Is anybody not convinced yet
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1-0 up and stopped looking a threat. Soaking up pressure. Isn't that what Megson was famous for?
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Owen Coyle has got to be the only manager in history to switch from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 when WINNING a game.
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Stopped looking a threat?
You've just posted we never looked a threat - not sure how you know unless you're still getting out of the ground
All I know is we played the 4-5-1 favoured by most folk who ever watch us play
We led
We changed it to 4-4-2 including Petrov, Mark Davies and Eagles
We then concede 2
Now, it may be the change of formation and conceding 2 goals aren't linked...
You've just posted we never looked a threat - not sure how you know unless you're still getting out of the ground
All I know is we played the 4-5-1 favoured by most folk who ever watch us play
We led
We changed it to 4-4-2 including Petrov, Mark Davies and Eagles
We then concede 2
Now, it may be the change of formation and conceding 2 goals aren't linked...
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Did Owen take off Klasnic though?Mar wrote:1-0 up and stopped looking a threat. Soaking up pressure. Isn't that what Megson was famous for?
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And Megson got sacked. What's your point?Mar wrote:1-0 up and stopped looking a threat. Soaking up pressure. Isn't that what Megson was famous for?
For all his faults, Megson never switched to a less disciplined formation when we were winning. He switched to more disciplined formations, just put the wrong players on to do it.
Fact is, Megson got sacked for not doing his job properly, for not seeing games out, for overseeing piss-poor performances week in, week out, with no indication that he knew how to improve the situation.
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No, he brought K Davies ON !!wanderers_on_tour wrote:Did Owen take off Klasnic though?Mar wrote:1-0 up and stopped looking a threat. Soaking up pressure. Isn't that what Megson was famous for?
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Owen Coyle hasn't got a clue.
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I actually think Coyle is less competent than Megson. Everyone remembers the infamous Gavin McCann substitution against Hull but at least that was grounded in reality. We were winning, so you bring on a defensive player.
I don’t know where Coyle learned to bring on a striker when 1-0 up.
I don’t know where Coyle learned to bring on a striker when 1-0 up.
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The famous rebuilding project continues with a one-man wrecking ball at the helm.
Maybe if we all hope, pray and be positive we'll generate enough good vibes that Stuey and Mooey will be fit to play 4-4-2 against Hull. That is the only chance we have of making these tactics work.
Maybe if we all hope, pray and be positive we'll generate enough good vibes that Stuey and Mooey will be fit to play 4-4-2 against Hull. That is the only chance we have of making these tactics work.
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Of course he's worse than fooking Megson. Megson knew it was a battle.H. Pedersen wrote:I actually think Coyle is less competent than Megson. Everyone remembers the infamous Gavin McCann substitution against Hull but at least that was grounded in reality. We were winning, so you bring on a defensive player.
I don’t know where Coyle learned to bring on a striker when 1-0 up.
Coyle hasn't got a fecking clue.
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I think thats the real tragedy. He really is worse than MegooBWFC_Insane wrote:Of course he's worse than fooking Megson. Megson knew it was a battle.H. Pedersen wrote:I actually think Coyle is less competent than Megson. Everyone remembers the infamous Gavin McCann substitution against Hull but at least that was grounded in reality. We were winning, so you bring on a defensive player.
I don’t know where Coyle learned to bring on a striker when 1-0 up.
Coyle hasn't got a fecking clue.
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Harry Genshaw wrote:I think thats the real tragedy. He really is worse than MegooBWFC_Insane wrote:Of course he's worse than fooking Megson. Megson knew it was a battle.H. Pedersen wrote:I actually think Coyle is less competent than Megson. Everyone remembers the infamous Gavin McCann substitution against Hull but at least that was grounded in reality. We were winning, so you bring on a defensive player.
I don’t know where Coyle learned to bring on a striker when 1-0 up.
Coyle hasn't got a fecking clue.
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I'm not that fussed about losing tonight (focus on the league and all that), even though we clearly should have won with the team we had out. The final nail in the coffin for me is the signing of Jay Spearing.
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I always hope that a game like this is where it finally kicks in that certain things aren't working. I like Coyle and I want him to succeed with Bolton but it's getting to the point where he really needs to show managerial ability. I don't want to hear "the boys played well in parts but we can't give away soft goals" or whatever else, I want to hear him say "I was wrong to change". I've defended Coyle a lot and I still want him at the club but he really, really needs to prove he's capable. If we line up with 4-4-2 against Hull and we under perform yet again, I might then be a part of the 'Coyle Out' group.
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Tonights excuse is the voices inside Coyle's head told him to do it.
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It's taking you an awful long time to get there. Isn't there anything we can get Coyle to do which might convince you more quickly. Perhaps he could murder a ball-boy or interfere with the Reebok Rebels. We can make him do it via the collective will of thousands of supporters you know. Or the power of prayer.SmokinFrazier wrote:I always hope that a game like this is where it finally kicks in that certain things aren't working. I like Coyle and I want him to succeed with Bolton but it's getting to the point where he really needs to show managerial ability. I don't want to hear "the boys played well in parts but we can't give away soft goals" or whatever else, I want to hear him say "I was wrong to change". I've defended Coyle a lot and I still want him at the club but he really, really needs to prove he's capable. If we line up with 4-4-2 against Hull and we under perform yet again, I might then be a part of the 'Coyle Out' group.
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You could argue that we were on the pitch so we were a threat but its all down to opinion. Personally I'd say being pressurized consistently without testing their keeper would be considered stopping looking a threat. As for never looking a threat that's down to surprising the opposition by going a goal up.CAPSLOCK wrote:Stopped looking a threat?
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I just think everything which happened last year could have happened to a good, Premier League level manager. I'm not saying that's what Coyle is but I don't think his failure was anywhere near as big as some people have made it out to be given the problems within the squad.bedwetter2 wrote:It's taking you an awful long time to get there. Isn't there anything we can get Coyle to do which might convince you more quickly. Perhaps he could murder a ball-boy or interfere with the Reebok Rebels. We can make him do it via the collective will of thousands of supporters you know. Or the power of prayer.SmokinFrazier wrote:I always hope that a game like this is where it finally kicks in that certain things aren't working. I like Coyle and I want him to succeed with Bolton but it's getting to the point where he really needs to show managerial ability. I don't want to hear "the boys played well in parts but we can't give away soft goals" or whatever else, I want to hear him say "I was wrong to change". I've defended Coyle a lot and I still want him at the club but he really, really needs to prove he's capable. If we line up with 4-4-2 against Hull and we under perform yet again, I might then be a part of the 'Coyle Out' group.
My stance on this year was that it was a new year, where we could hopefully build a bit of confidence and then with a full strength squad, we'd see the true level of where we're at. I wanted to give Coyle time to prove himself but the fact is, things have no started as I'd have hoped.
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I'll give you this, m'friend, you're not one to rush into a decision...SmokinFrazier wrote:I always hope that a game like this is where it finally kicks in that certain things aren't working. I like Coyle and I want him to succeed with Bolton but it's getting to the point where he really needs to show managerial ability. I don't want to hear "the boys played well in parts but we can't give away soft goals" or whatever else, I want to hear him say "I was wrong to change". I've defended Coyle a lot and I still want him at the club but he really, really needs to prove he's capable. If we line up with 4-4-2 against Hull and we under perform yet again, I might then be a part of the 'Coyle Out' group.
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