Is there anyone now who wouldn't sack him?

[officer_dibble]

Can't be many out there now?

[Worthy4England]

Out...

It's been fairly quiet on Gartside's Twitter today. Hopefully he's been busy on the 'phone...

[hi there, i'm chris]

Right after the Villa game, for the first time, I was definitely in the 'Coyle Out' camp. However since I've calmed down a bit, I'm still torn. Deep down I know he should go but I just really want to see him turn it around.

Part of me also thinks that we're pretty much certain for relegation now and we should keep hold of him because he can get us promoted again.

I think the fact that I really like the guy and want him to succeed with us is clouding my judgement. That, plus I really don't think there would be a decent replacement.

[officer_dibble]

cant say i blame him (gartside) for not tweeting
coyle is indefensible now, but its not right for someone in gartsides position to go public about it on that forum, he cant also come out and back him with replies to our idiot fans on their either - indefensible
have to say i'll be astounded if he isnt gone by tuesday, and if not, its an acceptance of relegation, which worthy you have already made a solid enough post on today already - if it aint happening its gonna take one big feck off miracle now - 9 points!!

[officer_dibble]

Right after the Villa game, for the first time, I was definitely in the 'Coyle Out' camp. However since I've calmed down a bit, I'm still torn. Deep down I know he should go but I just really want to see him turn it around.

Part of me also thinks that we're pretty much certain for relegation now and we should keep hold of him because he can get us promoted again.

I think the fact that I really like the guy and want him to succeed with us is clouding my judgement. That, plus I really don't think there would be a decent replacement.

I like the guy and i'm gutted he cant turn it round, but he's making continual mistake after mistake after mistake - he's indefensible! Even if we kept him till the end of the season, we'll finish on about 12 points and he couldn't ever be offered a new contract, it would be madness! He has to go now!

[hi there, i'm chris]

Right after the Villa game, for the first time, I was definitely in the 'Coyle Out' camp. However since I've calmed down a bit, I'm still torn. Deep down I know he should go but I just really want to see him turn it around.

Part of me also thinks that we're pretty much certain for relegation now and we should keep hold of him because he can get us promoted again.

I think the fact that I really like the guy and want him to succeed with us is clouding my judgement. That, plus I really don't think there would be a decent replacement.

I like the guy and i'm gutted he cant turn it round, but he's making continual mistake after mistake after mistake - he's indefensible! Even if we kept him till the end of the season, we'll finish on about 12 points and he couldn't ever be offered a new contract, it would be madness! He has to go now!

Yeah, I've said elsewhere that I didn't realise his contract was up at the end of the season. It would be really odd and something I don't recall happening before if we got relegated and he was offered a new contract.

I still find it difficult to believe that this is the same manager that, not even a year ago, was touted as the long term replacement for Arsene Wenger.

[Lennon'sEleven]

It's 17 defeats in 20 premier league games. That's not acceptable. It's a shame, but it is time to go.

[dasher]

As is see if we either

1) sack Coyle now give the manager 3 or 4 games before the start of the transfer window to assess the squad then try to get in some recruits

2) or we keep Coyle to the end of the season but there is very little signs of improvement in our performaces to give us hope this is going to be turned around.

Just dont see the point sacking Coyle mid to end of Jan when new manager wont have chance to bring players in

[ratbert]

Gartside is the one that should go. He's presided over too many events like this for my liking.

[boltonboris]

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Out.

I like the guy and i'm gutted he cant turn it round, but he's making continual mistake after mistake after mistake - he's indefensible

It's 17 defeats in 20 premier league games. That's not acceptable. It's a shame, but it is time to go.

[thebish]

I guess I have reached the point where I would not be gutted if he was sacked - but still at the point where my response would be governed by the quality of his replacement - I am not in the "anyone is better" club. I am also still at the stage where I hope that we win the next 2 games and confidence turns and Coyle and the players rediscover their mojo - but that is more in hope than expectation. For me, the difference with Coyle over Megson is that I WANTED Megson to be sacked... I don't WANT Coyle to be sacked.

I'm with CAPS in thinking that it is not a miracle that we need - it's not even christmas yet - there's a long way to go - but what is needed is for the side to be properly organised and motivated and giving 100% If there is a managerial candidate who can do that with the players we've got (they are not talentless) - then I'd willingly give him a chance.

where I am NOT is at any point that involves such evident "glee" at Coyles demise or personal vitriol, which is why I react to BWFCi's posts. In fact it is probably BWFCi's tone that has kept me so long in the "give Coyle some time" camp.

the tipping point for me was this Villa game... at home - perfect opportunity.. thrown away without a whimper and with seemingly no heart for the fight... a sad day indeed...

[The Axman]

Out! get thee gone.

[Wandering Willy]

I guess I have reached the point where I would not be gutted if he was sacked - but still at the point where my response would be governed by the quality of his replacement - I am not in the "anyone is better" club. I am also still at the stage where I hope that we win the next 2 games and confidence turns and Coyle and the players rediscover their mojo - but that is more in hope than expectation. For me, the difference with Coyle over Megson is that I WANTED Megson to be sacked... I don't WANT Coyle to be sacked.

I'm with CAPS in thinking that it is not a miracle that we need - it's not even christmas yet - there's a long way to go - but what is needed is for the side to be properly organised and motivated and giving 100% If there is a managerial candidate who can do that with the players we've got (they are not talentless) - then I'd willingly give him a chance.

where I am NOT is at any point that involves such evident "glee" at Coyles demise or personal vitriol, which is why I react to BWFCi's posts. In fact it is probably BWFCi's tone that has kept me so long in the "give Coyle some time" camp.

the tipping point for me was this Villa game... at home - perfect opportunity.. thrown away without a whimper and with seemingly no heart for the fight... a sad day indeed...

Excellent post reverend and sums up where I am now.

I have long defended Coyle because of what have been described as extenuating circumstances but the selections for the Villa game, particularly in midfield, left me scratching my head.

The next appointment is the key though and should be made not just to get rid of Coyle.

I fear we may be ignoring the very large elephant in the room that is that a club of our size cannot withstand £30+m million losses each year. With 11 players out of contract perhaps there is some serious review of our PL viabilty going on at Board level. That itself will limit our options.

[Lord Kangana]

Exactly where I'm at.

I don't think this is 2007 or 2009. It would appear that theres a whole other set of problems to face this time out.

Of course, if we suddenly find £20M+ in the January window...

[Lennon'sEleven]

But we have players in the squad that can do the protecting job, that's what's baffling me. Looking at the team on Saturday, how can you play Pratley, Eagles, Mark Davies, Tuncay, Klasnic and Davies in front of the back four?

The defenders must have been thinking 'great. We are exposed yet again'

NRC? Muamba? Both? Neither of them just doesn't add up to me. Tactically foolish.

[Jakerbeef]

I guess I have reached the point where I would not be gutted if he was sacked - but still at the point where my response would be governed by the quality of his replacement - I am not in the "anyone is better" club. I am also still at the stage where I hope that we win the next 2 games and confidence turns and Coyle and the players rediscover their mojo - but that is more in hope than expectation. For me, the difference with Coyle over Megson is that I WANTED Megson to be sacked... I don't WANT Coyle to be sacked.

I'm with CAPS in thinking that it is not a miracle that we need - it's not even christmas yet - there's a long way to go - but what is needed is for the side to be properly organised and motivated and giving 100% If there is a managerial candidate who can do that with the players we've got (they are not talentless) - then I'd willingly give him a chance.

where I am NOT is at any point that involves such evident "glee" at Coyles demise or personal vitriol, which is why I react to BWFCi's posts. In fact it is probably BWFCi's tone that has kept me so long in the "give Coyle some time" camp.

the tipping point for me was this Villa game... at home - perfect opportunity.. thrown away without a whimper and with seemingly no heart for the fight... a sad day indeed...

Yes, pretty much this.

The major problem for me is that he seems incapable of a tactical shakeup. He's continually making the same errors that Megson was crucified for- picking the wrong players, in the wrong positions and not learning from his mistakes.

We're not going to score our way out of this mess. Remember when we went game after game after game with Meggo, unable to keep a clean sheet? This is turning into the same. We need to look like we can manage a few bloody draws at least...

[YtarmyYtarmy]

I guess I have reached the point where I would not be gutted if he was sacked - but still at the point where my response would be governed by the quality of his replacement - I am not in the "anyone is better" club. I am also still at the stage where I hope that we win the next 2 games and confidence turns and Coyle and the players rediscover their mojo - but that is more in hope than expectation. For me, the difference with Coyle over Megson is that I WANTED Megson to be sacked... I don't WANT Coyle to be sacked.

I'm with CAPS in thinking that it is not a miracle that we need - it's not even christmas yet - there's a long way to go - but what is needed is for the side to be properly organised and motivated and giving 100% If there is a managerial candidate who can do that with the players we've got (they are not talentless) - then I'd willingly give him a chance.

where I am NOT is at any point that involves such evident "glee" at Coyles demise or personal vitriol, which is why I react to BWFCi's posts. In fact it is probably BWFCi's tone that has kept me so long in the "give Coyle some time" camp.

the tipping point for me was this Villa game... at home - perfect opportunity.. thrown away without a whimper and with seemingly no heart for the fight... a sad day indeed...

Excellent points and the parts in Bold just about sums it up for me also

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

But we have players in the squad that can do the protecting job, that's what's baffling me. Looking at the team on Saturday, how can you play Pratley, Eagles, Mark Davies, Tuncay, Klasnic and Davies in front of the back four?

The defenders must have been thinking 'great. We are exposed yet again'

NRC? Muamba? Both? Neither of them just doesn't add up to me. Tactically foolish.

Indeed. As you may have noticed, I've been far from quick to deride Coyle, but his tactics seem to have gone from naive to disastrous. Even as hay was made in sunshine we worried if there was a plan B for the inevitable rainy day; now, monsoon-drenched, he appears unable to keep our heads above water.

For a man so fond of mentioning "fine margins" he should be aware that our success last season was dependent on a statistically astonishing number of tackles from Holden and Muamba. He can't help the former's injury, but the absence of the latter seems at best petty and at worst disastrously myopic. Mark Davies may have just about enough defensive nous to survive alongside a proper central midfielder. So might Darren Pratley. Putting them together in central midfield while Muamba sits unused is tantamount to waving Villa through. The Villa fans at work are genuinely astonished by how competent we made them look; apparently 'Stan' Petrov hasn't had an easier game all season. Sadly, that seems to be happening increasingly often - too often for survival.

Coyle says if he had the "resources" he would change the team. It's on this poverty-stricken basis that some noble posters defend him. Fair enough, but how we got where we are is almost immaterial when he seems unable to marshall the resources he has. Sorry to bang on about the need for a tackling midfielder – I so wish I didn't have to – but he had the resource and didn't employ it. Sad as it is to admit, I no longer believe he has the wherewithal to get us out of the situation we're in.

I don't imagine for a moment that under the current management we'll never win again. I don't imagine for very many moments that under the current management we'll win enough to stay up. Something has to change, whether it's the appointment of an experienced assistant and a new coach, or the simple end of the Coyle era.

Anyone kidding himself that life is preferable in the second tier - a marvellously unpredictable, open race I'd hate to be involved in – is suffering a lack of experience or a surfeit of nostalgia. I don't know if relegation would finish off the club but I do know that we're in the middle of a deepening global debt crisis and now would be an astonishingly bad time to be relying on credit. I also think that a midfield of Tuncay, Pratley, MDavies and Eagles would struggle to get us promoted even if it were available. We have good players at this club. We don't appear to have a manager capable of utilising them or a coaching set-up capable of improving them.

[BWFC_Insane]

I guess I have reached the point where I would not be gutted if he was sacked - but still at the point where my response would be governed by the quality of his replacement - I am not in the "anyone is better" club. I am also still at the stage where I hope that we win the next 2 games and confidence turns and Coyle and the players rediscover their mojo - but that is more in hope than expectation. For me, the difference with Coyle over Megson is that I WANTED Megson to be sacked... I don't WANT Coyle to be sacked.

I'm with CAPS in thinking that it is not a miracle that we need - it's not even christmas yet - there's a long way to go - but what is needed is for the side to be properly organised and motivated and giving 100% If there is a managerial candidate who can do that with the players we've got (they are not talentless) - then I'd willingly give him a chance.

where I am NOT is at any point that involves such evident "glee" at Coyles demise or personal vitriol, which is why I react to BWFCi's posts. In fact it is probably BWFCi's tone that has kept me so long in the "give Coyle some time" camp.

the tipping point for me was this Villa game... at home - perfect opportunity.. thrown away without a whimper and with seemingly no heart for the fight... a sad day indeed...

Glee? You're not very good at reading people. Glee? feck off.

Come to the Reebok week in week out and watch what I am.

It's not glee it's fecking anger at shelling out for a season ticket and having to watch this tripe. Fecking furious that our manager, is so clueless and our team so apathetic and uninterested on the whole.

I wanted Coyle to succeed more than anyone. Desperate for him to do well. I've had doubts on him since Wembley and the back end of last season. I said that this summer would be a big test for him. I was worried at the way we performed in the tricky run of fixtures against the big boys. Everyone on here said we'd be fine once we'd got that out the way, sadly they were wrong. We aren't fine.

I'm gutted. But mostly frustrated that we are in this position because we have a 'nice man in charge who used to play for us'. Were it anyone else questions would have been asked by the majority of supporters far earlier. More pressure applied. I think the players need a big fecking kick up the arse. Perhaps they'd have gotten one if it wasn't Coyle in charge.

I've stuck with Owen at times when people I've sat with at the ground have not been happy at all with him. I was mega impresses by him at the fans forum. Said so on here along with Bruce. Dont try and make out that ive been against him the whole time, waiting for him to fail, thats simply not accurate. The happy clappy Owen is a nice guy and we'll be reef stuff really has mainly been on this forum. The ground has been a different story. Nobody wants Coyle out chants and rightly so, but certainly if you think Im one of his main critics get yourselves to the ESL on a Saturday and see what's being said....