Why is Coyle Wandering Off To The Championship

[Neo]

Its interesting and strange whats currently happening at your club. i am a fan of football and the premier league. I have followed your manager since he was promoted to the premier league with Burnley and traced his track record all the way back to scotland. He is still a good manager in my opinion better than some in better positions than him currently. But something seems to have gone very wrong at your club;

Has His Ego got The Better of Him And He Has Lost Your First Team

Every one has their flaws howebver good they are even Fergie at United and this season has shown Coyles's 'his ego'. His inability to accept he makes mistakes and not just his players will be his undoing. He seems currently to have a tedency to blame your players solely for the losses with out look at himself and his tactics contribution. If he does not win your first team players back around and drop his ego am afraid you will find yourseves doomed to wandering to the championship. That said i still believe he is a good manager and needs to learn from his mistakes quick or you trotters will pay for them.

Not Knowing And Deciding His First Team

If you look at Newcastle who are not that much better than you they were only back in the premiership last season. But one thing Pardew is doing right he knows his first team and he sticks with them which has given them confidence. Swooping and changing a fragile team low on confidence does not help. Look what happened with England when Capello kept doing that and balming the players and not his tactics?

On Your Midfield

Why is he not playing your best specialist left midfielder Petrov was he not also your captain at some point?
Kakuta should player on your right wing his the most explosive talented winger you have at your club why is he not playing him?
I rate Muamba and Reo Coker over Mark Davies and should be your main holding midfielders in my opinion the are proven in the premiership just lacking cofidence like the rest of your team currently.

On your Defense And Blackburn's Pace

You seem to play a high line with teams who have much faster players than yours currently which his strange. Your defenders do not have the confidence to pull off a high line. In fact your all team does not have the confidence to get away with a high line in your current dilemma and if you play it against Blackburn with the pace they have they will rip you apart like Aston Villa did. Coyle has to drop that high line system and drop your defenders deep with your holding midfileders helping them out until yoru team regains confidence atleast otherwise you are doomed. In my opinion Steinsson is better than Robinson and should play. You have experienced internationals in your squad and you keeping them on the bench. You need all the experience and quality you have to get you out your situation and for your sake i hope Coyle recognises that, makes up with your key senior players by taking responsibility and listening to his players not just his ego.

On Your Fowards

I do not think you have given Ngog a decent run in your team you have to remember he came to you from Liverpool so more than dropping him he should be encouraged with an arm around him. He is a talented youngster and i watched him while he was at liverpool his goals helped them out at the start of last season when Hogson gave him a chance. He has goals in him and you lot may disagree its your club after all but he should start with Klasnic whose your most on form foward with Kevin Davis coming off them bench if changes are needed or you need to see out the game with his defensive qualities.

There are Some Positives For You[

You still have a very good manager in Owen Coyle if he can get his head out his own arse and listen to his players. And in my opinion you currently still have a better squad than Norwich, Swansea, Wigan and Wolves you are on par with Sunderland at the moment. If Coyle can except his own mistakes and regains your teams trust and support. Only then can he win them over and motivate them again which is his strength to instill that confidence which will show in the second part of the season. Good Luck Trotters

[Annoyed Grunt]

You been talking to the Oracle?

[BWFC_Insane]

Can save you all that typing...

All you needed to say was...

He's just incredibly shit!

[Bruce Rioja]

Can save you all that typing...

All you needed to say was...

He's just incredibly shit!

Storming contribution.

[Armchair Wanderer]

1st half-season - brought feel-good factor back, similar team, added Holden
2nd season pt1 - very similar team to before but with Holden in CM and Elmander scoring
2nd season pt2 - very similar team to before, no Holden, Elmander plugs gaps in midfield, Sturridge scoring
3rd season - tinkering with defence and midfield a lot more than before, losing/lost the players, no-one scoring

In terms of defence you can make a claim for changing the back four he inherited from the previous manager, Steinsson, Knight and Robbo all have their problems. From memory he kept the defence fairly constant last year and has only started tinkering this year. Same with midfield, we made money out of selling Taylor and injuries have meant he's had to change things and not rely on a similar team to what he inherited.

So the conclusion is he's a great cheerleader, but not necessarily good at building his own teams. Just wondered what happened at Burnley and his other clubs?

[Neo]

You been talking to the Oracle?

I dont quite get that mate explain

[Neo]

Can save you all that typing...

All you needed to say was...

He's just incredibly shit!

Storming contribution.

i honestly do not think he is shit but i do believe he needs a competent number two who compliments his enthusiasm for an attacking approach with a defensive approach. Some who can make him see sense when he is getting it wrong it makes no sense playing a highline with a team thats as fragile and low on confidence as yours you have a decent squad of players despite popular believe

[Neo]

1st half-season - brought feel-good factor back, similar team, added Holden
2nd season pt1 - very similar team to before but with Holden in CM and Elmander scoring
2nd season pt2 - very similar team to before, no Holden, Elmander plugs gaps in midfield, Sturridge scoring
3rd season - tinkering with defence and midfield a lot more than before, losing/lost the players, no-one scoring

In terms of defence you can make a claim for changing the back four he inherited from the previous manager, Steinsson, Knight and Robbo all have their problems. From memory he kept the defence fairly constant last year and has only started tinkering this year. Same with midfield, we made money out of selling Taylor and injuries have meant he's had to change things and not rely on a similar team to what he inherited.

So the conclusion is he's a great cheerleader, but not necessarily good at building his own teams. Just wondered what happened at Burnley and his other clubs?

At Burnley he done quite well he made them punch above their weight remember when he took over there before they were promoted under him they were dubbed the giant killers for beating premieship clubs. At St Johnstone the only other meaning full job before Burnley he got them promoted and their fans hold him in high esteem he does have a track record of getting his teams to punch above their weight with good football. So there is more to him than just a cheer leader funny enough he is the complete opposite to your other one Big Sam if you brought both their styles togethers you would have a great Bolton manager.

Coyle's style highly depends on him having the players on board to enable him to be more effective with his motivational skills of getting the best out of them with positive football. Thatss why its called positive football you cannot play it with a disciplinarian type of manager unless you a Man City who can buy any one. He is not a Big Sam and never will be whose a 'negative football' disciplinarian and relies more on discipline and organisation so players liking him does not matter. Some one senior at your club should step in and dissolve whatever issue maybe going on between Coyle, your coaching staff and the players. If a resolution is not found you will go down. I cannot see no other reason for you bad performances you squad is decent and can do better with Coyle. If they are all back on the same wave length pulling in the same direction if he is to be effective with his motivational skills. Maybe you owner or CEO should step in and tell them 'listen lads if you do not get back on board with Coyle the alternative is a negative football discplinarian coming in. But more sensibly they all need to sit down and fully clear the air and some one senior at your club should organise that if Coyle does not due to his ego.

[BWFC_Insane]

Interesting thoughts.....

I think positivity can only take you so far...

Then you need some nouse and street fighting abilities, we don't have a team to play the way Owen wants, yet he seems incapable of change.

He's made too many mistakes in his time here for me to have confidence in him. I see him as a Keegan type, good at getting the ball rolling, and brilliant whilst its rolling downhill. Once a few stumbling blocks are hit though and momentum starts to wane, he's lacking in basic decision making, and an inability to pull people together in difficult times.

[bobo the clown]

Can save you all that typing...

All you needed to say was...

He's just incredibly shit!

BW, I realise you're hurting. We all are. But I think you need counselling.

[Peter Thompson]

But I think you need counselling.

Can I have some as well....

[bobo the clown]

But I think you need counselling.

Can I have some as well....

It's in the post PT.

[Neo]

Interesting thoughts.....

I think positivity can only take you so far...

Then you need some nouse and street fighting abilities, we don't have a team to play the way Owen wants, yet he seems incapable of change.

He's made too many mistakes in his time here for me to have confidence in him. I see him as a Keegan type, good at getting the ball rolling, and brilliant whilst its rolling downhill. Once a few stumbling blocks are hit though and momentum starts to wane, he's lacking in basic decision making, and an inability to pull people together in difficult times.

I think you just too hard on him you have to remember he is still a young competent manager and still learning with every season he is not a Kean at Blackburn or an Avram Grant. You have better players than Swansea or Norwich yet they play that way those are professional footballers give them some credit of course they can pass a ball those are the basics you are told as early as primary school level in a football career. Their passing and technic may not be as good as Arsenal players and Barcelona but of course they can pass a ball. I doubt that is the issue its player morale at this point has to be. I have watched some of your games and the other problem is that highline like have already mentioned which can only be played with a confident team that maybe your issue. Villas Boas tried it at Chelsea earlier in the season but their slump in form and confidence forced to have to abandon it plus you are right if you have slow defenders like Chelsea have Terry and you have Zat Knight you cannot play it without leaving youselves vulnerably exposed to pacey forwards. But like have said he is competent and still learning as manager at this level.

He has a track record he just needs to realise he has to learn from his mistakes alot faster at this level than where he has been previously because mistakes are much more costly for all concerned. He has obviously made a couple mistakes such as sending out the wrong messages he was bigger than his players at the start of your season and judging from his interviews also seems to have tried to take the diciplinarian approach at some point which does not suit him. He has to get your players back on board its that simple and currently it seems he needs a mediator to do that with in your club if it has not already happened. Funny enough with his motivational abilities he normally should be the perfect type of manager to lift your players in your current crisis but every one needs to wipe their slate clean and start over as if he has just arrived at your club.

[Whookam]

he is still a young competent manager and still learning with every season

[Bruce Rioja]

But I think you need counselling.

Can I have some as well....

You seem to have confused the practice of counselling with the doling out of miracles, PT.

[Footiefan]

Burnley fan - in peace.

Just wondering what the fans thought of Coyle now his Honeymoon is well and truly over.

Watched him at Burnley and although i was obviously impressed with his ability to get 110% out of his players, create enthusiasm, get them to play 60 games a season, etc - i was always concerned with his tactics, ability to read a game, ability to change a game, etc.

He is MR MOTIVATOR but after a season or two of "YOUR THE BEST" - "WE CAN BEAT THESE GUYS", etc, etc I was always concerned that he had nothing else in his locker, we were just seeing that at Burnley when he left us for you guys.

No hard feelings - but what i would like to know now is what you guys think of his ability to:-

Spot talent, pick a team, change a game (subs / formation changes, etc). You know real management stuff - cos as i say i was beginning to have my doubts, i truly don't think he's that good any at of the stuff that you need to be a truly GOOD manager.

What's your opinions??

[BWFC_Insane]

Burnley fan - in peace.

Just wondering what the fans thought of Coyle now his Honeymoon is well and truly over.

Watched him at Burnley and although i was obviously impressed with his ability to get 110% out of his players, create enthusiasm, get them to play 60 games a season, etc - i was always concerned with his tactics, ability to read a game, ability to change a game, etc.

He is MR MOTIVATOR but after a season or two of "YOUR THE BEST" - "WE CAN BEAT THESE GUYS", etc, etc I was always concerned that he had nothing else in his locker, we were just seeing that at Burnley when he left us for you guys.

No hard feelings - but what i would like to know now is what you guys think of his ability to:-

Spot talent, pick a team, change a game (subs / formation changes, etc). You know real management stuff - cos as i say i was beginning to have my doubts, i truly don't think he's that good any at of the stuff that you need to be a truly GOOD manager.
What's your opinions??

Its evident that he has weaknesses in all these areas. Whether he will learn...who knows...

He does seem to be all about the positivity which as you say, wears thin after a while. There have been warning signs especially last season, and I guess we all hoped that they wouldn't prove to be indicative, but they have been.

Sadly I think he's been found out rather quickly.