Bogdan

[HM Murdock]

Surprised there isn't already a thread about him

Looks more and more suspect as the games go on. I know the defence can't be giving him confidence, but I just don't think he's good enough. Looks clueless at set pieces, and flaps like mad when he does go for one.

Too many times he's parried a shot straight to the nearest opposition player, or fumbled a cross and its cost us, that it makes me think a GK is needed come the January window, even if its just a loan. I realise that with Lonergan out, we are stuck with him, but we should never have sold Al-Habsi and then let Jussi go.

Thoughts? Good enough or not?

[truewhite15]

I think he has the potential to be good for us. But he's still a relatively young lad, especially for a goalkeeper, and the past 2 years can't have helped his confidence or his belief in the slightest. I think what he needs, for his own good, is a couple of games out of the firing line, where he can try and rebuild what's left of his self-belief.

For the record, I thought last season was the right time to phase Jussi out. It's been hard seeing him at the Spammers, but I think we've definitely seen his best years. I also think it was a mistake to let Al Habsi go; not that he'd have been the difference between relegation and staying up last year or anything, I just think he's a better keeper than both Jussi and Bogdan as things stand right now.

[James B]

selling al habsi was one almighty gaffe by the management of the club and one i called as such when it happened. bogdan was pretty hot & cold last season but he seems to have regressed. as has been said, completely uncommanding of his box.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I think he has the potential to be good for us. But he's still a relatively young lad, especially for a goalkeeper, and the past 2 years can't have helped his confidence or his belief in the slightest. I think what he needs, for his own good, is a couple of games out of the firing line, where he can try and rebuild what's left of his self-belief.

For the record, I thought last season was the right time to phase Jussi out. It's been hard seeing him at the Spammers, but I think we've definitely seen his best years. I also think it was a mistake to let Al Habsi go; not that he'd have been the difference between relegation and staying up last year or anything, I just think he's a better keeper than both Jussi and Bogdan as things stand right now.

Clearly then we should have let Jussi go a year earlier and kept Al-Habsi. It would have made the relegation difference too as Wigan would have gone down without AAH instead of us. At the time I felt Jussi should go and make AAH number one after his initial loan to Wigan. It was not a view generally shared. However, all of this is what we call Monday morning quarterbacking over here.

[nelson66]

It was a MASSIVE mistake selling AAH to Wigan - no doubt about it - it cost us a place in the PL

However, Bogdan is a young lad, and like alot of our team is short of confidence after the last joke regime. Lets see if DF can improve his confidence and get him playing to a higher standard. I've been guilty of slagging him off in the past but with no one else in the team to replace him then we'd best support him. (for the time being)

[BWFC_Insane]

At the time I could understand selling Al Habsi. However I was wrong and it has turned into a big error of judgement by the club.

The decision at the time, did seem to make sense. Hindsight of course is a wonderful thing in these decisions.

[Whookam]

I don't rate Bogdan, always said he's got a blunder a game in him. I'm not buying into this 'he's young for a keeper' thing because he's not, at 25 the fundamentals of his game are established and he is what he is.

[norm the jedi]

I don't rate Bogdan, always said he's got a blunder a game in him. I'm not buying into this 'he's young for a keeper' thing because he's not, at 25 the fundamentals of his game are established and he is what he is.

I think when he came in he was decent.
Goalie more than any other is a confidence position
I'd favour the rebuild his confidence under new team..
I think shifting Fred Barbour on seems to be the worst decision amongst many contenders in the last three seasons.

[thebish]

At the time I could understand selling Al Habsi. However I was wrong and it has turned into a big error of judgement by the club.

The decision at the time, did seem to make sense. Hindsight of course is a wonderful thing in these decisions.

at the time, Jussi was going nowhere - he wasn't in demand and he didn't want to leave - he was on fat wages with a contract to run down. Habsi was desperate to leave to get guaranteed 1st team football and was in demand and saleable.

had we kept Jussi. but promoted Habsi - and Jussi had sat on the bench with a fat wedge winding down his contract for over 2 years - people would (rightly) have called it lunacy

had we kept Jussi and not sold Habsi - but kept Jussi as no.1 - then Habsi would have been unhappy - we'd have got nowt out of him and he'd have wound down his contract and eventually gone on a free - and we'd have lost the 4mill or so that we sold him for...

can't really see why you would now decide that it was a "big error of judgement".

[BWFC_Insane]

At the time I could understand selling Al Habsi. However I was wrong and it has turned into a big error of judgement by the club.

The decision at the time, did seem to make sense. Hindsight of course is a wonderful thing in these decisions.

at the time, Jussi was going nowhere - he wasn't in demand and he didn't want to leave - he was on fat wages with a contract to run down. Habsi was desperate to leave to get guaranteed 1st team football and was in demand and saleable.

had we kept Jussi. but promoted Habsi - and Jussi had sat on the bench with a fat wedge winding down his contract for over 2 years - people would (rightly) have called it lunacy

had we kept Jussi and not sold Habsi - but kept Jussi as no.1 - then Habsi would have been unhappy - we'd have got nowt out of him and he'd have wound down his contract and eventually gone on a free - and we'd have lost the 4mill or so that we sold him for...

can't really see why you would now decide that it was a "big error of judgement".

It was an error of judgement in that we sold a player for 4M who is now being touted for double that amount. In addition we sold him to what turned into a relegation rival.

I'm not saying I'd have done any different at the time, for the reasons you have stated.

But in hindsight I'd definitely have kept him. As I'm sure would BWFC.

[thebish]

if at the time we made the decision it was the right decision to make - then it was the right decision.

[BL3]

At the time I could understand selling Al Habsi. However I was wrong and it has turned into a big error of judgement by the club.

The decision at the time, did seem to make sense. Hindsight of course is a wonderful thing in these decisions.

at the time, Jussi was going nowhere - he wasn't in demand and he didn't want to leave - he was on fat wages with a contract to run down. Habsi was desperate to leave to get guaranteed 1st team football and was in demand and saleable.

had we kept Jussi. but promoted Habsi - and Jussi had sat on the bench with a fat wedge winding down his contract for over 2 years - people would (rightly) have called it lunacy

had we kept Jussi and not sold Habsi - but kept Jussi as no.1 - then Habsi would have been unhappy - we'd have got nowt out of him and he'd have wound down his contract and eventually gone on a free - and we'd have lost the 4mill or so that we sold him for...

can't really see why you would now decide that it was a "big error of judgement".

Some people either can't or won't see that the club are no longer prepared to let players run down their contracts and leave on a free. That's why we sold Matt Taylor and that's why we sold Al Habsi.

[boltonboris]

It was unfortunate timing that as Jussi regressed, Al-Habsi started to improve. But the bloke in regression was earning big money and still under contract. Also at that time, they'd met in the middle in terms of ability and there was no way we could keep them both happy. We HAD to let go of one of them. It was always going to be the saleable asset.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I think he has the potential to be good for us. But he's still a relatively young lad, especially for a goalkeeper, and the past 2 years can't have helped his confidence or his belief in the slightest. I think what he needs, for his own good, is a couple of games out of the firing line, where he can try and rebuild what's left of his self-belief.

For the record, I thought last season was the right time to phase Jussi out. It's been hard seeing him at the Spammers, but I think we've definitely seen his best years. I also think it was a mistake to let Al Habsi go; not that he'd have been the difference between relegation and staying up last year or anything, I just think he's a better keeper than both Jussi and Bogdan as things stand right now.

Totally agree re Bogdan,he needs his confidence building and could do with a break( a solid loanie would make a lot of sense for a month or two) If he stays in the first team an improving defence may help but he just looks so vulnerable on crosses now and that punch on saturday said a lot for where he is at mentally.

Like Bish said the al habsi thing made sense at the time. I think our real error was not giving al habsi his chance the season after he came in.You could see he was a good keeper then. It would have been brave but he should have been number one. I'm sure Big sam would have taken Jussi off our hands for a nominal fee.

[YtarmyYtarmy]

Surprised there isn't already a thread about him

Looks more and more suspect as the games go on. I know the defence can't be giving him confidence, but I just don't think he's good enough. Looks clueless at set pieces, and flaps like mad when he does go for one.

Too many times he's parried a shot straight to the nearest opposition player, or fumbled a cross and its cost us, that it makes me think a GK is needed come the January window, even if its just a loan. I realise that with Lonergan out, we are stuck with him, but we should never have sold Al-Habsi and then let Jussi go.

Thoughts? Good enough or not?

I said it before, but for me Coyles biggest mistake, I hoped Bogdan would come on, but he's just not, Hes not even a great shot stopper and as our defence isnt great at the moment, i cant see us keeping a clean sheet for a while. Saying that it must be very demoralising haveing goals fly in past you every week ?

[officer_dibble]

Who is the gk coach now? is it still that muppet coyle employed? I think Bogdan can still be a too keeper but he needs some coaching...asap.

[bobo the clown]

It was an error, & I did cakl it back then, to sell Ali. Jussi never failed to hold the club to contract ransom & though he'd been great we actually could have sold him on. Not for £gazzilions, but we'd have got something & both Arsenal & Stretford, to name just 2, were looking for competition for the position & he'd have taken his chance.

Selling a younger version to a local & relegation rival was madness.

Boggers is an OK keeper, but we need a GOOD keeper & he's far from that right now.

[bwfcdan94]

still think he is excellent and if he had a good defense in front of him he might have a chance

[bobo the clown]

still think he is excellent and if he had a good defense in front of him he might have a chance

That'll be due to you being a fckg idiot, I guess.

[cecil.bob]

At the time I could understand selling Al Habsi. However I was wrong and it has turned into a big error of judgement by the club.

The decision at the time, did seem to make sense. Hindsight of course is a wonderful thing in these decisions.

Wish I could say I thought different, but I didn't. That said, I kind of feel for Boggers. I think he has some potential to be a decent keeper, but his confidence has to be shattered, we haven't had a clean sheet in how long? Whens the last time we had two back to back? Not sure what the long term solution is, but we ought to try and find someone to coem in on loan in January...