Now he's gone, who's next?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

and (coming back to the point) what's wrong with Souness?

He's argumentative. He's pig-headed. He's destructive. And he's a serial failure.

Liverpool: He turned permachamps into laughable losers, notably appearing in a front-page exclusive with The Sun which came out on the third anniversary of Hillsborough.

Galatasaray: He nearly caused a riot, but he'd rather you focus on that flag-planting nonsense than remember he was drummed out of Galatasaray despite spending money on stellar talents like Barry Venison and Mike Marsh.

The following Saturday saw Galatasaray crash to their worst-ever home defeat... Any question of Souness’ contract being renewed was by now beyond contemplation and press reports centred around possible legal action over money he claimed he was owed.

Southampton: He led them to 16th; the following season, under untried lower-league manager Dave Jones, the same side finished four places higher. Maybe he was too busy signing dodgy players like Ali Dia on the basis of a phone call.

Torino: He lasted four months at Serie B side.

Benfica: He was sacked after two trophyless seasons despite signing stellar talents like Steve Harkness, Gary Charles, Michael Thomas, Mark Pembridge, Dean Saunders and Brian Deane.

By the end, such was the intensity of the dis­like for Sou­ness and all his ways that it will be a long time before let any other British coach within a trillion light years of the top post at the Luz.

Blackburn: Fair enough, he got the team promoted and won a league cup (he has never won a league outside the two-ring Scottish circus). But then, in his only managerial spell (bar Rangers) to last longer than three years, his personality came to the fore. He alienated the best players, including ones he had signed. If you only have time to read one of these links, make it this breathtaking testimony from Henning Berg.

Souness and Yorke ended up in an argument about an incident on the pitch. Souness threw off his tracksuit top and insisted on joining in and playing. He sometimes did, even though he was over 50. The players didn’t have the courage to protest. They kicked off and the first thing Souness did was to chase after Yorke. The manager threw himself at his own player, studs first, kicked him at knee height with both feet and left Yorke lying on the grass. Yorke was carried off. Souness didn’t comment on the tackle at all, he just insisted they played on.

Newcastle: Luckily for Souness he was offered an exit by comedy club Newcastle (Blackburn had finished 15th in his final season and he left with them in the relegation zone). Finding a club that needed shake-up, he did it in his usual style and soon ostracised several players: Shay Given and Robbie Elliott would eventually go on record (well, the club DVD) as saying there was a terrible atmosphere at the training ground. Having ostracised the team, he tried to buy a new one, spending £50m on signings including Michael Owen, Albert Luque (£10m!) and Jean-Alain Boumsong (for £8m, six months after Newcastle had turned down the chance to sign him on a free). In February 2006, he was sacked after taking one point from his last six games.

In June 2007, Souness was named in the Stevens Inquiry into corruption in football, over inconsistencies between his testimony and that of Kenneth Shepherd (son of Freddy). Souness denied any wrong-doing. The signings of Boumsong, Luque, Emre and Amdy Faye were among the 17 transfers about which the inquiry raised concern. In July 2007, NUFC were raided by the City of London Police. No charges have been brought against Souness.

In January 2008, when Allardyce left Newcastle, Souness threw his hat back in the ring for the job, but Newcastle ignored him. In December 2008, when Ince left Blackburn, Souness was said to have been very interested in the job – but Blackburn hired Allardyce and Souness claimed he had never been approached.

I'd really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really rather not.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I'd rather have David O'Leary than that Scottish prick... I will be joining Dan watching Northampton if we get Souness..

Just reread his biog on Wiki. There may be good reasons why he hasnt been managing for a while. Hopefully Nixin is just having a laugh and BWFCi s easy life theory is off the mark. One paper had him as winner of worst manager ever award!
Freedman has taken palace from near relegation certainties to the top 4 in a short period without massive changes in personel. Importantly Palace look organised and have a good team spirit. An impressive point IMO is that as soon as he was appointed at Palace he got lennie Lawrence in to support and advise. So not deluded and able to take advice without being threatened. In many ways the anticoyle and perhaps not quite as big a risk as some may think.

[Barefoot Wanderer]

My dislike of Man U is based on dislike of Man U.

it's the man u thing again - depends how you are brought up I suppose. My mum took me to games from '74 onwards and rarely said anything negative about united, which was different to how other fans were brought up (memory recalls we were in same division round about then, div 2) but some fans love to hate them, I hate city, which is ingrained in the same way you hate united - but City are a horrible club, more so now they've got oil-money

And is that an open mind? I think not.

In what way are City a horrible club, and United not? I know both United fans and City fans, and United fans are filled with arrogance and the oft-mentioned Big Club Mentality, whereas most City fans are rather humble, recognising where they have come from.

there is nothing humble about city fans (are you on medication?) all city fans do is moan and moan no matter what situation unfolds for them. If you listen to gmr every week for best part of 40 years you soon get an understanding of city fans who have always considered themselves as a giant in football (even when they were in tier 3) and by some freak stroke of luck got someone to buy their pathetic club.

Because of the money now behind city they have all but scrapped their youth program, selecting to buy galactico's instead, which has an effect on what future england players may come up in the future, or may not with this kind of rich-power thinking

how many man u players come through their youth policy? a lot, and go on to play for england? Even though city have england players at present this will not be the case in years to come because they don't need to work on the youth - they've got Saudi money instead. Now all you hear everyweek are city fans moaning cause their season hasn't started well and how can they win the champions league when they are in such a hard group - humble my sweaty arm-pits!

United, even though are a rich club still bring young players on to the big stage consistently as well as buying big, trouble is with city is that they are in a rush - they'll flop as soon as their investors get bored and jump ship

United have every right to be arrogant, they are the most envied, prestegious club in the world (der!)

Was there any need for the personal slights and thinly veiled questioning of my intelligence in that post? Really?

My post was a comment on the City and United fans that I know. In general, I find it easier to associate with City fans than United fans, who, in my opinion, are arrogant and filled with a sense of self-entitlement just because they support United. They have no concept of supporting a team who doesn't win trophies every season. They have "fans" around the world who have never been to see them, who know very little about them, who "support" them simply because of their achievements.

And, to be honest, I couldn't give a shit about what team helps the national side more. Yeah, I don't like the fact that City have bought their way to the title. I reckon they've sold out and lost all identity. But United have kept their identity, and that identity, with everything that I've commented on and the sheer luck they generate, and the bias afforded them by the officials, is hateful.

I wondered if you was on medication, nothing more. Nothing resembling "personal slights", I don't think. Explain.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Thank you Dave Sutton's Barnet for bringing some sense back into the thread. Your demolition of Souness was outstanding, much better than my 'if I see [Souness's] ugly mug I want to do a Baumgartner on him without a parachute'.

[truewhite15]

and (coming back to the point) what's wrong with Souness?

He's argumentative. He's pig-headed. He's destructive. And he's a serial failure.

Liverpool: He turned permachamps into laughable losers, notably appearing in a front-page exclusive with The Sun which came out on the third anniversary of Hillsborough.

Galatasaray: He nearly caused a riot, but he'd rather you focus on that flag-planting nonsense than remember he was drummed out of Galatasaray despite spending money on stellar talents like Barry Venison and Mike Marsh.

The following Saturday saw Galatasaray crash to their worst-ever home defeat... Any question of Souness’ contract being renewed was by now beyond contemplation and press reports centred around possible legal action over money he claimed he was owed.

Southampton: He led them to 16th; the following season, under untried lower-league manager Dave Jones, the same side finished four places higher. Maybe he was too busy signing dodgy players like Ali Dia on the basis of a phone call.

Torino: He lasted four months at Serie B side.

Benfica: He was sacked after two trophyless seasons despite signing stellar talents like Steve Harkness, Gary Charles, Michael Thomas, Mark Pembridge, Dean Saunders and Brian Deane.

By the end, such was the intensity of the dis­like for Sou­ness and all his ways that it will be a long time before let any other British coach within a trillion light years of the top post at the Luz.

Blackburn: Fair enough, he got the team promoted and won a league cup (he has never won a league outside the two-ring Scottish circus). But then, in his only managerial spell (bar Rangers) to last longer than three years, his personality came to the fore. He alienated the best players, including ones he had signed. If you only have time to read one of these links, make it this breathtaking testimony from Henning Berg.

Souness and Yorke ended up in an argument about an incident on the pitch. Souness threw off his tracksuit top and insisted on joining in and playing. He sometimes did, even though he was over 50. The players didn’t have the courage to protest. They kicked off and the first thing Souness did was to chase after Yorke. The manager threw himself at his own player, studs first, kicked him at knee height with both feet and left Yorke lying on the grass. Yorke was carried off. Souness didn’t comment on the tackle at all, he just insisted they played on.

Newcastle: Luckily for Souness he was offered an exit by comedy club Newcastle (Blackburn had finished 15th in his final season and he left with them in the relegation zone). Finding a club that needed shake-up, he did it in his usual style and soon ostracised several players: Shay Given and Robbie Elliott would eventually go on record (well, the club DVD) as saying there was a terrible atmosphere at the training ground. Having ostracised the team, he tried to buy a new one, spending £50m on signings including Michael Owen, Albert Luque (£10m!) and Jean-Alain Boumsong (for £8m, six months after Newcastle had turned down the chance to sign him on a free). In February 2006, he was sacked after taking one point from his last six games.

In June 2007, Souness was named in the Stevens Inquiry into corruption in football, over inconsistencies between his testimony and that of Kenneth Shepherd (son of Freddy). Souness denied any wrong-doing. The signings of Boumsong, Luque, Emre and Amdy Faye were among the 17 transfers about which the inquiry raised concern. In July 2007, NUFC were raided by the City of London Police. No charges have been brought against Souness.

In January 2008, when Allardyce left Newcastle, Souness threw his hat back in the ring for the job, but Newcastle ignored him. In December 2008, when Ince left Blackburn, Souness was said to have been very interested in the job – but Blackburn hired Allardyce and Souness claimed he had never been approached.

I'd really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really rather not.

I didn't think I'd mind Souness. Having read Henning Berg's testimony, I've changed my mind. He can get fecked.

[truewhite15]

Because of the money now behind city they have all but scrapped their youth program, selecting to buy galactico's instead, which has an effect on what future england players may come up in the future, or may not with this kind of rich-power thinking

how many man u players come through their youth policy? a lot, and go on to play for england? Even though city have england players at present this will not be the case in years to come because they don't need to work on the youth - they've got Saudi money instead. Now all you hear everyweek are city fans moaning cause their season hasn't started well and how can they win the champions league when they are in such a hard group - humble my sweaty arm-pits!

United, even though are a rich club still bring young players on to the big stage consistently as well as buying big, trouble is with city is that they are in a rush - they'll flop as soon as their investors get bored and jump ship

United have every right to be arrogant, they are the most envied, prestegious club in the world (der!)

Was there any need for the personal slights and thinly veiled questioning of my intelligence in that post? Really?

My post was a comment on the City and United fans that I know. In general, I find it easier to associate with City fans than United fans, who, in my opinion, are arrogant and filled with a sense of self-entitlement just because they support United. They have no concept of supporting a team who doesn't win trophies every season. They have "fans" around the world who have never been to see them, who know very little about them, who "support" them simply because of their achievements.

And, to be honest, I couldn't give a shit about what team helps the national side more. Yeah, I don't like the fact that City have bought their way to the title. I reckon they've sold out and lost all identity. But United have kept their identity, and that identity, with everything that I've commented on and the sheer luck they generate, and the bias afforded them by the officials, is hateful.

I wondered if you was on medication, nothing more. Nothing resembling "personal slights", I don't think. Explain.

So you don't think asking if I'm on medication and putting "der" at the end of your post, as you might to somebody struggling to grasp that two plus two equals four, is a little out of line, particularly when unprovoked? Good to know where your head's at.

Oh, and it's "I wondered if you WERE on medication", not "was".

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Thank you Dave Sutton's Barnet for bringing some sense back into the thread. Your demolition of Souness was outstanding, much better than my 'if I see [Souness's] ugly mug I want to do a Baumgartner on him without a parachute'.

Yes ,I always think of souness as a disaster but it's only when you look at the trail of destruction that you realise just how bad he generally has been.Shouldnt even be on a long list and certainly not a short term fix. The pattern seems to be wreck what was in place and replace it with something far worse.

[ChrisC]

If the club are serious about having this system in place I honestly can't see Souness being anywhere near consideration. The club will appoint someone young like Dougie Freedman who won't have a problem fitting in with the setup of Lee etc..

Can people honestly see Souness being told what to do and who he has to works with?

[BL3]

He's got a better record than McCarthy

Better record at getting teams promoted from the Championship? Because that's the priority.

Agreed entirely. I'd pick McCarthy over the two. But Souness I believe had one go at taking a side up and did with Blackburn, then kept them there.

He kept Southampton up for a year as well.

In fact I don't think he's been relegated in his career (not in England at least).

So on pure record he's ahead of Mick if you judge it like that.

Perhaps this is all a sneaky plan, float Souness' name around so that the likes of LK are "happy" when Mick is appointed?

Until you factor in how long ago it was...

[Tombwfc]

If the club are serious about having this system in place I honestly can't see Souness being anywhere near consideration. The club will appoint someone young like Dougie Freedman who won't have a problem fitting in with the setup of Lee etc..

Can people honestly see Souness being told what to do and who he has to works with?

If it's someone who he's already worked extensively with, why would it be a problem?

[SmokinFrazier]

Given that we're known to want a "young" manager, why are McCarthy and Souness even being mentioned? They're the opposite of what we supposedly want.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Given that we're known to want a "young" manager, why are McCarthy and Souness even being mentioned? They're the opposite of what we supposedly want.

As far as I know the only source for the "young manager" / "new Coyle" thing is Alan Nixon. The same bloke who's now suggesting Souness.

[BWFC_Insane]

Given that we're known to want a "young" manager, why are McCarthy and Souness even being mentioned? They're the opposite of what we supposedly want.

As far as I know the only source for the "young manager" / "new Coyle" thing is Alan Nixon. The same bloke who's now suggesting Souness.

Perhaps we can't afford the young managers we wanted like OGS or they've turned us down?

As for Souness' record, bit much to gloss over promoting Blackburn keeping them up and winning a cup with them.

Christ taking us up will do.

[Verbal]

Don't think Jesus is available at the minute, sadly.

[General Mannerheim]

Don't think Jesus is available at the minute, sadly.

he's a pedderass anyway.

[Relentless09]

If the articles on the Bolton News website give me hope that the 3 in charge at the minute know what there doing

[officer_dibble]

I dont want Souness!

Still ABC mind...

[Barefoot Wanderer]

and (coming back to the point) what's wrong with Souness?

He's argumentative. He's pig-headed. He's destructive. And he's a serial failure.

Liverpool: He turned permachamps into laughable losers, notably appearing in a front-page exclusive with The Sun which came out on the third anniversary of Hillsborough.

Galatasaray: He nearly caused a riot, but he'd rather you focus on that flag-planting nonsense than remember he was drummed out of Galatasaray despite spending money on stellar talents like Barry Venison and Mike Marsh.

The following Saturday saw Galatasaray crash to their worst-ever home defeat... Any question of Souness’ contract being renewed was by now beyond contemplation and press reports centred around possible legal action over money he claimed he was owed.

Southampton: He led them to 16th; the following season, under untried lower-league manager Dave Jones, the same side finished four places higher. Maybe he was too busy signing dodgy players like Ali Dia on the basis of a phone call.

Torino: He lasted four months at Serie B side.

Benfica: He was sacked after two trophyless seasons despite signing stellar talents like Steve Harkness, Gary Charles, Michael Thomas, Mark Pembridge, Dean Saunders and Brian Deane.

By the end, such was the intensity of the dis­like for Sou­ness and all his ways that it will be a long time before let any other British coach within a trillion light years of the top post at the Luz.

Blackburn: Fair enough, he got the team promoted and won a league cup (he has never won a league outside the two-ring Scottish circus). But then, in his only managerial spell (bar Rangers) to last longer than three years, his personality came to the fore. He alienated the best players, including ones he had signed. If you only have time to read one of these links, make it this breathtaking testimony from Henning Berg.

Souness and Yorke ended up in an argument about an incident on the pitch. Souness threw off his tracksuit top and insisted on joining in and playing. He sometimes did, even though he was over 50. The players didn’t have the courage to protest. They kicked off and the first thing Souness did was to chase after Yorke. The manager threw himself at his own player, studs first, kicked him at knee height with both feet and left Yorke lying on the grass. Yorke was carried off. Souness didn’t comment on the tackle at all, he just insisted they played on.

Newcastle: Luckily for Souness he was offered an exit by comedy club Newcastle (Blackburn had finished 15th in his final season and he left with them in the relegation zone). Finding a club that needed shake-up, he did it in his usual style and soon ostracised several players: Shay Given and Robbie Elliott would eventually go on record (well, the club DVD) as saying there was a terrible atmosphere at the training ground. Having ostracised the team, he tried to buy a new one, spending £50m on signings including Michael Owen, Albert Luque (£10m!) and Jean-Alain Boumsong (for £8m, six months after Newcastle had turned down the chance to sign him on a free). In February 2006, he was sacked after taking one point from his last six games.

In June 2007, Souness was named in the Stevens Inquiry into corruption in football, over inconsistencies between his testimony and that of Kenneth Shepherd (son of Freddy). Souness denied any wrong-doing. The signings of Boumsong, Luque, Emre and Amdy Faye were among the 17 transfers about which the inquiry raised concern. In July 2007, NUFC were raided by the City of London Police. No charges have been brought against Souness.

In January 2008, when Allardyce left Newcastle, Souness threw his hat back in the ring for the job, but Newcastle ignored him. In December 2008, when Ince left Blackburn, Souness was said to have been very interested in the job – but Blackburn hired Allardyce and Souness claimed he had never been approached.

I'd really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really rather not.

A well put argument - maybe 6 years away from management he's had chance to reflect. He has a really good eye for football, loves the game passionately (all-be-it, too passionately ), now he might have a new sense of direction. I still wouldn't be disappointed if Souness got it, I've a good feeling about him - he might have learned something and now he's got something to prove. I think you also have to be careful as to which stories are true about Souness, a lot of exaggerations no doubt but I admit he's a worry

Not my first choice but better equipped than McCarthy I think IMO

[davidb83]

I like the idea of what Jimmy Philips is doing. And if we win 2 games on the bounce and win them well...then why not use him with Sammy Lee as head coach. Both have worked under Alardyce and Lee did very well as the coach. Jimmy has worked wonders with the Academy.

[BWFC_Insane]

Interestingly Souness is leading a poll on the BN homepage for who fans want as manager, out of Freedman, McCarthy, Phillips and Appleton.

Kinda surprised by that.

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