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Re: Contract expiry

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:09 pm

Quick update with the two new loans out.
DEC 2021
Xavier Amaechi (5/1/2001) – six-month loan from Hamburg, where he's contracted until 2023

JUNE 2022
Alex Baptiste (31/1/86)
Reiss Greenidge (10/8/96) - loaned to tier-5 Barnet for the season
Liam Edwards (2/10/96) - loaned to tier-6 Southport, initially for a month to mid-December
Liam Gordon (15/5/99)
Andrew Tutte (21/9/90)
Ali Crawford (30/7/91) - loaned to Scottish tier-1 St Johnstone until January
*Dennis Politic (5/3/00) - loaned to tier-4 Port Vale for the season
Nathan Delfouneso (2/2/91)

Young pros elapsing June 2022:
*Matthew Alexander (7/5/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Lancaster City for the season
*Luke Hutchinson (1/9/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Atherton Collieries until January
*Adam Senior (20/1/02) - loaned to tier-6 York City, initially for a month to mid-December
*Ryan Colvin (8/1/03)
*Jay Fitzmartin (14/9/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Stalybridge Celtic until January
*Fin Lockett (20/4/03)

JUNE 2023
Joel Dixon (9/12/93)
Harry Brockbank (26/9/98)
Ricardo Santos (18/6/95)
Will Aimson (3/6/94)
MJ Williams (6/11/95)
Kieran Lee (22/6/88)
*George Thomason (12/1/01)
Josh Sheehan (30/3/95)
*Ronan Darcy (4/11/00) - loaned to Norwegian tier-2 Sogndal until December
Lloyd Isgrove (12/1/93)
Elias Kachunga (22/4/92)
Amadou Bakayoko (1/1/96)
Eoin Doyle (12/3/88)

JUNE 2024
Gethin Jones (13/10/95)
George Johnston (1/9/98)
Declan John (30/6/95)
Dapo Afolayan (11/9/97)

*Underage for 2021/22 season, assuming EFL age rules don't change. No lengths given for extensions of Alexander and Senior contracts, so 2022 is an assumption.

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Re: Contract expiry

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:20 am

Tweaked – Senior's back, Edwards' loan extended, Colvin released – and ready to get busy in January.
DEC 2021
Xavier Amaechi (5/1/2001) – six-month loan from Hamburg, where he's contracted until 2023

JUNE 2022
Alex Baptiste (31/1/86)
Reiss Greenidge (10/8/96) - loaned to tier-5 Barnet for the season
Liam Edwards (2/10/96) - loaned to tier-6 Southport, initially for a month to mid-December then extended to early January
Liam Gordon (15/5/99)
Andrew Tutte (21/9/90)
Ali Crawford (30/7/91) - loaned to Scottish tier-1 St Johnstone, initially until January
*Dennis Politic (5/3/00) - loaned to tier-4 Port Vale for the season
Nathan Delfouneso (2/2/91)

Young pros elapsing June 2022:
*Matthew Alexander (7/5/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Lancaster City for the season
*Luke Hutchinson (1/9/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Atherton Collieries until January
*Adam Senior (20/1/02)
*Jay Fitzmartin (14/9/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Stalybridge Celtic until January
*Fin Lockett (20/4/03)

JUNE 2023
Joel Dixon (9/12/93)
Harry Brockbank (26/9/98)
Ricardo Santos (18/6/95)
Will Aimson (3/6/94)
MJ Williams (6/11/95)
Kieran Lee (22/6/88)
*George Thomason (12/1/01)
Josh Sheehan (30/3/95)
*Ronan Darcy (4/11/00) - loaned to Norwegian tier-2 Sogndal until December
Lloyd Isgrove (12/1/93)
Elias Kachunga (22/4/92)
Amadou Bakayoko (1/1/96)
Eoin Doyle (12/3/88)

JUNE 2024
Gethin Jones (13/10/95)
George Johnston (1/9/98)
Declan John (30/6/95)
Dapo Afolayan (11/9/97)

*Underage for 2021/22 season, assuming EFL age rules don't change. No lengths given for extensions of Alexander and Senior contracts, so 2022 is an assumption.

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Re: Contract expiry

Post by The_Gun » Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:58 pm

I think I saw that young Fin Lockett was back on the grass in late October, so hopefully he’ll be back in contention come January. He seemed to be the big hope from that generation, and I believe came close to joining Wolves pre-injury, so it’ll be interesting to see how the club handle his comeback.

Ordinarily I’d say an immediate non-league loan was likely, but with his contract up in the summer, I wonder whether Evatt might opt to keep him around the first team to assess the merit of offering him a new deal.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:36 pm

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Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:58 pm
I think I saw that young Fin Lockett was back on the grass in late October, so hopefully he’ll be back in contention come January. He seemed to be the big hope from that generation, and I believe came close to joining Wolves pre-injury, so it’ll be interesting to see how the club handle his comeback.

Ordinarily I’d say an immediate non-league loan was likely, but with his contract up in the summer, I wonder whether Evatt might opt to keep him around the first team to assess the merit of offering him a new deal.
It’s an interesting question, keying into a bigger area. Fin has plenty of time yet: he’s only 18. To put that in context, he won’t count as an overage player until season 2025/26.

I mention a bigger area because our whole youth system has been knocked sideways over the last five years due to our near-death experience. What should in a good club be a smooth pathway to the first team door has been pulled in two very different but ultimately damaging directions: either kids have been thrown into the first team far too young, or the whole system has been pulled apart so they can’t progress at the right pace.

We’ve junked the U23 team, figuring it wasn’t worth it – too much money and not enough end product. Whatever the rights and wrongs of that decision, we now have a hole in our development pathway. That was supposed to be filled by the reserves, but according to the official site they’ve played a total of three times.

Some of the best lads have been sent on loans. Four 2002 births – Matty Alexander, Luke Hutchinson, Jay Fitzmartin and Adam Senior – have been lent to tier-seven teams. Senior did well enough to get a loan promotion (York are tier six) and then come back and help us out.

There’s an U18 team, which (again, according to the official site) has 10 players, including recent subs Max Conway, Arran Pettifer and Mitch Henry, plus Fin Lockett and a few lads who got minutes in the “second XI” friendlies of late pre-season - Lamine Toure, Max Wilcox, Max Tweedley.

But it doesn’t feel like we’ve hired many late-academy kids discarded by the plethora of local Big Clubs. I really expected this to be a growth area for us: picking up players who haven’t quite made the grade at the Rags, City, Liverpool, Everton etc and putting them in the reserves, there to knock on the first team door.

They definitely exist. Let’s just look at Man City’s young goalkeepers as an example. They released four in summer: Pierce Charles (16) went to Sheff Wed, James Wright (16) went to Villa, Louie Moulden (18, Paul’s lad) went to Wolves and Dan Grimshaw (22) went to Blackpool. (They also loaned out Gavin Bazunu, 18, to Pompey; James Trafford, 18, to Accy; and Arijanet Muric, 22, to a Turkish club.)

IDK, maybe we can’t compete on wages, maybe we had trials and nobody was good enough, or maybe we missed out on the trial timings because (1) we didn’t have a reserves manager, Sam Hird still being at Barrow and (2) we weren’t sure what division we were going to be in. It’s also not something that’s going to get solved in January, summer being when the churn happens. I just hope we’re going to be more ‘on it’ than we look right now.

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Re: Contract expiry

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:06 pm

Updated with:
• outs (Crawford, Doyle)
• ins (Charles, Fossey, Morley)
• returnees from loan (Hutchinson, Darcy)
• extended loan in (Amaechi)
• extended loan out (Edwards).

By my reckoning, we have 20 overage outfielders, leaving us two more spaces – although we have the option of deregistering long-term injured Sheehan and perhaps Tutte, while I expect there'll be outward moves for some fringe players.

JUNE 2022
Marlon Fossey (9/11/98) (six-month loan from Fulham, where he's contracted to 2023)
Alex Baptiste (31/1/86)
Reiss Greenidge (10/8/96) - loaned to tier-5 Barnet for the season
Liam Edwards (2/10/96) - loaned to tier-6 Southport for the season
Liam Gordon (15/5/99)
Andrew Tutte (21/9/90)
*Dennis Politic (5/3/00) - loaned to tier-4 Port Vale for the season
Xavier Amaechi (5/1/2001) – loan from Hamburg, where he's contracted until 2023
Nathan Delfouneso (2/2/91)

Young pros elapsing June 2022:
*Matthew Alexander (7/5/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Lancaster City for the season
*Luke Hutchinson (1/9/02)
*Adam Senior (20/1/02)
*Jay Fitzmartin (14/9/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Stalybridge Celtic until January
*Fin Lockett (20/4/03)

JUNE 2023
Joel Dixon (9/12/93)
Harry Brockbank (26/9/98)
Ricardo Santos (18/6/95)
Will Aimson (3/6/94)
MJ Williams (6/11/95)
Kieran Lee (22/6/88)
*George Thomason (12/1/01)
Josh Sheehan (30/3/95)
*Ronan Darcy (4/11/00)
Lloyd Isgrove (12/1/93)
Elias Kachunga (22/4/92)
Amadou Bakayoko (1/1/96)

JUNE 2024
Gethin Jones (13/10/95)
George Johnston (1/9/98)
Declan John (30/6/95)
Dapo Afolayan (11/9/97)

JUNE 2025
*Aaron Morley (27/2/00)
Dion Charles (7/10/95)

*Underage for 2021/22 season, assuming EFL age rules don't change. No lengths given for extensions of Alexander and Senior contracts, so 2022 is an assumption.

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Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:12 pm

Nothing says "back the manager" like 3.5 year deals and cash outlays.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:41 pm

What's the latest on Isgrove? He/'s one I always feel better seeing him in the side...
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Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:48 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
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What's the latest on Isgrove? He/'s one I always feel better seeing him in the side...
We've replaced him with a data lake....

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Re: Contract expiry

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:07 pm

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We've replaced him with a data lake....
An Egyptian winger called Shi'ite Al-Gorythm?

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:47 pm

Updated with Trafford and Bod incoming; Politic, Brocky and Senior outgoing. And with the hope that, as usually happens, within 24 hours of me updating it someone else arrives.

By my reckoning, we have 20 overage outfielders, leaving us two more spaces – although we have the option of deregistering long-term injured Sheehan and perhaps Tutte, while I expect there'll be outward moves for some fringe players.

JUNE 2022
*James Trafford (10/10/02) (six-month loan from Man City; contract length unknown)
Marlon Fossey (9/11/98) (six-month loan from Fulham, where he's contracted to 2023)
Alex Baptiste (31/1/86)
Reiss Greenidge (10/8/96) - loaned to tier-5 Barnet for the season
Liam Edwards (2/10/96) - loaned to tier-6 Southport for the season
Liam Gordon (15/5/99)
Andrew Tutte (21/9/90)
Xavier Amaechi (5/1/2001) – loan from Hamburg, where he's contracted until 2023
Nathan Delfouneso (2/2/91)

Young pros elapsing June 2022:
*Matthew Alexander (7/5/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Lancaster City for the season
*Luke Hutchinson (1/9/02)
*Adam Senior (20/1/02) - loaned to tier-6 Chorley until June
*Jay Fitzmartin (14/9/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Stalybridge Celtic until January
*Fin Lockett (20/4/03)

JUNE 2023
Joel Dixon (9/12/93)
Ricardo Santos (18/6/95)
Will Aimson (3/6/94)
MJ Williams (6/11/95)
Kieran Lee (22/6/88)
*George Thomason (12/1/01)
Josh Sheehan (30/3/95)
*Ronan Darcy (4/11/00)
Lloyd Isgrove (12/1/93)
Elias Kachunga (22/4/92)
Amadou Bakayoko (1/1/96)
Jon Dadi Bodvarsson (25/5/92)

JUNE 2024
Gethin Jones (13/10/95)
George Johnston (1/9/98)
Declan John (30/6/95)
Dapo Afolayan (11/9/97)

JUNE 2025
*Aaron Morley (27/2/00)
Dion Charles (7/10/95)

*Underage for 2021/22 season, assuming EFL age rules don't change. No lengths given for most recent extensions of Alexander and Senior contracts, so 2022 is an assumption.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:03 pm

Final winter-window update: Dempsey and Sadlier in, Delf and Darcy out.

Overall...
IN (permanent): Charles, Morley, Bodvarsson, Sadlier, Dempsey
IN (loan): Fossey, Amaechi (extended), Trafford
OUT (permanent): Crawford, Doyle, Brockbank, Politic
OUT (loan): Senior, Delfouneso, Darcy

JUNE 2022
*James Trafford (10/10/02) (six-month loan from Man City; contract length unknown)
Marlon Fossey (9/11/98) (six-month loan from Fulham, where he's contracted to 2023)
Alex Baptiste (31/1/86)
Reiss Greenidge (10/8/96) - loaned to tier-5 Barnet for the season
Liam Edwards (2/10/96) - loaned to tier-6 Southport for the season
Liam Gordon (15/5/99)
Andrew Tutte (21/9/90)
*Xavier Amaechi (5/1/2001) – loan from Hamburg, where he's contracted until 2023
Nathan Delfouneso (2/2/91) - loaned to tier-4 Bradford for the season

Young pros elapsing June 2022:
*Matthew Alexander (7/5/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Lancaster City for the season
*Luke Hutchinson (1/9/02)
*Adam Senior (20/1/02) - loaned to tier-6 Chorley until June
*Jay Fitzmartin (14/9/02) - youth loan to tier-7 Stalybridge Celtic until January
*Fin Lockett (20/4/03)

JUNE 2023
Joel Dixon (9/12/93)
Ricardo Santos (18/6/95)
Will Aimson (3/6/94)
MJ Williams (6/11/95)
Kieran Lee (22/6/88)
*George Thomason (12/1/01)
Josh Sheehan (30/3/95)
*Ronan Darcy (4/11/00) – (loaned to Scottish third-tier Queen's Park for the season)
Lloyd Isgrove (12/1/93)
Elias Kachunga (22/4/92)
Amadou Bakayoko (1/1/96)
Jon Dadi Bodvarsson (25/5/92)

JUNE 2024
Gethin Jones (13/10/95)
George Johnston (1/9/98)
Declan John (30/6/95)
Kyle Dempsey (17/9/95)
Kieran Sadlier (14/9/94)
Dapo Afolayan (11/9/97)

JUNE 2025
*Aaron Morley (27/2/00)
Dion Charles (7/10/95)

*Underage for 2021/22 season, assuming EFL age rules don't change. No lengths given for most recent extensions of Alexander and Senior contracts, so 2022 is an assumption.

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Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:07 am

I'll be surprised if Rico doesn't get a new deal before the summer and I imagine Fossey will soon join the 2024/25 brigade.

Nobody's contract worries me in the least. We have professionals running the show and I love it.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:35 am

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Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:07 am
I'll be surprised if Rico doesn't get a new deal before the summer and I imagine Fossey will soon join the 2024/25 brigade.

Nobody's contract worries me in the least. We have professionals running the show and I love it.
If that happened, I think I’d be happy that everyone due to lapse in summer 2023 had to prove they deserve an extension next season rather than being replaced by upgrades over the next two/three windows. Maybe Sheehan and MJ, but we are now deep in central midfielders. And it’s not fanciful to think that by summer 2023 we might be looking at retooling for a new challenge…

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Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:45 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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If that happened, I think I’d be happy that everyone due to lapse in summer 2023 had to prove they deserve an extension next season rather than being replaced by upgrades over the next two/three windows. Maybe Sheehan and MJ, but we are now deep in central midfielders. And it’s not fanciful to think that by summer 2023 we might be looking at retooling for a new challenge…
Absolutely. There are a few in there where it'll be a case of "thank you for your service."

I actually think we'll do rather a lot of business again in the summer, despite protestations from Evatt that he doesn't want more big windows. If we go up I'm certain that's the case, if we don't we may be forced into it regardless by a bid or two.

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Post by sonicthewhite » Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:52 am

My take on those whose contracts expire this summer;

*James Trafford (10/10/02) I reckon unless we acquire a significant upgrade we'd be looking to extend his loan for another 12mths.
Marlon Fossey (9/11/98) We'll (almost) break the bank to keep him.
Alex Baptiste (31/1/86) Released. May go in to coaching but would we keep him if he did?
Reiss Greenidge (10/8/96) Released.
Liam Edwards (2/10/96) Another loan somewhere or probably released.
Liam Gordon (15/5/99) Released.
Andrew Tutte (21/9/90) Released.
*Xavier Amaechi (5/1/2001) – Possibly an extended loan with us.
Nathan Delfouneso (2/2/91) - Released.

Out of the youngsters probably only Alexander and Hutchison to be kept on with all the others being released.
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Post by Prufrock » Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:07 am

The kids would all be underage for at least another year. I'd be v surprised if Senior and Lockett (injury recovery dependent) at the very least weren't given another deal.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:11 am

sonicthewhite wrote:
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My take on those whose contracts expire this summer;

*James Trafford (10/10/02) I reckon unless we acquire a significant upgrade we'd be looking to extend his loan for another 12mths.
Marlon Fossey (9/11/98) We'll (almost) break the bank to keep him.
Alex Baptiste (31/1/86) Released. May go in to coaching but woould we keep him if he did?
Reiss Greenidge (10/8/96) Released.
Liam Edwards (2/10/96) Another loan somewhere or probably released.
Liam Gordon (15/5/99) Released.
Andrew Tutte (21/9/90) Released.
*Xavier Amaechi (5/1/2001) – Possibly an extended loan with us.
Nathan Delfouneso (2/2/91) - Released.

Out of the youngsters probably only Alexander and Hutchison to be kept on with all the other being released.
Yeah, that all makes sense.

I can't see any evidence of City having given Trafford a contract since 2020, so he may be up for renewal in the summer; if they offer he'll surely stay, as he's ambitious, but another loan would probably suit all parties.

Keep Fossey, release the rest and get upgrades. Amaechi - case yet to be proven, let's see how he does. If we end this season strongly we may be fishing in a whole new pool in summer.

Kids-wise, IDK - I don't see them enough but generally I wouldn't rush to release players when we're underpowered at that 18-23 level. Senior certainly deserves a long look, IMO.

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Re: Contract expiry

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:18 am

With Xav, it's worth remembering he is only just 21. Over 3.5 years younger than Dapo. Evatt clearly massively rates the kid and I understand why. People have written him off due to viewing him as "injury prone", but in reality he had one impact injury and recovered well, then had a minor set back due to the covid break not allowing him to stay fit. Even if he's not in the first team by summer I suspect we might try to do something there.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:22 am

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Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:18 am
With Xav, it's worth remembering he is only just 21. Over 3.5 years younger than Dapo. Evatt clearly massively rates the kid and I understand why. People have written him off due to viewing him as "injury prone", but in reality he had one impact injury and recovered well, then had a minor set back due to the covid break not allowing him to stay fit. Even if he's not in the first team by summer I suspect we might try to do something there.
I agree entirely but wages will be a big barrier. As will the fact that he probably doesn’t naturally fit into the system we have now.

Having said that I’d love to see him with Charles and Sadler for example as they are players Xav would be on same wavelength as.

My suspicion is Xav is an option were Dapo to go.

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Re: Contract expiry

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:49 am

I don't think we'd have brought him in from his exile on the banks of the Elbe if we didn't think something could be done with him eventually. At his age football will usually overcome 12 months on slightly more money, because if he doesn't play regularly next season his wage offers after that will be paltry. Could be an issue, but I think all parties will have had an eye on overcoming it.

As to not fitting into this system, I think I probably disagree. Whether a player can or can't play a role in a system is only partly down to familiarity. Nobody is born a left back or a left winger, your skill set says whether you can do it or not. I think he has all the tools to play one of the attacking roles in this system, all of which are fairly flexible.

I do think people will need to make allowances for his age and length of lay off. Given some of the bollocks now being spoken about him on social media I fear he may not get that.

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