 5 ratio (or thereabouts), and a few players like Beckford and Heskey have a worse one,

See, that just didn't ring true, so I took a gander.

I know, slow morning!

Beckford, I believe, scored 11 goals in 51 games for BWFC, 22 of which were substitute appearances.

That's a goal every 4.64 games.

K. Davies - every 4.85

Elmander - every 4.91

C. Davies - every 5.27

N'gog - every 5.69

Given that those numbers show 43% of Beckford's appearances as off the bench, I'd imagine his 'minutes per goal' is comfortably the best by a BWFC player for some while.

T'internet eh! Bloody free for all.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Anyhow - Spotty, what news of incoming saviours do you bring? There's hardly been a mention of Veloso and we're up to page 46.

Worthy! I wrote to Portugal, and he's written back... Veloso's coming.
And the news gets better he's on a Bosman and his agent wants nothing. Veloso himself says he'll play for bed and board.

Full name António Augusto da Silva Veloso
Date of birth 31 January 1957 (age 58)
Place of birth São João da Madeira, Portugal
Playing position Full back

[Bijou Bob]

I have seen positives in his game, but I lambast him because his wild inconsistency of effort and battling qualities, plus the number of complete sitters he's missed suggest a poor attitude and lack of determination or mental strength. He gives up, and I dislike him for it. I also hope he can overcome it and contribute more, but that hope is based on age rather than what I've seen from him.

All of the above is true. He can work harder, his fitness could improve and his hold up play needs improving, along with his finishing. In terms of pounds per goal, rather than goals per game though, I'd warrant he's our best forward for some time.

Interestingly, when I spoke with NL pre season, he gave the impression he hadn't seen him personally before he was signed. Lennon was pleasantly suprised by his work rate in those first few matches, but it's fair to say he's yet to match that.

[Enoch]

he can be frustrating but he's also got a similar scoring record to pretty much all of our other recent strikers (loanees excepted) - Elmander, SKD, Cravies, Ngog all have a 1 goal in 5 ratio (or thereabouts), and a few players like Beckford and Heskey have a worse one,

See, that just didn't ring true, so I took a gander.

I know, slow morning!

Beckford, I believe, scored 11 goals in 51 games for BWFC, 22 of which were substitute appearances.

That's a goal every 4.64 games.

K. Davies - every 4.85

Elmander - every 4.91

C. Davies - every 5.27

N'gog - every 5.69

Given that those numbers show 43% of Beckford's appearances as off the bench, I'd imagine his 'minutes per goal' is comfortably the best by a BWFC player for some while.

T'internet eh! Bloody free for all.

According to wiki (I didn't go much further into stats due to workload) Beckford bagged 7 in 46 appearances for us which is 1 every 6.6 games, although I think they only count league appearances/goals in their stat summary. Anyway the point I was making is that most of our strikers in the past few years have been around the 1 in 5 mark. Fair point about Beckford, I didn't go into how many sub and starting appearances he made due to time, but what I was trying to say is that Madine seems about par for the course in terms of our strikers yet is vilified moreso by the fanbase than any of the others from my experiences.

It's crap ain't it!

I take your point regard Madine, the little I've seen of him he's shown bits of quality, though he has appeared to panic when in front of goal.

What I'm trying to say though, is in your defence of someone you feel is unfairly vilified, you have unfairly added fuel to the fires of those that, to my mind, unfairly vilify Beckford. It's sooooo unfair!

Folk read shit posted by busy folk that make stuff up and if it suits their mindset, they f*cking well believe it!

[thebish]

so - bottom line - it turns out that Madine is actually ace??

[boltonboris]

Tell him to take Heskey, Madine and that clown that only ever comes on in the 92nd minute with him!

See, I take your point about Madine, he often flatters to deceive, yet he will undoubtedly get double figures in a very poor team this year. It's a good few seasons since anyone achieved that and possibly the mark of a bloke who deserves some time?

Undoubtedly? Not sure about that - We're over the halfway mark and he's got 5 to his name

Don't be a doubting Thomas, he'll threaten to shoot you!

We are stuck with Madine, and although he's usually shit, he's not without ability and still has the capacity to improve. I'd like to see him under a new manager before totally writing him off, although it's tempting.
Heskey sounds like a good character to have around with his PFA stuff and bits of coaching, plus can come on and jump into people. Ameobi is totally surplus.

I don't mind him..

[Enoch]

so - bottom line - it turns out that Madine is actually ace??

Madine - every 5.4

Not in Beckford's class!

[Burnden Paddock]

I have seen positives in his game, but I lambast him because his wild inconsistency of effort and battling qualities, plus the number of complete sitters he's missed suggest a poor attitude and lack of determination or mental strength. He gives up, and I dislike him for it. I also hope he can overcome it and contribute more, but that hope is based on age rather than what I've seen from him.

All of the above is true. He can work harder, his fitness could improve and his hold up play needs improving, along with his finishing. In terms of pounds per goal, rather than goals per game though, I'd warrant he's our best forward for some time.

Interestingly, when I spoke with NL pre season, he gave the impression he hadn't seen him personally before he was signed. Lennon was pleasantly suprised by his work rate in those first few matches, but it's fair to say he's yet to match that.

Bloody hell. Just how many of you lot hang around the bogs in Fanny's??

[Jugs]

I have seen positives in his game, but I lambast him because his wild inconsistency of effort and battling qualities, plus the number of complete sitters he's missed suggest a poor attitude and lack of determination or mental strength. He gives up, and I dislike him for it. I also hope he can overcome it and contribute more, but that hope is based on age rather than what I've seen from him.

All of the above is true. He can work harder, his fitness could improve and his hold up play needs improving, along with his finishing. In terms of pounds per goal, rather than goals per game though, I'd warrant he's our best forward for some time.

Interestingly, when I spoke with NL pre season, he gave the impression he hadn't seen him personally before he was signed. Lennon was pleasantly suprised by his work rate in those first few matches, but it's fair to say he's yet to match that.

Do you mean to say he hadn't spoken to him prior to signing the contract or that he'd never seen him play? Because he played against us for Blackpool which is when he impressed Lennon.

[Jugs]

What baffles me, is that lad Afobe had 9 goals in 25 Championship games for Wolves this season, and he's just fecked off for £10m. Bizarre, right? Only 4 more goals than our Gary! What's gives?

At least one of those 9 was a pen, too. I thought 10million for Afobe was insanely high. Clough scored something like 5 in 8 last season and would have had more but for the injury.

Would he though? Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of the lad, and think he's promising and very exciting, but he's yet to score away from home and his game has been sussed out already (marked and bullied out of the game given his small size). I've always said we should temper our expectations with him, and how he deals with being a marked man will make or break his career. Owen dealt with it and over came it very well when he was at Zach's stage of development, let's hope he can too.
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Yeah he would. I can't vouch for this season, and admittedly he hasn't been firing on all cylinders at times, but he was the form player until injury in early March curtailed his season. I'm pretty confident he'd have bagged a couple more goals, home or away.

[Enoch]

My main issue with Beckford was the seemingly obscene contract we offered him, and fee paid. In excess of £20k p/w and £1m transfer wasn't it?

I asked him once what he was earning at BWFC, I confess I was a bit knocked back by his answer.

"F*ck off you nosey c*nt!"

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I have seen positives in his game, but I lambast him because his wild inconsistency of effort and battling qualities, plus the number of complete sitters he's missed suggest a poor attitude and lack of determination or mental strength. He gives up, and I dislike him for it. I also hope he can overcome it and contribute more, but that hope is based on age rather than what I've seen from him.

All of the above is true. He can work harder, his fitness could improve and his hold up play needs improving, along with his finishing. In terms of pounds per goal, rather than goals per game though, I'd warrant he's our best forward for some time.

Interestingly, when I spoke with NL pre season, he gave the impression he hadn't seen him personally before he was signed. Lennon was pleasantly suprised by his work rate in those first few matches, but it's fair to say he's yet to match that.

Bloody hell. Just how many of you lot hang around the bogs in Fanny's??

I've never spoken to him. Probably goes some way to explaining the stupendous lack of news on this transfer thread.

[Tombwfc]

Three out of Beckford's 11 goals were against Tranmere and Crewe in the cup. Nobody ever doubted he could score goals in the lower leagues, but his record at Championship level for someone who offers nothing when he's not scoring is dogshit. His current run is one goal in 28 Championship games stretching back to December 2013.

Even accepting Enoch's favourable averages, it works out at a whole one goal per season more than say Craig Davies. If I'm choosing between the two, I'll happily take Davies any day of the week. Never mind that he was 10k+ a week cheaper.

As for Madine, I think his problems are in his head. I don't expect him to score in every game, or even play that well, but the minimum he should be doing with his size is putting himself about.

[Enoch]

I have seen positives in his game, but I lambast him because his wild inconsistency of effort and battling qualities, plus the number of complete sitters he's missed suggest a poor attitude and lack of determination or mental strength. He gives up, and I dislike him for it. I also hope he can overcome it and contribute more, but that hope is based on age rather than what I've seen from him.

All of the above is true. He can work harder, his fitness could improve and his hold up play needs improving, along with his finishing. In terms of pounds per goal, rather than goals per game though, I'd warrant he's our best forward for some time.

Interestingly, when I spoke with NL pre season, he gave the impression he hadn't seen him personally before he was signed. Lennon was pleasantly suprised by his work rate in those first few matches, but it's fair to say he's yet to match that.

Bloody hell. Just how many of you lot hang around the bogs in Fanny's??

I've never spoken to him. Probably goes some way to explaining the stupendous lack of news on this transfer thread.

I've spoken to him many times, yet to draw a rejoinder.

[Enoch]

Yeah he would. I can't vouch for this season, and admittedly he hasn't been firing on all cylinders at times, but he was the form player until injury in early March curtailed his season. I'm pretty confident he'd have bagged a couple more goals, home or away.

Don't get me wrong, I think he would have got a few more too, I just question if he'll replicate his form again because as myself and a few others have said he's now a marked man and doesn't seem to know how to handle it. I said at the time we should temper our expectations of him because he was an unknown quality to teams, and once he'd been "sussed" the goals would slow down. Certainly has an eye for goal and a drive to move the ball forwards and run at defenders when given the time, but he's too easily marked out of a game at the moment.

My main issue with Beckford was the seemingly obscene contract we offered him, and fee paid. In excess of £20k p/w and £1m transfer wasn't it?

I asked him once what he was earning at BWFC, I confess I was a bit knocked back by his answer.

"F*ck off you nosey c*nt!"

Guess he's right about one thing (I jest!)

[Harry Genshaw]

It is possible of course that they (Ngog, Beckford, Madine, Heskey, and Ameobi) are all bobbins

[BWFC_Insane]

Beckford came on a free. Same sort of deal as Mark Davies was going to go to Sheff Wed on. Initially we agreed a fee, then baulked at his wages. Then a deal was done to waive the fee to pay him off so the wage differential didn't hit Beckford.

[Enoch]

It is possible of course that they (Ngog, Beckford, Madine, Heskey, and Ameobi) are all bobbins

Now that may have mileage!