Dougie Freedman - New Manager

[boltonboris]

So on that basis.. people were too down on Coyle and they're too forgiving of Dougie?....
and the same players by and large produce broadly similar results whoever is in charge...
So may be the best clue too Dougie will be how he does with his own players..?

funny despite the stats two clean sheets away from home in a row looks like some progress to me..
[and for the record I still think it was an odd appointment.. still on the fence...]

Ermm surely the stats show that Coyle got away with murder and even though we are still not at the level required, far from it we are at least slowly getting better.

You don't half enjoy hyperbole. "Assault", "murder", "attack" & "a cancer"

You're a bit of a bell-end at times.

[norm the jedi]

So on that basis.. people were too down on Coyle and they're too forgiving of Dougie?....
and the same players by and large produce broadly similar results whoever is in charge...
So may be the best clue too Dougie will be how he does with his own players..?

funny despite the stats two clean sheets away from home in a row looks like some progress to me..
[and for the record I still think it was an odd appointment.. still on the fence...]

Ermm surely the stats show that Coyle got away with murder and even though we are still not at the level required, far from it we are at least slowly getting better.

possibly but 0.2 goals a game improvement is not much basis for huge confidence that a corner has been turned...
as Coyle was apparently the worst manager for a generation, tactical pygmy, useless in the transfer market, unable to change a game from the bench and the rest...
Don't get me wrong.. Coyle was pish 1 less goal conceded every 5 games isn't exactly evidence of the Messiah imv..
if Coyle was phoning it in, you'd could have expected a somewhat more dramatic improvement. If it was as easy as all that...?

like I said two away clean sheets on the bounce, a bit more solidity and confidence are good enough for me but I never expected us to get straight back up this year never mind without breaking a sweat...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

So on that basis.. people were too down on Coyle and they're too forgiving of Dougie?....
and the same players by and large produce broadly similar results whoever is in charge...
So may be the best clue too Dougie will be how he does with his own players..?

funny despite the stats two clean sheets away from home in a row looks like some progress to me..
[and for the record I still think it was an odd appointment.. still on the fence...]

Ermm surely the stats show that Coyle got away with murder and even though we are still not at the level required, far from it we are at least slowly getting better.

You don't half enjoy hyperbole. "Assault", "murder", "attack" & "a cancer"

You're a bit of a bell-end at times.

Can he write that with a marker pen?

[Dartisan]

I've had a look at their respective stats for this season in The Championship, as I feel they're most like-for-like.
(In The Championship) under Freedman we score more & concede less than under Coyle.
Coyle goals For avg: 1.3, Against: 1.6
Freedman goals For avg: 1.43, Against: 1.29

...for an even more like for like Freedman's after 10 Championship games (Coyle had 10 Championship games here before the chop, Freedman has currently 14):
For avg: 1.7, Against: 1.5

...so, our goal scoring improvement has very much tailed off in the last 4, but in pay-off our defensive record has very much improved.
Points per game averages - Coyle: 1.1, Freedman: 1.29, Freedman after 10: 1.4.

So I'd agree it's nothing radical, but I think it's hard to suggest that Freedman has done anything other than improve things based on those stats.

[Dartisan]

...oh & I also think it's easy to be deceived on the margins of improvement because these are small fractions involved. Lets not forget that top Prem teams (Utd, City, Arsenal) are getting around the 2.0 goals for per game. A 0.2 or 0.3 improvement is statistically significant.

[bobo the clown]

Correct, tho I suppose most of us (& certainly me) had got to the point of believing Coyle was SOOOO hopeless that almost anyone would be better ... & so achieve an improvement.

Certainly of this level & probably some way more.

[Dartisan]

Correct, tho I suppose most of us (& certainly me) had got to the point of believing Coyle was SOOOO hopeless that almost anyone would be better ... & so achieve an improvement.

Certainly of this level & probably some way more.

It'd be rather harsh not to allow Freedman any credit though on the basis of 'well lets face it anything breathing could improve on that shower' wouldn't it. He'd be damned if he did, damned if he didn't otherwise

[bobo the clown]

Correct, tho I suppose most of us (& certainly me) had got to the point of believing Coyle was SOOOO hopeless that almost anyone would be better ... & so achieve an improvement.

Certainly of this level & probably some way more.

It'd be rather harsh not to allow Freedman any credit though on the basis of 'well lets face it anything breathing could improve on that shower' wouldn't it. He'd be damned if he did, damned if he didn't otherwise

Agreed ... but I would have expected more without, I believe, being unrealistic.

Still, it IS better than under Coyle.

[thebish]

23 goals in 18 games now - so - going in the wrong direction.....

[bobo the clown]

23 goals in 18 games now - so - going in the wrong direction.....

What's happened to your 'pm' button ?

Feeling above the rest of us now you're in Devon, are we ??

[LeverEnd]

So on that basis.. people were too down on Coyle and they're too forgiving of Dougie?....
and the same players by and large produce broadly similar results whoever is in charge...
So may be the best clue too Dougie will be how he does with his own players..?

funny despite the stats two clean sheets away from home in a row looks like some progress to me..
[and for the record I still think it was an odd appointment.. still on the fence...]

Given results you'd be mad not to be the fence, but I'm leaning to Dougie's side of it.He takes a measured view of things and talks sense unlike Coyle. We got quick results under Coyle like McCarthy has at Ipswich, but where did it get us in the long run?

I don't think people are being too forgiving, just sensible enough not to judge too soon.

[Harry Genshaw]

Surely it's meaningless comparing the 2 records

Coyle had 3 years to build his team and get the stats being quoted on here
Dougies had 5 minutes.

If after 3 years Dougie's ppg record isn't significantly better than it is right now or Coyles was when he left, then he's been a flop.

[Enoch]

Sage words Mr Harry Genshaw, meaningless for sure, but fun no doubt for those that do so.

[BWFC_Insane]

This is a quote from Ream in the BN about life under Freedman and the differences to what went before.

“We are more organised. We have a set way of playing and a set position for guys to play in. It has definitely helped out some guys by giving an idea of where they should be instead of just willy-nilly. From an organisation point, it is a pretty big difference.”

Another damning quote hammering the final nail in the 'Coyle wasn't a joke' coffin!

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

This is a quote from Ream in the BN about life under Freedman and the differences to what went before.

“We are more organised. We have a set way of playing and a set position for guys to play in. It has definitely helped out some guys by giving an idea of where they should be instead of just willy-nilly. From an organisation point, it is a pretty big difference.”

Another damning quote hammering the final nail in the 'Coyle wasn't a joke' coffin!

Ream might be a good example of a beneficiary from such a change. One of the qualities he lacks, along with physical strength, is a defender's instinct of where to position himself, so in that sense he relies on the system telling him where to be more than others might.

[bobo the clown]

Similar to some other references but very, very telling ".... giving an idea of where they should be instead of just willy-nilly."

The more is revealed the more I think Bolton Wanderers FC should sue the guy for Corporate Negligence.

[Hoboh]

Similar to some other references but very, very telling ".... giving an idea of where they should be instead of just willy-nilly."

The more is revealed the more I think Bolton Wanderers FC should sue the guy for Corporate Negligence.

More like string gartside up by his balls!

[BWFC_Insane]

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“Performance-wise, we’ve been decent this last three or four games.

“We just need to get a bit consistent. We have a mentality where we’re always hanging on and I don’t like that. I want to be on the front foot.

“I have got to look at the next three or four days and maybe change some players, get things going again.”

“Yes, I do need to change one or two players, to get a different mentality in the group, some different dynamics in the group, change the culture a little bit but there are certainly good performances there.

“I think we need to change one or two that have probably been here and done it and move on from there so what we can achieve is looking forward to next week, working hard on the training ground and improving players.”

Which is an interesting quote. Considering a guy sat next to me in the ESL on Saturday was adamant to the point of anger when someone questioned him, that Kevin Davies has already been told there will be no new contract........

[Beefheart]

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“Performance-wise, we’ve been decent this last three or four games.

“We just need to get a bit consistent. We have a mentality where we’re always hanging on and I don’t like that. I want to be on the front foot.

“I have got to look at the next three or four days and maybe change some players, get things going again.”

“Yes, I do need to change one or two players, to get a different mentality in the group, some different dynamics in the group, change the culture a little bit but there are certainly good performances there.

“I think we need to change one or two that have probably been here and done it and move on from there so what we can achieve is looking forward to next week, working hard on the training ground and improving players.”

Which is an interesting quote. Considering a guy sat next to me in the ESL on Saturday was adamant to the point of anger when someone questioned him, that Kevin Davies has already been told there will be no new contract........

I figured Tom Eaves getting a new contract was an indication that SKD might not be.

[bobo the clown]

That HAS to be Knight and SKD.

Maybe Ricketts too, but I do hope not. Possibly Eagles.

Mind you, by then we'd be a proper Div 2 club !!