Coyle out?

[Hoboh]

Serious question this;
Where is the fabled ball to feet passing movement we have all been waiting for? more so now he has more or less his "type of player" in the squad.
How come we make do with the "old guard" not good enough for the front line?
Why are we devoid of any shape for longer than a couple of minutes per game?
Has our esteemed manager or his coaches got a friggin' clue what defence is? or are the players programed to roll over for the other managers Coyle admires so much? Is fear there before we take to the field?
Are some of the managers signings actually good enough for the prem or cut price shirt fillers?
Do we actually have a propper training schedule or kick abouts?
Is our manager a tactical fool ala Keegan?

Blame the fixtures and the "plot" by the Prem to get BWFC out of it all you like thats balls its down to in my view poor management pure and simple, there is no heart in this team at all, motivation is poor and understanding by the players of each other is not to be seen, again down to the training and manager.
I seriously doubt that Coyle and his croines would be much better off if he had Europes top 11 players in his team!!
Time Mr Coyle to prove a growing number of doubters wrong or jump before you get pushed.
signed
Nota happychappie!!

[William the White]

There are serious questions to be asked about what is going on.

And there are ludicrous solutions.

The title of this thread is one of them.

[BWFC_Insane]

There are serious questions to be asked about what is going on.

And there are ludicrous solutions.

The title of this thread is one of them.

I'd not sack Coyle yet, but I think the question is hardly ludicrous when we are bottom of the league, given the way we are playing.

[Hoboh]

There are serious questions to be asked about what is going on.

And there are ludicrous solutions.

The title of this thread is one of them.

If this carrys on even you will choke on a glass of your plonk William!

[Athers]

He should not and will not be under any stated pressure from above, he will be feeling the pressure himself.

[Hoboh]

He should not and will not be under any stated pressure from above, he will be feeling the pressure himself.

Fuk me!! Want to be my boss please Athers

[officer_dibble]

we've lost what, 11 in 13?

That said we've played the 5 teams we get habitually spanked by now, we tend to get enough points from the rest to do OK

I'm not convinced mind, the manner of defeat and all the organisational problems we have say to me we won't be turning on the 'win' tap next time out, particularly at a ground we aint usually that fond of.

The signs aren't good but he deserves time to right the team, the backroom staff, and it should be Christmas he is judged. If at Christmas we look in danger of beating this I think something should be done. Actually if we are still on 3 points in November I'll probably be twitchy!!

[BWFC_Insane]

we've lost what, 11 in 13?

That said we've played the 5 teams we get habitually spanked by now, we tend to get enough points from the rest to do OK

I'm not convinced mind, the manner of defeat and all the organisational problems we have say to me we won't be turning on the 'win' tap next time out, particularly at a ground we aint usually that fond of.

The signs aren't good but he deserves time to right the team, the backroom staff, and it should be Christmas he is judged. If at Christmas we look in danger of beating this I think something should be done. Actually if we are still on 3 points in November I'll probably be twitchy!!

By Christmas situation could be irreversible!

[Hoboh]

we've lost what, 11 in 13?

That said we've played the 5 teams we get habitually spanked by now, we tend to get enough points from the rest to do OK

I'm not convinced mind, the manner of defeat and all the organisational problems we have say to me we won't be turning on the 'win' tap next time out, particularly at a ground we aint usually that fond of.

The signs aren't good but he deserves time to right the team, the backroom staff, and it should be Christmas he is judged. If at Christmas we look in danger of beating this I think something should be done. Actually if we are still on 3 points in November I'll probably be twitchy!!

I'd pull the trigger if we don't get 6 or 7 out of the next 9 or we are fooked big time!

[Athers]

He should not and will not be under any stated pressure from above, he will be feeling the pressure himself.

Fuk me!! Want to be my boss please Athers

Not a chance would I hire you

[Hoboh]

He should not and will not be under any stated pressure from above, he will be feeling the pressure himself.

Fuk me!! Want to be my boss please Athers

Not a chance would I hire you

Ah well you know who your mates are guess its the dole office tomoz then, no unity on the terraces, bring back King Arthur!!

[jmjhb]

I won't be protesting for his sacking per se, but if he left tomorrow, I actually wouldn't be that bothered.

[Sponge]

we've lost what, 11 in 13?

That said we've played the 5 teams we get habitually spanked by now, we tend to get enough points from the rest to do OK

I'm not convinced mind, the manner of defeat and all the organisational problems we have say to me we won't be turning on the 'win' tap next time out, particularly at a ground we aint usually that fond of.

The signs aren't good but he deserves time to right the team, the backroom staff, and it should be Christmas he is judged. If at Christmas we look in danger of beating this I think something should be done. Actually if we are still on 3 points in November I'll probably be twitchy!!

*shudder*

[BWFC_Wyles]

I don't think sacking him now would do us any good however as has already been stated, the next 3 games are crucial. 7 points from a possible 9 will save Coyle from the sack. A defeat to any of Wigan, Sunderland & Swansea is unthinkable.

He has brought some seriously average players on board, and plays them ahead of the quality that he has brought in. He keeps changing the formation and the starting XI, so how are the players ever to gel??
Pratley is dreadful, Reo-Coker hasn't really set the world alight, our left side is very poor with Robbo basically having to mark 2 players as Petrov doesn't think it's necessary to track back.
Kakuta & Tuncay should be playing regularly and I know the former was ineligible yesterday, but he's played one game and by all accounts had a stormer against Villa!

I'd like to see Gardner & Kakuta on the left. Muamba should be playing, he's a great ball winner and better than Reo-Coker.

Anyway, point being.... 3 games to save your job Owen. Fans' favourite or not!

[BWFC_Wyles]

I think the other question that needs answering is: "If Coyle was to go, who do we bring in?"

Mark Hughes?
Martin O'Neill? (if he'd come that is!)

[jimbo_bwfc]

I don't want to make excuses for some pretty woeful performances, but you cannot ignore we've had some of the worst luck. I cannot think of any club of our size who would cope well with losing their best two players to long-term injuries. Even a Club like United would be affected if they lost Rooeny and Vidic for a year and they can afford to replace them with quality back-up, we cannot.

On top of that you've got our next best player with an eye on a move elsewhere, you've got the fixture list, you've got the decline of once consistant heads like Davies/Jussi, you've lost your top two scorers from last season without getting a single penny back for either and to amend all of these problems at once, you've got about 5M to spend in the transfer window.

The way Coyle approaches things at times are questionable, sure, but who realisitcally could do much with the players we've had in the games we've had? The only result that we did not expect was the one against Norwich. I'd agree that getting shafted by the top teams isn't acceptable and we should be trying to compete, and maybe with our best players in the squad we'd have had a little more hope.

If after the next six games we are in the bottom 3 then alarm bells might start to ring but currently we are 2 points off 17th having had all the handicaps in the world against us.

It's easy to now say oh you're just making excuses, but it's not like they aren't valid excuses, any manager would have struggled to deal with the upheavel and loss of quality player. Making huge decisions, which sacking any manager would be, is not an option at this stage. We're bleeding money as it is without having to pay compensation to get rid and to bring in, new structure, new backroom, new players to suit the new managers style or whatever. And then what happens when it comes back around to this same run of fixtures in January? Do we sack that manager when we lose all of those games too?

As for replacements, not sure either Mark Hughes or Martin O'Neill would even consider touching the job. Mark Hughes left Fulham because he didn't want to get the label as a mid-table manager because he has aspirations of managing higher up the league. MON is well out of our league, probably has eyes for a top job. We'd end up with another bottom feeder. I'd rather have a bottom feeder with some potential to grow, who knows the place and the players in Coyle.

[Riviman]

Good post jimbo I agree 100%.

[fatshaft]

There are serious questions to be asked about what is going on.

And there are ludicrous solutions.

The title of this thread is one of them.

[thebish]

quite apart from anything else - we can't afford to sack Coyle - can we? if we had that kind of spare cash - we'd have spent it on players wouldn't we?

anyway - grass is always greener... over the fence last night my WH supporting neighbour told me we could have BigSam back for free along with half the players he's signed!

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't want to make excuses for some pretty woeful performances, but you cannot ignore we've had some of the worst luck. I cannot think of any club of our size who would cope well with losing their best two players to long-term injuries. Even a Club like United would be affected if they lost Rooeny and Vidic for a year and they can afford to replace them with quality back-up, we cannot.

On top of that you've got our next best player with an eye on a move elsewhere, you've got the fixture list, you've got the decline of once consistant heads like Davies/Jussi, you've lost your top two scorers from last season without getting a single penny back for either and to amend all of these problems at once, you've got about 5M to spend in the transfer window.

The way Coyle approaches things at times are questionable, sure, but who realisitcally could do much with the players we've had in the games we've had? The only result that we did not expect was the one against Norwich. I'd agree that getting shafted by the top teams isn't acceptable and we should be trying to compete, and maybe with our best players in the squad we'd have had a little more hope.

If after the next six games we are in the bottom 3 then alarm bells might start to ring but currently we are 2 points off 17th having had all the handicaps in the world against us.

It's easy to now say oh you're just making excuses, but it's not like they aren't valid excuses, any manager would have struggled to deal with the upheavel and loss of quality player. Making huge decisions, which sacking any manager would be, is not an option at this stage. We're bleeding money as it is without having to pay compensation to get rid and to bring in, new structure, new backroom, new players to suit the new managers style or whatever. And then what happens when it comes back around to this same run of fixtures in January? Do we sack that manager when we lose all of those games too?

As for replacements, not sure either Mark Hughes or Martin O'Neill would even consider touching the job. Mark Hughes left Fulham because he didn't want to get the label as a mid-table manager because he has aspirations of managing higher up the league. MON is well out of our league, probably has eyes for a top job. We'd end up with another bottom feeder. I'd rather have a bottom feeder with some potential to grow, who knows the place and the players in Coyle.

We've had rotten luck with injuries and the fixture list no doubt.

But that does not excuse the terrible organisation, and seeming lack of structure and shape.

All managers when they are struggling can point to things that have gone against them. Every single one.

Given the reveal of the full nature of Holdens injury Coyle will have known all summer there was a good chance the lad wouldn't make it back this season. Given it was serious ligament damage and a broken bone combined, and he had a screw in his knee, you wouldn't bank on him giving you a full season. Bad luck, but I believe he prepared for that by bringing in Pratley and NRC. He clearly knew we needed plenty in there.

Steve Bruce had about 13 out injured last season, no exaggeration, but they still beat us, and he'd lost his best player in Bent.

These sorts of things seem to happen when you're bottom.

I still think we are underproducing given the players we have.