The breaking News thread...

[BWFC_Insane]

Because comms and marketing may well pay more but they're not the same as being a journalist. Some people may just want to write for a print media publication. And there are limited ways of doing that.

I'm sure lots of journalists drift away from the traditional profession over time. But there will be LOADS who want to be sports writers and the only way they can start often is local papers.

Oh yeah I fully appreciate that, which is why I said similar. I know it's not the same everywhere but the place I previously worked were always doing press releases, articles, interacting with journalists etc so unless someone was absolutely dead-set on writing for a paper (an arguably dying format, and few are transitioning to the internet age well) I find it strange that so few would rather do a similar, but higher paying role. If you get what I mean.

Anyway we're getting off topic here. Not that there's anything to say about the topic mind.

I imagine part of the allure is investigative journalism or finding your own stories etc...you don't get that working for an organisations press department. You may get to write things but not necessarily of your choosing.

And you're right we may as well discuss this, given there isn't any actual news!

[Jugs]

Doc Hotdog, I get it now

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Fair enough.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I imagine part of the allure is investigative journalism or finding your own stories etc...you don't get that working for an organisations press department. You may get to write things but not necessarily of your choosing.

I can understand that mentality, but is there that much free rein to do that at a local paper too? I'd imagine you're largely told what to investigate and report. Well, you know, unless you stumble onto something big in a neo-noir style investigation!

You're right, you are often told which bereaved relatives' doors to knock upon, etc. It's a hard row that I never had to hoe.

Fair enough.

Sorry DSB upon re-reading my comment, it was a little more gruff than I intended. You know more about starting salaries for journalists, you are one after all, it's just surprising to hear that it's so low when on the face of it starting salaries seem to be higher to someone not in the sector performing a quick search.[/quote]No problem.

The big problem with journalism is that fewer and fewer people are paying for it - readers and advertisers.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The big problem with journalism is that fewer and fewer people are paying for it - readers and advertisers.

From past publishing experience of my own, the industry in general is a poor payer compared to others of that require similar levels of ability/education etc. Thankfully I didn't work on the editorial side so did a little better than many colleagues

[Hoboh]

I imagine part of the allure is investigative journalism or finding your own stories etc...you don't get that working for an organisations press department. You may get to write things but not necessarily of your choosing.

And you're right we may as well discuss this, given there isn't any actual news!

I can understand that mentality, but is there that much free rein to do that at a local paper too? I'd imagine you're largely told what to investigate and report. Well, you know, unless you stumble onto something big in a neo-noir style investigation!

Fair enough.

Sorry DSB upon re-reading my comment, it was a little more gruff than I intended. You know more about starting salaries for journalists, you are one after all, it's just surprising to hear that it's so low when on the face of it starting salaries seem to be higher to someone not in the sector performing a quick search.

Now back to the original point BWFCi was making,
Most people on this forum are making well over £25,000 pa so that makes ILES very poor in relation to forum members (bish excluded along with me and quite a few others ) Time to join the Trots methinks!

[BWFC_Insane]

I imagine part of the allure is investigative journalism or finding your own stories etc...you don't get that working for an organisations press department. You may get to write things but not necessarily of your choosing.

And you're right we may as well discuss this, given there isn't any actual news!

I can understand that mentality, but is there that much free rein to do that at a local paper too? I'd imagine you're largely told what to investigate and report. Well, you know, unless you stumble onto something big in a neo-noir style investigation!

Fair enough.

Sorry DSB upon re-reading my comment, it was a little more gruff than I intended. You know more about starting salaries for journalists, you are one after all, it's just surprising to hear that it's so low when on the face of it starting salaries seem to be higher to someone not in the sector performing a quick search.

Now back to the original point BWFCi was making,
Most people on this forum are making well over £25,000 pa so that makes ILES very poor in relation to forum members (bish excluded along with me and quite a few others ) Time to join the Trots methinks!

I didn't say anything about poorer or richer. I said he probably gets paid far less than many on here. My point was only to illustrate that the Bolton News are not likely to have the resources to pour into this story anymore than they already have. It isn't like Iles is some superpowered, high salaried, journalist who is being lazy. That was merely the point I was making.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

One of the most read news sources in the world isn't it?

It's one of the most read websites. Not sure how much of that is news as opposed to celebrity babble. Also very big in the US, and apparently a lot of its online consumers aren't aware of its, shall we say, "ethos".

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Been working hard, very hard, all morning, and then come on here to see two (TWO, T W O) whole pages of Breaking News...
Imagine my disappointment when I launch myself into it and find it's a discussion on how much Iles is earning...

[Jugs]

The big problem with journalism is that fewer and fewer people are paying for it - readers and advertisers.

Aye, 2 years ago Twitter had a bigger value than The New York Times, even though it had still to yield a profit. Print journalism is dying.

Yeah as I said it's a arguably a dying medium, even I'm rarely buying papers nowadays when I can get identical content on their sites for free or cheaper (with the exclusion of a few who charge). Used to buy them all of the time at uni, they'd get me through dull lectures. I think the only one who have adapted well to the digital age are *shudder* the Daily hate Mail. One of the most read news sources in the world isn't it?

The Daily Mail Online is doing really well in terms of readership and competes with the likes of BuzzFeed for page views. I don't think it makes much of a profit though (if any) despite how well it's doing.

They've got 'clever' methods and get the absolute most out of a news story, no matter how banal. For example, when a celebrity gets married, they'll do loads of articles related to the marriage, such as an article all about the dress. It's all largely shite but it's working for them. It gets them hits.

[Peter Thompson]

Been working hard, very hard, all morning, and then come on here to see two (TWO, T W O) whole pages of Breaking News...
Imagine my disappointment when I launch myself into it and find it's a discussion on how much Iles is earning...

This...

Its like a vicars tea party !

[thebish]

Been working hard, very hard, all morning, and then come on here to see two (TWO, T W O) whole pages of Breaking News...
Imagine my disappointment when I launch myself into it and find it's a discussion on how much Iles is earning...

We're just preparing you with the emotion you'll need for when something does break - disappointment!

One of the most read news sources in the world isn't it?

It's one of the most read websites. Not sure how much of that is news as opposed to celebrity babble. Also very big in the US, and apparently a lot of its online consumers aren't aware of its, shall we say, "ethos".

Funnily enough in the meeting we've just had we were discussing how much of a thorn in our side the Mail are. We've lost many man-hours putting out statements discrediting and explaining why so many of their science articles, mainly X linked to cancer, are wrong and a misinterpretation of statistics.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/keyposts ... to-z.html/

[Worthy4England]

http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/keyposts ... to-z.html/

Ha, I've seen that site or a similar one before. I can't wait for their misunderstanding of the (very likely) gravitational waves announcement tomorrow. "Ripples in spacetime linked to Cancer", "FOREIGN bodies affecting the UK....and they DON'T pay taxes!" are two of the more likely I reckon...

The most frightening one on that list, for me, was constipation. You get the news and you can't even sh*t yourself.

[twilight]

Can we get off this Bolton News subject!! I work for the blinking company (well, one of its sister papers) I don't want to be reading about it on here as well, Please??

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Can we get off this Bolton News subject!! I work for the blinking company (well, one of its sister papers) I don't want to be reading about it on here as well, Please??

You can settle the argument. How much are you paid?

[thebish]

Can we get off this Bolton News subject!! I work for the blinking company (well, one of its sister papers) I don't want to be reading about it on here as well, Please??

You can settle the argument. How much are you paid?

twILESlight... hmmmmm....

[twilight]

Can we get off this Bolton News subject!! I work for the blinking company (well, one of its sister papers) I don't want to be reading about it on here as well, Please??

You can settle the argument. How much are you paid?

Not as much as I would like

[twilight]

Can we get off this Bolton News subject!! I work for the blinking company (well, one of its sister papers) I don't want to be reading about it on here as well, Please??

You can settle the argument. How much are you paid?

twILESlight... hmmmmm....

Errr no Bish, you are barking completely up the wrong tree there.....and you have seen me, and I am not bald, fat, or a journalist

[Jugs]

Hair loss and weight gain can easily and quickly come about ...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Can we get off this Bolton News subject!! I work for the blinking company (well, one of its sister papers) I don't want to be reading about it on here as well, Please??

You can settle the argument. How much are you paid?

Not as much as I would like

So say all of us!