If I were Owen Coyle..

[TANGODANCER]

On Monday morning I'd have everybody in the dressing room and say....

"Right lads. Who doesn't see where we are right now, in the league, in the media view, and more importantly, with the fans? Come on then, let's hear it. None of you are getting good reviews, indeed, just the opposite, and I, as the manager am facing the sack. That's the blunt truth of it. I have to take some of the blame, I'm the manager, but answer me this: Did I ever tell any of you to leave fxcking great holes in the midfield? Did I ever tell you to stand ball watching and to wait for the ball to bounce? Did I ever tell you to panic clear the ball into no-mans land? Did I ever say adopt a heads-down attitude? Did I ever say just one of those things? I'm also being accused of signing rubbish players and that lads, means you. I did sign you and proving you aren't rubbish is way out of my hands.

Unless we change things drastically, starting right now, you may still be here, I won't. And if you play the same fxcking way with your next boss the same thing will happen again. I've made mistakes with my formations and my substitutions I can't argue, but we went out and played that way for forty-five minutes then collapsed like a popped balloon when they scored two soft goals that came from rubbish defending. That means you, you, you and you, so don't tell me that was my fault. Worse still, you did nothing till fifteen minutes from time when all they had to do was mass defend with a two goal lead. I make no excuses for lots of things and I fully accept the blame, but when our own fans boo you off the feild, and call for my head, it's the end. The lot of us either play like a team that's come down from the Premiership, and not one just promoted from Blue Square, or we may as well all pack in. These are the bald facts. The choice is no longer with me, I'm standing on the trapdoor, it's down to you to save it. Then I'd go out and bang the door on the way. Might not save my job, but it might wake a few up to reality. ( Course I wouldn't swear, being a good Catholic, but I'd sure make the point)

[Tombwfc]

I'd have probably resigned at the end of last season, blamed Muamba/injuries and taken a year out.

I do think if he had them all in working on some defensive organisation or a plan to be whoever the feck we're playing next, that would be more productive than going all Mike Bassett on them. To be fair though, in reality he'll probably just wander round baiting them all to try and take him on at darts, so anything would be better.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

On Monday morning I'd have everybody in the dressing room and say....

"Right lads. Who doesn't see where we are right now, in the league, in the media view, and more importantly, with the fans? Come on then, let's hear it. None of you are getting good reviews, indeed, just the opposite, and I, as the manager am facing the sack. That's the blunt truth of it. I have to take some of the blame, I'm the manager, but answer me this: Did I ever tell any of you to leave fxcking great holes in the midfield? Did I ever tell you to stand ball watching and to wait for the ball to bounce? Did I ever tell you to panic clear the ball into no-mans land? Did I ever say adopt a heads-down attitude? Did I ever say just one of those things? I'm also being accused of signing rubbish players and that lads, means you. I did sign you and proving you aren't rubbish is way out of my hands.

Unless we change things drastically, starting right now, you may still be here, I won't. And if you play the same fxcking way with your next boss the same thing will happen again. I've made mistakes with my formations and my substitutions I can't argue, but we went out and played that way for forty-five minutes then collapsed like a popped balloon when they scored two soft goals that came from rubbish defending. That means you, you, you and you, so don't tell me that was my fault. Worse still, you did nothing till fifteen minutes from time when all they had to do was mass defend with a two goal lead. I make no excuses for lots of things and I fully accept the blame, but when our own fans boo you off the feild, and call for my head, it's the end. The lot of us either play like a team that's come down from the Premiership, and not one just promoted from Blue Square, or we may as well all pack in. These are the bald facts. The choice is no longer with me, I'm standing on the trapdoor, it's down to you to save it. Then I'd go out and bang the door on the way. Might not save my job, but it might wake a few up to reality. ( Course I wouldn't swear, being a good Catholic, but I'd sure make the point)

Problem is I suspect once the door has slammed shut and the dramatic exit made there would be a brief silence followed by a snicker and then an avalanche of laughter.

[Tals-biggest-fan]

Sadly though all the players will hear is Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Your fault Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah

[a1]

if i were owen coyle....


i'd quit.

[Dr.Karl]

Problem is I suspect once the door has slammed shut and the dramatic exit made there would be a brief silence followed by a snicker and then an avalanche of laughter.

QFT. Coyle doing an Al Pacino "Any Given Sunday" type speech would leave me in hysterics.

[jaffka]

I understand what you mean tango

[bedwetter2]

I too understand the "last stand" speech but, as others have said, it would be laughable given previous form from Coyle. Let's face it, he has lost them.

The only way to dominate is to divide and rule, not in a petty way by dropping individuals for minor infringements, but by starting from the beginning with one to one sessions (meetings with each player, not training) finding out the attitudes and views on both sides. Then set out exactly what is required of each highlighting the changes required for different types of opposition, then as small groups, e.g. defenders only, midfield only, then finally as a team.

Then develop a credible and rigorous set of training scenarios which test the players understanding of plans for different scenarios. Apply those preset plans according to who we are playing. Analyse results and then interview each player again, pointing out good and bad phases of play. Reset training to address issues. Arse-kicking is the last resort of the manager and should be used very sparingly or it loses it's effect.

Unfortunately, an analytical brain is required for this and I don't see one at the club. It's all a bit 1960's from what I can see.

I doubt that any of this has been undertaken. In fact they probably all turn up to training sessions and just go through the motions until it's time for the wiff-waff tournament.

[officer_dibble]

If I were owen coyle id get some proper coaching staff in pronto.

[Mitch]

I'd say the same myself, they need bloody telling. But ... I'm not sure they care enough to play for this manager . There seems to be an arrogance about footballers (and managers) that it actually doesn't matter if they're rubbish because they know they will get another job somewhere.

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't think the players particularly dislike Coyle. I don't get that sense. I just think that if you send out the same sides time and time again and get more or less the same results time and time again, the players begin to realise that the manager isn't really very good.

I suspect they get on with him, but don't really believe in his abilities to reverse the slide.

Quite probably they're not that bothered whether he stays or goes......

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

If I were owen coyle id get some proper coaching staff in pronto.

I've been saying for nine months he needs an experienced sidekick, as assistant rather than chief coach. Someone who he admires and is slightly in awe of. I get the impression that he, assistant Sandy Stewart and chief coach Steve Davis all agree far too much - or if they disagree, that the casting vote is frequently going wrong.

The injection of ideas and savvy can frequently turn round a moribund squad. Like I say, getting Ian Porterfield in to assist Todd after McFarland's sacking got us midtable form thereafter, but we were too far gone.

Look at Arsenal now Steve Bould's in as Wenger's sidekick - three successive clean sheets despite the flaky Vermaelen and downright liability Mertesacker. In some ways that example is counterintuitive to the 'experience' argument – Bould replaced Pat Rice, who'd been there forever – but Arsenal seem to be doing things differently, because there are new ideas being suggested, and presumably Wenger is man enough to listen.

I know it's too late and that it's not going to happen, but I do wonder if Coyle would have called in Rioch... nah, probably not.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

If I were owen coyle id get some proper coaching staff in pronto.

I've been saying for nine months he needs an experienced sidekick, as assistant rather than chief coach. Someone who he admires and is slightly in awe of. I get the impression that he, assistant Sandy Stewart and chief coach Steve Davis all agree far too much - or if they disagree, that the casting vote is frequently going wrong.

The injection of ideas and savvy can frequently turn round a moribund squad. Like I say, getting Ian Porterfield in to assist Todd after McFarland's sacking got us midtable form thereafter, but we were too far gone.

Look at Arsenal now Steve Bould's in as Wenger's sidekick - three successive clean sheets despite the flaky Vermaelen and downright liability Mertesacker. In some ways that example is counterintuitive to the 'experience' argument – Bould replaced Pat Rice, who'd been there forever – but Arsenal seem to be doing things differently, because there are new ideas being suggested, and presumably Wenger is man enough to listen.

I know it's too late and that it's not going to happen, but I do wonder if Coyle would have called in Rioch... nah, probably not.

Probably would have helped but coyle would never work alongside someone who has more standing than himself.One of the problems with weak managers in all walks of life is they are terrified of people smarter than themselves and incapable of accepting their own mistakes or seeking advise/support when they need it. It's far too big a threat for their fragile egos and I'm afraid coyle fits that profile to a tee.

[officer_dibble]

Thats the thing that feck* me off the most

A defensive coach in who knows what he's doing...dust off the dvd room, get back to basics,.get a settled back 4. He has a couple of weeks to work on it.

But he won't, for reasons already stated.

[Athers]

The only man of any weight who's come in has been Sammy Lee, but he seems to have stuck to the academy rather than being asked about first team matters.

As Chairman Gartside has always left the football set up to his manager, so it'd be a strange conversation around, "I want to bring in X to help you out." Coyle is known to be stubborn so doubt would be receptive to that.. sooo.... he may well have to just sack him if he wants change.

[Little Green Man]

Thats the thing that feck me off the most

A defensive coach in who knows what he's doing...dust off the dvd room, get back to basics,.get a settled back 4. He has a couple of weeks to work on it.

You'd never guess that the assistant manager and first team coach plied their trades as left back and centre back respectively.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

The only man of any weight who's come in has been Sammy Lee, but he seems to have stuck to the academy rather than being asked about first team matters.

As Chairman Gartside has always left the football set up to his manager, so it'd be a strange conversation around, "I want to bring in X to help you out." Coyle is known to be stubborn so doubt would be receptive to that.. sooo.... he may well have to just sack him if he wants change.

LSL was brought in specifically to head up the academy. And yep, a chairman can't force help on a manager, although he could quietly (and privately) suggest it. Even so, I'd imagine OC would politely decline.

In fact, if we're looking for chapter headings in the Book of BWFC, "Polite Decline" could sum up Coyle's rule.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

The only man of any weight who's come in has been Sammy Lee, but he seems to have stuck to the academy rather than being asked about first team matters.

As Chairman Gartside has always left the football set up to his manager, so it'd be a strange conversation around, "I want to bring in X to help you out." Coyle is known to be stubborn so doubt would be receptive to that.. sooo.... he may well have to just sack him if he wants change.

LSL was brought in specifically to head up the academy. And yep, a chairman can't force help on a manager, although he could quietly (and privately) suggest it. Even so, I'd imagine OC would politely decline.

In fact, if we're looking for chapter headings in the Book of BWFC, "Polite Decline" could sum up Coyle's rule.

In fairness tho there's only a handful of managers who have coped well with someone coming in to help. It's a leadership position and once that position is undermined most are doomed. Coyles mistake is probably not getting in better support/assistant staff in the first place and surrounding himself with familiar yesmen

[Barr Hill]

I'd have probably resigned at the end of last season, blamed Muamba/injuries and taken a year out.

I do think if he had them all in working on some defensive organisation or a plan to be whoever the feck we're playing next, that would be more productive than going all Mike Bassett on them. To be fair though, in reality he'll probably just wander round baiting them all to try and take him on at darts, so anything would be better.

Who the fcuk is the defensive coach? Should be shot!!!

[bobo the clown]

I too understand the "last stand" speech but, as others have said, it would be laughable given previous form from Coyle. Let's face it, he has lost them.

The only way to dominate is to divide and rule, not in a petty way by dropping individuals for minor infringements, but by starting from the beginning with one to one sessions (meetings with each player, not training) finding out the attitudes and views on both sides. Then set out exactly what is required of each highlighting the changes required for different types of opposition, then as small groups, e.g. defenders only, midfield only, then finally as a team.

Then develop a credible and rigorous set of training scenarios which test the players understanding of plans for different scenarios. Apply those preset plans according to who we are playing. Analyse results and then interview each player again, pointing out good and bad phases of play. Reset training to address issues. Arse-kicking is the last resort of the manager and should be used very sparingly or it loses it's effect.

Unfortunately, an analytical brain is required for this and I don't see one at the club. It's all a bit 1960's from what I can see.

I doubt that any of this has been undertaken. In fact they probably all turn up to training sessions and just go through the motions until it's time for the wiff-waff tournament.

Aye .... it's a shame pre-season was so long ago, don't you think !! That would have been an ideal opportunity for all this sort of stuff.