The Debt.

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:37 pm

Shutt666 wrote:One reason why he would choose to do this is any Director of a Company can be held personally liable for any increase in the debt from the point he knows, or is expected to know, that the business is trading insolvently.
Does that come under the heading of 'fiduciary responsibility', Shutt?
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Re: The Debt.

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:42 pm

Shutt666 wrote:I was the accountant for the once mighty Gretna FC in 2007/08
Jeez, what had you done to deserve that punishment? :shock:

Thanks for the info.

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Jugs » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:52 pm

Cheers Shutt lad.

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Enoch » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:00 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Shutt666 wrote:I was the accountant for the once mighty Gretna FC in 2007/08
Jeez, what had you done to deserve that punishment? :shock:
You can't feel sorry for him if he got to delight in the silky skills of, Lord John "Kenny" Deuchar of Fife.

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Shutt666 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:15 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote: Does that come under the heading of 'fiduciary responsibility', Shutt?
Ish.

Fiduciary duty is more concerned with Brokers, investments, even a charity comittee member, that sort of thing. A general duty where you are managing other peoples money.

Directors responsibilities are specific legal obligations under the Companies Act. A criminal offence which can result in being disqualified, fines or even a prison sentence ( though strangely it rarely does )
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Jeez, what had you done to deserve that punishment? :shock:

Thanks for the info.
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Re: The Debt.

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:48 pm

Ahhhhh. Cheers mate. Back to the Parmo. ;)
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Re: The Debt.

Post by Hoboh » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:29 am

Shutt666 wrote:Been reading for some while, even more so in such troubled times, but never took the time to register and join in.

Seen the same question cropping up a few times and as an Accountant thought I should register to repay some of the information I have leeched from you in the past.

First the Inland Revenue has a duty to the taxpayers to not worsen their position. So if Dec 1st they are owed say £1m and by Jan 1st that has risen to £1.1m they are obliged to take action, generally administration, to protect taxpayers money. They were given this power in return for giving up their rights as a preferential creditor, although there was talk last year about returning that right.

Secondly a few people ask why Eddie Davies would wind up his own company and lose all his investment. One reason why he would choose to do this is any Director of a Company can be held personally liable for any increase in the debt from the point he knows, or is expected to know, that the business is trading insolvently. Another reason is if the a business enters voluntary administration the Directors can choose the administrators provided crditors do not object. So if he knows the IR is about to wind the company up first, he can step in first.

I am not an expert on administration, but assuming legistlation is as it was when I was the accountant for the once mighty Gretna FC in 2007/08, this was the case then.
Thanks for joining in.
I have one thing that puzzles me though, Eddie is not a director, at least I thought he wasn't, he owns it would that make a difference?

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Re: The Debt.

Post by LeverEnd » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:01 am

Hoboh wrote: Thanks for joining in.
I have one thing that puzzles me though, Eddie is not a director, at least I thought he wasn't, he owns it would that make a difference?
Just the one?!
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Re: The Debt.

Post by Gudnib » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:15 am

Hoboh wrote:
Shutt666 wrote:Been reading for some while, even more so in such troubled times, but never took the time to register and join in.

Seen the same question cropping up a few times and as an Accountant thought I should register to repay some of the information I have leeched from you in the past.

First the Inland Revenue has a duty to the taxpayers to not worsen their position. So if Dec 1st they are owed say £1m and by Jan 1st that has risen to £1.1m they are obliged to take action, generally administration, to protect taxpayers money. They were given this power in return for giving up their rights as a preferential creditor, although there was talk last year about returning that right.

Secondly a few people ask why Eddie Davies would wind up his own company and lose all his investment. One reason why he would choose to do this is any Director of a Company can be held personally liable for any increase in the debt from the point he knows, or is expected to know, that the business is trading insolvently. Another reason is if the a business enters voluntary administration the Directors can choose the administrators provided crditors do not object. So if he knows the IR is about to wind the company up first, he can step in first.

I am not an expert on administration, but assuming legistlation is as it was when I was the accountant for the once mighty Gretna FC in 2007/08, this was the case then.
Thanks for joining in.
I have one thing that puzzles me though, Eddie is not a director, at least I thought he wasn't, he owns it would that make a difference?
You are right on both points Hoboh. Eddie has not been a director for 5 or 6 years and it does make a difference

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Gary the Enfield » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:26 am

Have we gone bust yet?

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Worthy4England » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:28 am

Gary the Enfield wrote:Have we gone bust yet?

Lemmie see....Heads, Yes - Tails, No....



Errr anyone got a coin?

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:44 am

Worthy4England wrote:Errr anyone got a coin?
Throw that tax bill in the air. "Heads" if it lands letterhead-side up.

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Worthy4England » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:46 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:Errr anyone got a coin?
Throw that tax bill in the air. "Heads" if it lands letterhead-side up.
I think someone should keep that tax bill in their pocket. :-)

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Hoboh » Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:53 pm

Looks like insano's pal Richard was wrong again! :mrgreen:
BWFC still exists.

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Re: The Debt.

Post by Riviman » Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:43 pm

Hoboh wrote:Looks like insano's pal Richard was wrong again! :mrgreen:
BWFC still exists.

Friday aint over yet !!
I feel reborn !!!! No more confussion

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Re: The Debt.

Post by bobo the clown » Fri Dec 04, 2015 7:50 pm

Riviman wrote:
Hoboh wrote:Looks like insano's pal Richard was wrong again! :mrgreen:
BWFC still exists.
Friday aint over yet !!
Yeah, but it's Friday and so early finishing. Plus Christmas Party season so no-one will want to be there late .....AND you want to get through that bloody awful traffic.

I reckon we'll still exist ... till Monday at least.
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Re: The Debt.

Post by jonnycooper » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:46 pm

So is it safe to go ahead and book mine and Mrs j,s panto seats at the Whites Hotel then or not?


Edit=Will bobo be performing in character on the 19th? :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Debt.

Post by bobo the clown » Fri Dec 04, 2015 9:07 pm

jonnycooper wrote:So is it safe to go ahead and book mine and Mrs j,s panto seats at the Whites Hotel then or not?


Edit=Will bobo be performing in character on the 19th? :lol: :lol:
Yes, he will.


(Oh no he won't)

Ad infinitum. Or is that ad nauseum ?
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Re: The Debt.

Post by jonnycooper » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:36 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
jonnycooper wrote:So is it safe to go ahead and book mine and Mrs j,s panto seats at the Whites Hotel then or not?


Edit=Will bobo be performing in character on the 19th? :lol: :lol:
Yes, he will.


(Oh no he won't)

Ad infinitum. Or is that ad nauseum ?
:mrgreen:

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Re: The Debt.

Post by TKIZ! » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:03 am

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... Wanderers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

Is this real? Deano has stumped up the cash??
Pfffft.

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