Mark Leather

[midlands exile]

While Mark Leather tries to be diplomatic in the link below, he seems to be thinking along the same lines that I have. e.g. our injury list and recovery rates probably don't just stem from bad luck, but are quite possibly linked to our off-the-pitch preparations, and the backward steps we may have taken over the last few years....

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... jury_woes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's supposed to be another interview with him on the site later today.

[ChrisC]

Ping pong does nowt for your knee's

[wigan white]

It just baffles me that the more you hear what went on at the club under Megson and Coyle that just how far backwards the club has gone!!!!! Its shocking.

[bobo the clown]

While Mark Leather tries to be diplomatic in the link below, he seems to be thinking along the same lines that I have. e.g. our injury list and recovery rates probably don't just stem from bad luck, but are quite possibly linked to our off-the-pitch preparations, and the backward steps we may have taken over the last few years....

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... jury_woes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's supposed to be another interview with him on the site later today.

Didn't this become a subject of lively debate on here a year or so ago ?

The grown up thinking suggested that we were being reactionary. Then again, it did on a lot of things which we now know to be actually the case .... lack of fitness, lack of 'organisation', lack of coaching.

[BWFC_Insane]

While Mark Leather tries to be diplomatic in the link below, he seems to be thinking along the same lines that I have. e.g. our injury list and recovery rates probably don't just stem from bad luck, but are quite possibly linked to our off-the-pitch preparations, and the backward steps we may have taken over the last few years....

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... jury_woes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's supposed to be another interview with him on the site later today.

Didn't this become a subject of lively debate on here a year or so ago ?

The grown up thinking suggested that we were being reactionary. Then again, it did on a lot of things which we now know to be actually the case .... lack of fitness, lack of 'organisation', lack of coaching.

I recall that 'organisation' was not a real thing, and didn't exist........

[NP44]

It just baffles me that the more you hear what went on at the club under Megson and Coyle that just how far backwards the club has gone!!!!! Its shocking.

Can't just blame those two. Gartside for employing them ????????

[midlands exile]

Follow up article:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... gby_codes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[bedwetter2]

While Mark Leather tries to be diplomatic in the link below, he seems to be thinking along the same lines that I have. e.g. our injury list and recovery rates probably don't just stem from bad luck, but are quite possibly linked to our off-the-pitch preparations, and the backward steps we may have taken over the last few years....

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... jury_woes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's supposed to be another interview with him on the site later today.

Didn't this become a subject of lively debate on here a year or so ago ?

The grown up thinking suggested that we were being reactionary. Then again, it did on a lot of things which we now know to be actually the case .... lack of fitness, lack of 'organisation', lack of coaching.

It certainly was a subject which showed up some very divergent views from individuals on this forum. I remember that when our Korean was crocked by a Newport County player (there was another Bolton who was injured in the same 'friendly' - can't remember who) I suggested it was madness for Coyle to risk one of our top three players at the time in a meaningless game against a team of overexcited non-league players trying to make a name for themselves. The general consensus from those who thought they knew better was that these things would always happen anyway. Do they bollocks.

[BWFC_Insane]

While Mark Leather tries to be diplomatic in the link below, he seems to be thinking along the same lines that I have. e.g. our injury list and recovery rates probably don't just stem from bad luck, but are quite possibly linked to our off-the-pitch preparations, and the backward steps we may have taken over the last few years....

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... jury_woes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's supposed to be another interview with him on the site later today.

Didn't this become a subject of lively debate on here a year or so ago ?

The grown up thinking suggested that we were being reactionary. Then again, it did on a lot of things which we now know to be actually the case .... lack of fitness, lack of 'organisation', lack of coaching.

It certainly was a subject which showed up some very divergent views from individuals on this forum. I remember that when our Korean was crocked by a Newport County player (there was another Bolton who was injured in the same 'friendly' - can't remember who) I suggested it was madness for Coyle to risk one of our top three players at the time in a meaningless game against a team of overexcited non-league players trying to make a name for themselves. The general consensus from those who thought they knew better was that these things would always happen anyway. Do they bollocks.

Mark Leather and all the science and backroom expertise won't stop players getting broken bones.

Players need pre-season games. That sort of stuff can and will happen. You can't prevent it other than never playing or training.

What the scientific approach will bring is hopefully better prevention of muscle strains, better fitness and a better approach to rehab for injured players.

[bedwetter2]

While Mark Leather tries to be diplomatic in the link below, he seems to be thinking along the same lines that I have. e.g. our injury list and recovery rates probably don't just stem from bad luck, but are quite possibly linked to our off-the-pitch preparations, and the backward steps we may have taken over the last few years....

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/10 ... jury_woes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's supposed to be another interview with him on the site later today.

Didn't this become a subject of lively debate on here a year or so ago ?

The grown up thinking suggested that we were being reactionary. Then again, it did on a lot of things which we now know to be actually the case .... lack of fitness, lack of 'organisation', lack of coaching.

It certainly was a subject which showed up some very divergent views from individuals on this forum. I remember that when our Korean was crocked by a Newport County player (there was another Bolton who was injured in the same 'friendly' - can't remember who) I suggested it was madness for Coyle to risk one of our top three players at the time in a meaningless game against a team of overexcited non-league players trying to make a name for themselves. The general consensus from those who thought they knew better was that these things would always happen anyway. Do they bollocks.

Mark Leather and all the science and backroom expertise won't stop players getting broken bones.

Players need pre-season games. That sort of stuff can and will happen. You can't prevent it other than never playing or training.

What the scientific approach will bring is hopefully better prevention of muscle strains, better fitness and a better approach to rehab for injured players.

I think you may have missed the point. Whilst Mark Leather et al cannot prevent broken bones, on field heart attacks or even turn back the tide, playing our best players against a bunch of cloggers could be viewed as rash or even foolhardy. You may recall that we did have several pre-season friendlies, not all of them against non-leaguers. Coyle learned nothing from that experience and did the same in the last pre-season by playing our better charges against bunches of Scottish no hopers.

By then of course it was becoming obvious to all but a few knobs who still have a soft spot for Coyle that there was something very wrong with fitness levels, preparation and attitude in that not one single pre-season friendly was won (I know that everyone said at the time that the result of a friendly doesn't matter. Bollocks) against some of the poorest opposition in the UK. That is where Mark Leather comes in; better monitoring of player fitness, creating individual programmes for nutrition and training requirements, fostering a positive mental attitude to winning, etc.

The two things are connected. Pre-season games are important preparation but it needs to be horses for courses. Sports Science can help by guiding/steering the manager and his staff to get the best out of the players without undue risk-taking.
We now know all about the lack of attention to detail from the last sets of chancers and what resulted.

[bobo the clown]

..... it was becoming obvious to all but a few knobs who still have a soft spot for Coyle that there was something very wrong with fitness levels, preparation and attitude in that not one single pre-season friendly was won (I know that everyone said at the time that the result of a friendly doesn't matter. Bollocks) against some of the poorest opposition in the UK.

Yup .... & the actual results don't especially matter but the fitness and performance and shapes absolutely do ... and we were patently ill prepared. It was almost "lads on tour" ... and it showed when the real stuff started.

[Prufrock]

I don't think we need to be inventing reasons to kncok Coyle with. Whilst the pre-season approach as a whole may have been shambolic, there was nowt wrong with playing Chungy against Newport (without 20:20 hindsight).

[Harry Genshaw]

I don't think we need to be inventing reasons to kncok Coyle with. Whilst the pre-season approach as a whole may have been shambolic, there was nowt wrong with playing Chungy against Newport (without 20:20 hindsight).

Agreed. Most pre season friendlies tend to be against lower division opponents. There's no way your best players would be match fit for the opening game, if they've been left out against yer Newports of this world and only played 1 game against some Johnny Foreginer team a week before.

[onlywanderer]

I don't think we need to be inventing reasons to kncok Coyle with. Whilst the pre-season approach as a whole may have been shambolic, there was nowt wrong with playing Chungy against Newport (without 20:20 hindsight).

Agreed. Most pre season friendlies tend to be against lower division opponents. There's no way your best players would be match fit for the opening game, if they've been left out against yer Newports of this world and only played 1 game against some Johnny Foreginer team a week before.

At the time, they had just been promoted to the Conference National. I'd say there's a big difference between playing a team full of Semi-Pro footballers and, for example a Professional League One/two outfit.

For me it was a silly move to play our top players in that game. But he didn't half pay for it.

[Athers]

Bring on the "SCIENCE"

Seems a shame at Dr Tobin was let go in what must be part of the same re-organisation. He was a GP so perhaps they're getting a more specialist sport doctor in? Who knows.

[BWFC_Insane]

Bring on the "SCIENCE"

Seems a shame at Dr Tobin was let go in what must be part of the same re-organisation. He was a GP so perhaps they're getting a more specialist sport doctor in? Who knows.

I've heard there was good reason for letting him go......only rumour though.

Perhaps Caps or Boltonboris or someone has heard similar?

[LeverEnd]

Bring on the "SCIENCE"

Seems a shame at Dr Tobin was let go in what must be part of the same re-organisation. He was a GP so perhaps they're getting a more specialist sport doctor in? Who knows.

I've heard there was good reason for letting him go......only rumour though.

Perhaps Caps or Boltonboris or someone has heard similar?

Spit it out.

[boltonboris]

Not a feckin' clue.

[plymouth wanderer]

Bring on the "SCIENCE"

Seems a shame at Dr Tobin was let go in what must be part of the same re-organisation. He was a GP so perhaps they're getting a more specialist sport doctor in? Who knows.

I've heard there was good reason for letting him go......only rumour though.

Perhaps Caps or Boltonboris or someone has heard similar?

[bedwetter2]

I don't think we need to be inventing reasons to kncok Coyle with. Whilst the pre-season approach as a whole may have been shambolic, there was nowt wrong with playing Chungy against Newport (without 20:20 hindsight).

Who is inventing?

I seem to recall BWFC playing clubs of fairly equal status, both from the UK and abroad, in pre-season friendlies before the advent of Charlie Carolli.