The club has given up...

[BWFC_Insane]

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Coyle is saying here that he's done all he can and clearly he has lost the players, with the whole 'not everyone is as passionate as me'

He's waving the White flag, asking for the boot and a pay off.

Gartside is saying he is the 'long term man'

Fecking great. Given up big style.

Might go and chuck me season ticket at that useless Scottish bastard on boxing day then.

[thebish]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Coyle.html?

Coyle is saying here that he's done all he can and clearly he has lost the players, with the whole 'not everyone is as passionate as me'

He's waving the White flag, asking for the boot and a pay off.

Gartside is saying he is the 'long term man'

Fecking great. Given up big style.

Might go and chuck me season ticket at that useless Scottish bastard on boxing day then.

you go and do that then.

[BWFC_Insane]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Coyle.html?

Coyle is saying here that he's done all he can and clearly he has lost the players, with the whole 'not everyone is as passionate as me'

He's waving the White flag, asking for the boot and a pay off.

Gartside is saying he is the 'long term man'

Fecking great. Given up big style.

Might go and chuck me season ticket at that useless Scottish bastard on boxing day then.

you go and do that then.

Well why not? I wonder how they are accounting for the huge loss in revenue for next season? Are Tesco buying the East stand?

[thebish]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Coyle.html?

Coyle is saying here that he's done all he can and clearly he has lost the players, with the whole 'not everyone is as passionate as me'

He's waving the White flag, asking for the boot and a pay off.

Gartside is saying he is the 'long term man'

Fecking great. Given up big style.

Might go and chuck me season ticket at that useless Scottish bastard on boxing day then.

you go and do that then.

Well why not? I wonder how they are accounting for the huge loss in revenue for next season? Are Tesco buying the East stand?

like I said - you go and do that then. (dunno why you're asking me why not!)

[dasher]

Do we still have relegation clauses in the players contracts ? I know we used to do in the Allardyce era but we are a more established Prem club these days ?

[Andy Waller]

He can't really moan about the players when he picks the bloody team.

[ratbert]

Gartside is clearly either deluded in his never ending pleas for patience from the fans, or he knows how to cushion the financial blow of going down.

[Tombwfc]

The idea of sticking with a manager, accepting relegation and preparing for next is a terrible one.

Didn't work for Derby, won't work for us. Lose every week for an entire season and it's hard to turn it around without someone new to give the place a lift.

[Lord Kangana]

So thats the motive sorted, but what of the means?

Or, perhaps more pertinently, what if the board understand that taking the gamble now will push them to a level of debt that they could not sustain if they were to find themselves in The Championship?

[mrpiccollo]

we do need something though if we carry on with this same squad all season were doomed truly,
makes me think who could we find to come to us even half decent championship players would look down on us atm as our position in the league and financial clout is poor.

honestly we may be better playing our reserves atleast they would fight for it more than some of the lets be honest premadonnas we have

davies cm is a joke he cant defend to save his life
pratley cm is overworked and underskilled to compete (needs a run in a first team to settle)
skd st lost that edge that made him super
klasnic st petulant most matches and looked like he was feigning injury to avoid the christmas fixtures to me vs villa
eagles lw should be playing right side especially if we have tuncay on the pitch to play left side
ngog st 4 mil worth of bench warmer we couldent afford well done owen (simple fix play the lad)
robbo lb 1 player with heart - sadly its been half torn out by fans baying for his replacement
steinsson rb our best bpl right back (he is!!) injured or slagged for being crap
muamba cdm probably our best player after cahill in our first team squad allways benced even when we need cm strenght
knight cb great cb again slagged for not having ability to do what a 5ft10 st can on the ball
wheater cb overatted but good harsh red this season looks like we wont see him get first team till too late this year
jussi gk needs to either figure out how to stop playing average and find top form again or be dropped for longer than 1 game
tuncay cf needs to play in a position that will help him actually play
reocoker probably the best free player in bpl this year needs to be in the side his workrate makes the difference so many times

i reckon this sort of formation would help us and lineup but really cant see coyle doing it

4231
or 4222


GK jussi
RB boyata
CB cahill
CB knight
LB robbo

CDM reocoker
CDM muamba
these 2 playing here will make scoring past us a chore unlike how its been since last year

rw eagles or markdavies
cam/cf tuncay - markdavies or klasnic
lw tuncay petrov kakuta or eagles

st skd / ngog / klasnic


lost for choices going forward makes us being in the situation we are in atm a reall puzzle simply coyle is refusing to play defensive every team that plays us knows this and floods the cm positions and hammers us with crosses


(message to owen)------------------------------
get the big lads back in play like the last thing we can afford to do is concede if we dont concede we dont lose simple as hell everything else is a bonus ^^ lest we go down with a fckin whimper instead of a fckin roar

COYWM
i havent given up i still belive we can do this so
COYWM and CO owen ^^

[One Hump Or Two?]

"it is galling and a sad indictment of one or two that we only saw passion, energy and desire after being two down at half-time"

"It shouldn’t take a manager going into the dressing room with a few words to spark a group of players who are as well treated as they are".

"Far too often, individual players have been bettered by their direct opponent."

"If I had the right personnel, I would change it, but I don't have that luxury."

Wow. This is one of the biggest bits of managerial finger-pointing I've heard in a while. The players can't be with him any more at this point, surely.

Mind you, the French rugby coach said even worse about his players in the Rugby World Cup and they ended up nearly winning the final, so who the hell knows...

[mrpiccollo]

fact of the matter is as you said they probably arent with him anymore

nobody repects the boss whos your mate we all like to think we do and would but really we all need a boss whos a **** to put us in our place and keep us working hard

sadly coyle seems to have the me and my mates mentality to management and lots of players with not as much passion for the game and the club as him will not work well with that.

honestly i really do feel things can be changed but what we need is an experienced assistant for a while to help us not a wholesale change of manager.

[wanderers_on_tour]

Not denying that a change of management ( if financially possible) may be the best course of action but I agree with 90% of Owen's comments...just saying...

[Sponge]

fact of the matter is as you said they probably arent with him anymore

nobody repects the boss whos your mate we all like to think we do and would but really we all need a boss whos a **** to put us in our place and keep us working hard

sadly coyle seems to have the me and my mates mentality to management and lots of players with not as much passion for the game and the club as him will not work well with that.

honestly i really do feel things can be changed but what we need is an experienced assistant for a while to help us not a wholesale change of manager.

Yep, that was one of the complaints that surfaced in that leaked report by the England Rugby team: a number of players complained that although they liked Johnson as a man, he didn't have their respect as a manager – as someone they could look to when their backs were against the wall. I suspect we have the have the same scenario here.

[jmjhb]

Not denying that a change of management ( if financially possible) may be the best course of action but I agree with 90% of Owen's comments...just saying...

OC has brought all that on himself though.

[One Hump Or Two?]

Giving the team a public rocket is one thing. Alex Ferguson, probably the best motivator in the business, does it all the time.
But he takes care to keep the personal stuff behind closed doors. Note that he got rid of Keane as soon as Keane started pointing fingers at fellow players on MUTV.

OC seems to have gone straight from one classic management fault (being too friendly with the workers) to the other (public name-calling) without managing to pass through the correct way to do it, which is to be strict about standards but at the same time motivate people to meet them. Who would put themselves out for a boss who said that he didn't have the right personnel and would change them if he could? Not me.

[Jokers in White]

We need 31 points from 23 games to get to 40 points which would normally keep you up, so yeah i've give up too.

[boltonboris]

Mrpiccollo. Can you explain a 4-2-2-2 formation to me, whilst keeping a straight face please

[mrpiccollo]

basically 4222 is a widely used formation by teams like brazil / arsenal

it consists of

rb cb cb lb
cdm cdm
ram lam
st st


basically we would likely use our defence to win the ball and our midfield to pass it and our strikers to kick it into the net i know these new fangled formations are a bit mutch for you lads that think a cf is a striker a winger acam and a cf all in 1 but lets be honest footballs a very diferent game now.

for help i have found a website with modern football formations dumbed down for you heres a link to 4222

http://www.soccer-training-guide.com/4222.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


being that we have eagles petrov davies cyl holden kakuta tuncay who all play the ram or lam roles im sure this would be usefull as a formation choice for us being we need to shore up the defence while keeping some attacking form.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Probably shouldn't have answered the question..