The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by boltonboris » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:54 pm

I think he'd certainly bring some composure and ability to us. Not sure he'd come back without guarantees of minutes, so like you I don't see how he'd fit, but I'd certainly welcome him back as another quality option
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:10 pm

You also wonder whether the arrival of Clough might tempt Vela to stay awhile... or be the sugar pill for Josh's departure, as ALF was for Zach's a year ago.

Mind you, for all the new-agent buzz I'm not absolutely sure I believe that there are half-a-dozen Champo clubs "chasing" Vela. I like him, he's important to us, but I don't see him massively strengthening a promotion-chaser. If he was January's only midfield signing for say Leeds or Derby, you can't imagine their fans assuming automatic promotion to be a gimme.

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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by boltonboris » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:14 pm

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You also wonder whether the arrival of Clough might tempt Vela to stay awhile... or be the sugar pill for Josh's departure, as ALF was for Zach's a year ago.

Mind you, for all the new-agent buzz I'm not absolutely sure I believe that there are half-a-dozen Champo clubs "chasing" Vela. I like him, he's important to us, but I don't see him massively strengthening a promotion-chaser. If he was January's only midfield signing for say Leeds or Derby, you can't imagine their fans assuming automatic promotion to be a gimme.
They might not be chasing Vela, but his agent will be putting the sounds out, fo sho
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:29 pm

boltonboris wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:14 pm
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Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:10 pm
for all the new-agent buzz I'm not absolutely sure I believe that there are half-a-dozen Champo clubs "chasing" Vela. I like him, he's important to us, but I don't see him massively strengthening a promotion-chaser. If he was January's only midfield signing for say Leeds or Derby, you can't imagine their fans assuming automatic promotion to be a gimme.
They might not be chasing Vela, but his agent will be putting the sounds out, fo sho
Of course; that's his job (cue Tango wondering where it all went wrong). But he can ring as many managers as he wants: I can't see many thinking Vela the elusive difference between success and failure.

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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:38 pm

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You also wonder whether the arrival of Clough might tempt Vela to stay awhile...
Was just about to say much the same. I can't for the life of me understand why Forest took Clough without taking Vela as well. The pair are a wonderful double act. In fact, if we did lose Vela then I'm not all that sure that I'd want Clough back.
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by boltonboris » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:27 pm

Aye - If Clough had an inkling that Vela was off, I don't think he'd come back. Big mates and live 20 yards from each other
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:42 pm

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The pair are a wonderful double act. In fact, if we did lose Vela then I'm not all that sure that I'd want Clough back.
I'd rather have Clough without Vela than a team without either. But obviously I'd rather have both, with Sammy on the other wing, and a realistic Madine alternative up top, and subs to keep it fresh. And a bicycle please, Santa...

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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:57 pm

I'd keep Vela and pass on Clough myself. If we're serious about improving the team, lets find another physically strong up and down midfield player who can at the very least give Pratley or Henry a rest now and again and ideally offer something extra over those two (or even play where Vela does sometimes) and a big striker with some pace who offers more/different to Madine.

Those are the areas we can instantly improve on seeing as our options are very limited there.

Quality wise a better centre back would be a priority for me, seeing as Burke is crap and Wheater/Beevers are our best bet but can be easily improved on. Also a LB who can defend if Taylor isn't fit for a while. Robinson is fine in many games but against better sides his lack of defensive ability is exposed.

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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by boltonboris » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:17 pm

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I'd keep Vela and pass on Clough myself. If we're serious about improving the team, lets find another physically strong up and down midfield player who can at the very least give Pratley or Henry a rest now and again
Vela can fill one of them and Clough behind

It's good to have options.
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by Prufrock » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:36 pm

I'd definitely take him. V v few players with that level of quality we can get. Left wing probably the one obvious part of the side we can improve, and he's better than Buckley or Armstrong. Otherwise I'm an ideal world we'd get an upgrade on Pratz, Wilbraham, Beevers and Nadine, in that order.
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:40 pm

boltonboris wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:17 pm
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Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:57 pm
I'd keep Vela and pass on Clough myself. If we're serious about improving the team, lets find another physically strong up and down midfield player who can at the very least give Pratley or Henry a rest now and again
Vela can fill one of them and Clough behind

It's good to have options.
I'd not rule it out. I just think other players will make more impact. I'm not convinced in a team who has as little possession as we do at times, that Clough on the left is a good plan. Quality yes, but he offers less in our own half than Buckley and Armstrong do. And I'm not convinced he offers enough variety for a team quite reliant on a certain way of playing.

If Buckley stays fit I think he'll be an asset.

Armstrong's pace is useful later in games even if he's basically bobbins.

Clough IMO will be a good player in a very good side as at times he was for us last season. In a struggling side...I'm unconvinced.

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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by boltonboris » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:01 pm

He was our best player the season we got relegated by a million miles
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:32 pm

Is there not one genuine play maker, link man around; a sort of second grade David Silva, Danny Murphy, Paul Scholes (cos we can't hope to have originals) who can boss the midfield and make passing a viable option? I mean, I don't want to see us become Seria A imitators of the Francisco Totti era, but just somebody who can make us dangerous instead of square-pass, back-pass, give it to Ben and Wallop... so much. If it weren't he's so useful going forward, I'd suggest Sammi for the role.
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by bristol_Wanderer3 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:40 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:32 pm
Is there not one genuine play maker, link man around; a sort of second grade David Silva, Danny Murphy, Paul Scholes (cos we can't hope to have originals) who can boss the midfield and make passing a viable option? I mean, I don't want to see us become Seria A imitators of the Francisco Totti era, but just somebody who can make us dangerous instead of square-pass, back-pass, give it to Ben and Wallop... so much. If it weren't he's so useful going forward, I'd suggest Sammi for the role.
Chung Yong Lee...

Not only would he offer quality, but he would do a lot to solve the midfield cover problem as it would mean Vela could move into Pratley's role and Pratley into Henry's if necessary. Or CYL would be a replacement for Vela. He is also out of contract in 2018. I hope we do everything to try and sign him.

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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:50 pm

bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:40 pm
TANGODANCER wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:32 pm
Is there not one genuine play maker, link man around; a sort of second grade David Silva, Danny Murphy, Paul Scholes (cos we can't hope to have originals) who can boss the midfield and make passing a viable option? I mean, I don't want to see us become Seria A imitators of the Francisco Totti era, but just somebody who can make us dangerous instead of square-pass, back-pass, give it to Ben and Wallop... so much. If it weren't he's so useful going forward, I'd suggest Sammi for the role.
Chung Yong Lee...

Not only would he offer quality, but he would do a lot to solve the midfield cover problem as it would mean Vela could move into Pratley's role and Pratley into Henry's if necessary. Or CYL would be a replacement for Vela. He is also out of contract in 2018. I hope we do everything to try and sign him.
Okay, ideal. We'll take him; when does he arrive? :D
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:01 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:50 pm
bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:40 pm
TANGODANCER wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:32 pm
Is there not one genuine play maker, link man around; a sort of second grade David Silva, Danny Murphy, Paul Scholes (cos we can't hope to have originals) who can boss the midfield and make passing a viable option? I mean, I don't want to see us become Seria A imitators of the Francisco Totti era, but just somebody who can make us dangerous instead of square-pass, back-pass, give it to Ben and Wallop... so much. If it weren't he's so useful going forward, I'd suggest Sammi for the role.
Chung Yong Lee...

Not only would he offer quality, but he would do a lot to solve the midfield cover problem as it would mean Vela could move into Pratley's role and Pratley into Henry's if necessary. Or CYL would be a replacement for Vela. He is also out of contract in 2018. I hope we do everything to try and sign him.
Okay, ideal. We'll take him; when does he arrive? :D
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by nelson66 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:40 am

If Vela and/or Madine are sold to keep the boat afloat - what sort of money does everyone think they're worth?

£5mil for a championship striker sounds reasonable and £4-5mil for a young, tough tackling harassing midfielder with an eye for goal

I'd not lose any sleep over Madine - as I have never been in his fan club, but think that losing Vela would be a terrible/fatal blow to the club
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:21 am

nelson66 wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:40 am
If Vela and/or Madine are sold to keep the boat afloat - what sort of money does everyone think they're worth?

£5mil for a championship striker sounds reasonable and £4-5mil for a young, tough tackling harassing midfielder with an eye for goal

I'd not lose any sleep over Madine - as I have never been in his fan club, but think that losing Vela would be a terrible/fatal blow to the club
What they're worth and what we could get are two different things.
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Re: The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

Post by officer_dibble » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:50 pm

Both contracts up this summer? Or vela this summer Madine next?

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:54 pm

officer_dibble wrote:
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Both contracts up this summer? Or vela this summer Madine next?
Both next. List is here:
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