442, Al Habsi and dreaded goal dif ...

[bigdaz]

Its very possible Goal Dif will send us down which has been made worse by playing out dated 4 4 2 ( lets play 2 inferior midfielders against 3 world class ones ! ) tosh and also the farce that is ALHAbsi / Jussi / Bogdan the flapper

442 - I know its been done to death but can Coyle not see that when we play 442 against strong teams we dont just get beat we get thumped, when we go down on goal diff will Coyle finally realize getting battered 4 , 5 - 1 by the likes of Chelsea , Spurs etc did actually make a difference, had we tightened up and only lost by 1 or 2 goals in games like this we would be in a better position .

On Al Habsi - I get the fact we are skint and the team is now full of championship players but why didnt we sell Jussi 1 - 2 years ago , lots of people could see he was on the slide back then but im sure someone would have picked him up for 2 - 3 mil, from memory we got 4 mil for AlHabsi who im guessing was on less pm than Jussi ? AlHabsi was and still is in blinding form had he been made no1 before he went to wigan he would have stayed and our goal diff would not be as bad as it is now . Which leads me onto Bogdan , the best I can say about him is he has been thrown in too early , he always looks like a really nervous keeper , i cant remember seeing a keeper who spills it as often as he does, last night he did it again, why was he made no 1 in a relegation fight ? , maybe next year he will be the better for it but we will be relegated prob on goal diff , an experienced Jussi would be so much better where we are now even if he has dipped from his peak but the real one for me is why did we sell AlHabsi for 4 mil keep Jussi who we could have sold for 2 -3 mil and then not play him, Bad Bad Management

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

why did we sell AlHabsi for 4 mil keep Jussi who we could have sold for 2 -3 mil

We sold Al-Habsi because someone wanted to buy him. Like, immediately. Who pays £2-3m for a 36-year-old? I know keepers play on to a more advanced age, but are there any who move for the sort of money at that age? Furthermore, would anybody have paid that much if we were obviously auctioning him?

keep Jussi who we could have sold for 2 -3 mil and then not play him, Bad Bad Management

Bogdan came in and stayed in because Jussi lost form and Bogdan played well. You can't pick a team based on salary, but on ability and form. What you can do is renegotiate contracts based on necessity. Jussi's is up this summer, and he won't be getting what he gets now. That would be bad management.

[truewhite15]

What bullshit. Bogdan's been class since he came in, hence why Jussi (who has been tosh) can't get his place back. Move onto the next scapegoat in line, I'm sure you've got one in mind.

[BWFC_Insane]

What bullshit. Bogdan's been class since he came in, hence why Jussi (who has been tosh) can't get his place back. Move onto the next scapegoat in line, I'm sure you've got one in mind.

I'd take issue with that.

He's been good some games, but bloody awful in parts....

[bigdaz]

Bogdan has not been class since he came in ! , I was behind the goal last night when he spilled a simple ball , just like I was against Chelsea when he did the same more than once , even so called football experts say he has a mistake per game in him , you might not like it but they are right .

I remember saying on another forum about a year ago Jussi was on the slide and we should be doing everything to keep Alhabsi , not surprisingly I got a similar response then , was you there last night ?

[newboy]

Always said selling al Habsi was a mistake and would come back and bite us much better keeper than either Jussi or Bogdan and should never have been sold.

[Hoboh]

Always said selling al Habsi was a mistake and would come back and bite us much better keeper than either Jussi or Bogdan and should never have been sold.

I'm with you all the way there! Said a couple of years ago Jussi was turning pussy but got ridiculed for my trouble

[wanderers_on_tour]

IMO Bogdan and Al Habsi are 2 sides of the same coin, lets not forget Al Habi has had a few 'mares since joining Wigan. Bogdan is young and will only get better, maybe this year was a bit too much, too soon but so be it. He is still very, very talented though so let's not get into the whole 'grass is greener' frame of mind.

I guess in the short term you'd have to say Al Habsi > Bogdan > Jussi, although in 2/3 years time I think Bogdan will be one of the bestkeepers in the country.

[TANGODANCER]

Few goalkeepers rate world class in the Premiership when the players in front of them are found wanting so often. Goal 1, an unstoppable strike, goal 2, No chance, goal 3, tap-in, goal 4, who saves a one on one with Adebayor in acres of space?. Bogdan to blame for absolutely nothing last night.

[thebish]

Always said selling al Habsi was a mistake and would come back and bite us much better keeper than either Jussi or Bogdan and should never have been sold.

well - he can't be that great - we've put 4 past him this season!!!

[truewhite15]

Bogdan has not been class since he came in ! , I was behind the goal last night when he spilled a simple ball , just like I was against Chelsea when he did the same more than once , even so called football experts say he has a mistake per game in him , you might not like it but they are right .

I remember saying on another forum about a year ago Jussi was on the slide and we should be doing everything to keep Alhabsi , not surprisingly I got a similar response then , was you there last night ?

Erm. Yes, I was, actually. And I was behind that same goal. And oddly enough, I saw Bogdan pick himself up and produce a stunning stop to keep out Van Der Vaart who was odds on to put it in the back of the net. You might have missed that in your attempt to pick a scapegoat. Bogdan's done nothing wrong post-Chelsea, and Al Habsi has not, in any way, shape, or form, been this god-like mountain of goalkeeping perfection. He's had his fair share of errors.

[Jakerbeef]

I think the fact of the matter is Bogdan is the only choice.

Better in the air than Jussi, more mobile and a better shot stopper. Faster at sweeping through-balls. He's taken over in every dept and I think we saw at the start of the season that Jussi was close to past it, unfortunately.

Is Bogdan better than Al-Habsi? Probably not, but I think they are both prone to an off day. If we go down it'll be our tactics and defence, not our keeper.

[wanderers_on_tour]

How about the last time we played Spurs at WHL in the cup? Didn't look too shabby then did he?

[Tombwfc]

Al Habsi is the most overrated 'keeper we've probably ever had.

Saying that, I honestly don't see Bogdan as better than Jussi, at best there's nothing in it. Jussi obviously hasn't played in months so it's hard to judge, (he may have slid further, he may have recovered his form) but at this point in time I think Bogdan is a very average top-flight goalkeeper. Is he the reason we may go down? No, and he's a long way down the list of those that are.

[si2008]

nothing wrong in bogden last night ...the problem is the lot in front of him....other team forwards are gettin g through our defence so easy game after game ..

[YtarmyYtarmy]

Problem with Keepers they make a mistake in usually leads to a goal, as opposed to players in other positions. Persoanlly I think he's a great young keeper, who will help us next year get promoted back in to the Premier, should the inevitable happen. As with Al Habsi, I didnt wantto see him go, but as others have said 4 Million is still 4 million !

What did make me laugh last night, was the bloke behind me blamed him for the first goal FFS ! I dont think any keeper would of saved that, the blame should off been directed at the players who should be marking and closing down.

[norm the jedi]

Al Habsi is the most overrated 'keeper we've probably ever had.

Saying that, I honestly don't see Bogdan as better than Jussi, at best there's nothing in it. Jussi obviously hasn't played in months so it's hard to judge, (he may have slid further, he may have recovered his form) but at this point in time I think Bogdan is a very average top-flight goalkeeper. Is he the reason we may go down? No, and he's a long way down the list of those that are.

Nearly agree but Jussi has been poor under a high ball for a couple,of seasons and flaps, from what I've seen Boggers is strong on crosses and that could be a real bonus at Stoke where Jussi and a lot of others for that matter sh1t themselves under the bombardment.
Sure he ,makes the occasional error, everyone does but he is on the way up sadly juss,i who owes us nothing, is moving in the other direction and has been since his principal handling technique became batting everything away. Not much in it but Shaggy is ahead by a nose and will continue to pull away over the next couple of seasons.

[Jokers in White]

Bogdan has been excellent since he has come into the team, he's in a different league to the current jussi who was past his best 3yrs ago. Boggers actually shouts for the fcuking ball for a start never heard jussi shout once that's why we were conceding goals left, right, and centre at the start of the season, the defence didn't know if they were coming or going. Bogdan can kick a ball with both feet which is a massive plus for a goalkeeper, the bale shot last night moved in the air then to pull of that save from van der vaart straight after it was world class he's kept us in loads of games since he broke in the team we were undone by our two shit full backs last night, i felt sorry for bogdan.

[Bruce Rioja]

What bullshit. Bogdan's been class since he came in, hence why Jussi (who has been tosh) can't get his place back. Move onto the next scapegoat in line, I'm sure you've got one in mind.

I'd take issue with that.

He's been good some games, but bloody awful in parts....

Which is still a marked improvement on Jasskalainen who was shit in every game this season. He's got that whole Shilton thing going on of not even going for it then blaming everyone but himself.

[Prufrock]

That's it. We're going down because we sold Al-Habsi.

As for Boggers, I don't see it (by 'it' I mean this he has been amazing lark). He's done well, better than expected, but 'strong on crosses', get fooked he comes charging for things he gets nowhere near, and so many times he parries things right out in front. Bale last night 'stunning stop'? Oh. My. Days. Don't for a second think we'd have got fewer points with Jussi in the side. That said, maybe Norwich aside, I can't think how we'd have got more. Decent, yes, amazing, no. Same for Habsi. Keeper isn't why we'll go down.