Are we unlucky or is there a problem with our medical staff.

[Tals-biggest-fan]

Right I don't want this to turn into a me moaning about nothing type of thread but I was watching the West Ham game on MOTD before looking at how Joey O'Brien and Vaz te are features in their squad but whilst at us they were plague by injuries and hardly featured because they spent 90% of their time injured.

Joey O'Brien played 50 times in 7 years for us but already since joining West Ham has played 35 times for the club.

Vaz te played 53 times for us (yes he actually played 53 times) in 7 years but was consistently out injured but yet since leaving us in 2010 he's played over 50 times for 3 different teams.

Stuart Holden, yes we all know he couldn't help his first major injury (evans tackle) but I was thinking about this one and we all know he came back, played and then needed more surgery would a better medical staff at the club made sure he was fully fit before sending him back out? I mean the guy had pins put in his leg after the Evans tackle and then those same pins caused ligament damage.

I'm sure there are a few more players in there that go in the list, but how much of it is to blame on our medical team or are we just really unlucky?

[Prufrock]

Not sure the same medical staff who dealt with Joey O'Brien and Vaz Te are the same ones who are dealing with Holden. In fact, they're more likely to be the ones still dealing with O'Brien and Vaz Te.

I do think there is something suspect though. Too many back from injury and then straight out again.

[a1]

holden were out about 9 weeks with a broken leg only about 3 weeks after joining us.

[Riviman]

holden were out about 9 weeks with a broken leg only about 3 weeks after joining us.

Which wasn't the fault of the backroom staff !!!

[Ianmooreslovechild]

We have certainly been unlucky but I'd be surprised it our medical staff are at fault. Joey O Brien s recovery was made under the guidance of our medics. The fact he is now apparently over his problems if anything implies they did their job well but raises questions about the decision to release him on a free.

Vaz Te is a little different. Apparently he was interviewed recently and in addition to the injuries suffered some degree of depression whilst at the Bok. The injuries played a big part in the lost momentum of a promising career and it's easy to see how things stagnated for him. A new environment and a fresh start is sometimes the best cure for depression as it frees the individual from all the negative associations held in an envirnment. He's rebuilt his career and is now surrounded by those who were with him when he made his promising start but he now has the confidence/self belief of a couple of seasons living up to his potential which perversely he was only able to do once expectations were lowered.

If anything it goes to show the value of young players starting at a lower level and working their way up gaining confidence and experience.It does raise some interesting questions in regard to how the club deal with sordell. I cant see how he will gain confidence sitting on the bench. He has to be coming on for 20 /30 mins and given a chance to have an impact. If that doesnt work he may be better off going out on loan but there's no way that could happen at present with the cover we have.

Young Eaves certainly needs to be playing regularly at league 1 or 2 level aswell. He wont gain a thing playing in the amusingly titled development squad.it's not like theyre being schooled in the Bolton style as there isnt one. Infact I'd argue that theyd be better off having an under 20s team and once players hit 20 getting them out on loan.

[50sQuiff]

But they can all get a nice massage to help them sleep from a guy that used to work in Barclays bank and did two weeks work experience down the Reebok. I don't know what you're worrying about!

[Ianmooreslovechild]

But they can all get a nice massage to help them sleep from a guy that used to work in Barclays bank and did two weeks work experience down the Reebok. I don't know what you're worrying about!

Does that in itself mean the man is not competent? A good physio is not going to be an expensive item and I'd be amazed if the club has employed someone who cant do the job properly.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

But they can all get a nice massage to help them sleep from a guy that used to work in Barclays bank and did two weeks work experience down the Reebok. I don't know what you're worrying about!

Does that in itself mean the man is not competent? A good physio is not going to be an expensive item and I'd be amazed if the club has employed someone who cant do the job properly.

Equally, you'd assume the club employed someone that was competent at coaching defence, fitness and so on

[Dr.Karl]

TBF that Physio was in before Coyle's era. But it would take someone blinkered to say that the standard of care has not decreased since Big Sam left. Our fitness levels were shocking last season and a few games I've seen this time round.

[50sQuiff]

But they can all get a nice massage to help them sleep from a guy that used to work in Barclays bank and did two weeks work experience down the Reebok. I don't know what you're worrying about!

Does that in itself mean the man is not competent? A good physio is not going to be an expensive item and I'd be amazed if the club has employed someone who cant do the job properly.

Just being facetious. The biographies on that coaching staff page are a bit "cracking little club" though.

[bobo the clown]

It's an old chestnut this medical staff argument.However, yesterday's injury to N'Gog in his first game back doesn't help the cause, does it ?

[officer_dibble]

Is he injured then?

I think without doubt the backroom staff as a whole are shocking, in comparison to those of the last decade. But whats the norm? What we have now, or what we had then? Were we punching above our weight before and therefore what we have now is no.different to the rest of this league?

[bobo the clown]

Is he injured then?

Well, he pulled up on a run & held his thigh & then limped about a little just before they scored & was replaced after 3 or 4 minutes of wimping about a bit.

So, maybe it's something which can be shaken off, by my view of it was that he pulled something.

[Mar]

Take the likes of Elmander and his injury problems in his first season. Constantly plagued with injury and never truly got going.

Maybe the medical team don't know how to fix the issue straight away and are learning how to resolve the problem. I reckon we could do with getting some specialists to consult with.

[bwfcdan94]

no. we have in my opinion one of the worst if not the worst medical team in the football league while various people get praise for keeping muamba alive in reality that should never of happend, there is no coincidence that we did not pick up muambas heart problems last season nor did we pick up tony kelly"s this season. holden, CYL, wheater and alonso have all had long term injuries since coyle came yet i can not recall one player under any of our previous managers being injured for such a long term. are medicall team is inept and will ensure that we never see the best of bolton wanderers due to us never having our best 11 fit. the most recent example is ngog who has been strugling with "a minor injury" since we started pre season training. there is clealy some massive problems at this club and we are at a stage where decisions made in the next few months will decicde whether we become premiership/ championship yoyo teram or are confined to a slow filtering down the leagues leading to an eventual prolonged stay in league 2.

[Mar]

no. we have in my opinion one of the worst if not the worst medical team in the football league while various people get praise for keeping muamba alive in reality that should never of happend, there is no coincidence that we did not pick up muambas heart problems last season nor did we pick up tony kelly"s this season. holden, CYL, wheater and alonso have all had long term injuries since coyle came yet i can not recall one player under any of our previous managers being injured for such a long term. are medicall team is inept and will ensure that we never see the best of bolton wanderers due to us never having our best 11 fit. the most recent example is ngog who has been strugling with "a minor injury" since we started pre season training. there is clealy some massive problems at this club and we are at a stage where decisions made in the next few months will decicde whether we become premiership/ championship yoyo teram or are confined to a slow filtering down the leagues leading to an eventual prolonged stay in league 2.

I'm presuming you've not been paying attention to previous years if that's the case. Other seasons have had their long term injuries.

Florent Laville for example.

[bwfcdan94]

name more 4 in 3 years is awfull

[Mar]

name more 4 in 3 years is awfull

Jaaskelainen, Gardner, Davis, Fortune, etc.

I'm sure a thread dredging these up would be interesting.

[bwfcdan94]

so you have came up with a superb tally of 5 in the last 9 years compared to the four we have suffered in the last 3 years and at least then we had good back up what do we have now i mean are first team is barely good enough let alone are bench

[thebish]

hmmm...

would we also say the same about Newcastle's medical staff?

T Krul Arm/Elbow Injury 29th Sep 12
F Coloccini Hamstring Injury 17th Sep 12
H Vučkić Groin Strain no return date
D Simpson Hamstring Injury 29th Sep 12
J Perch Neck Injury 17th Sep 12
R Taylor ACL Knee Injury Mar 13
C Tiote Calf/Shin Injury 23rd Sep 12
S Ameobi Hamstring Injury 17th Sep 12

or arsenal:

L Fabianski Shoulder Injury no return date
V Diaby Muscle Injury 18th Sep 12
M Chamakh Illness no return date
T Rosicky Calf/Shin Injury 6th Oct 12
B Sagna Broken Leg 6th Oct 12
E Frimpong ACL Knee Injury 29th Sep 12
J Wilshere Ankle/Foot Injury 6th Oct 12

or fulham:

M Diarra Knee Injury no return date
K Richardson Hip/Thigh Injury no return date
A Dejagah Knock no return date
B Ruiz Hamstring Injury 22nd Sep 12
P Senderos Ankle/Foot Injury no return date
S Davies Neck Injury no return date

or manU:

P Evra Knock no return date
P Jones Cartilage Knee Injury 20th Oct 12
A Young Knee Injury 23rd Sep 12
W Rooney Deep Leg Laceration 23rd Sep 12
C Smalling Metatarsal Fracture 7th Oct 12
D Fletcher Bowel Condition 23rd Sep 12

or Villa:

G Gardner ACL Knee Injury May 13
S Carruthers Ankle/Foot Injury 22nd Sep 12
R Dunne Gilmores Groin 30th Sep 12
M Albrighton Metatarsal Fracture 30th Sep 12
S Petrov Acute Leukaemia no return date

all with more crocks than we have...