Losing The Dressing Room - No Such Thing

[Nottingham_Blancs]

I've read quite a few threads on here about Dougie 'losing the dressing room'.

I'm sorry but there is no such thing as losing the dressing room.

As a professional in any job, you might not agree with what your manager is asking you to do, you may not even like your manager, you might even challenge what your manager says in a sensible discussion.

What you DON'T do is lose you professional pride and "not try". "don't do a decent job". If you don't like what you are being asked to do or are not happy in your work, you vote with your feet and walk away.

To excuse a pathetic performance by BWFC players as "Dougie has lost the dressing room" is an easy excuse for the overrated, overpaid players in a "day glo" "hi vis" orange jersey.

Over the years, I've been asked to do jobs at work that I've not liked or tasks that I've not seen the sense with doing, but if it's the managements decision to do so, then you accept it as correct and get on with it. As long as it doesn't effect Health and Safety, doesn't break company policy, isn't immoral or illegal then you do it to the best of your ability. Dougie asking his back line to push up quick or release the ball quicker or play with pride and passion are none of the above.

If Dougie asks his players to have pride in the jersey after half time and they don't do so then don't use the pathetic excuse of he's lost the dressing room.

All I say to the players is have some pride in your work, you are only a temporary custodian of the BWFC jersey, but to those of us on the terraces your should treat the shirt with the respect and love that we do !

RANT OVER !

[truewhite15]

I've read quite a few threads on here about Dougie 'losing the dressing room'.

I'm sorry but there is no such thing as losing the dressing room.

As a professional in any job, you might not agree with what your manager is asking you to do, you may not even like your manager, you might even challenge what your manager says in a sensible discussion.

What you DON'T do is lose you professional pride and "not try". "don't do a decent job". If you don't like what you are being asked to do or are not happy in your work, you vote with your feet and walk away.

To excuse a pathetic performance by BWFC players as "Dougie has lost the dressing room" is an easy excuse for the overrated, overpaid players in a "day glo" "hi vis" orange jersey.

Over the years, I've been asked to do jobs at work that I've not liked or tasks that I've not seen the sense with doing, but if it's the managements decision to do so, then you accept it as correct and get on with it. As long as it doesn't effect Health and Safety, doesn't break company policy, isn't immoral or illegal then you do it to the best of your ability. Dougie asking his back line to push up quick or release the ball quicker or play with pride and passion are none of the above.

If Dougie asks his players to have pride in the jersey after half time and they don't do so then don't use the pathetic excuse of he's lost the dressing room.

All I say to the players is have some pride in your work, you are only a temporary custodian of the BWFC jersey, but to those of us on the terraces your should treat the shirt with the respect and love that we do !

RANT OVER !

Except we already know that in many ways, football is not a business like any other. Thus your comparisons to an office environment are redundant.

[Nottingham_Blancs]

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Except we already know that in many ways, football is not a business like any other. Thus your comparisons to an office environment are redundant.[/quote]

People not working with respect, honestly and hard working, applies to all industries, all walks of life..FOOTBALL is not exempt....and who says I work in an office and yes I've been made redundant !

[bobo the clown]

People not working with respect, honestly and hard working, applies to all industries, all walks of life..FOOTBALL is not exempt....and who says I work in an office and yes I've been made redundant !

Except we already know that in many ways, football is not a business like any other. Thus your comparisons to an office environment are redundant.

But if you make footballers, with some value, redundant, someone takes up their contract and we lose any fee we might have received. So it's NOT like any other business.

[Hoboh]

I've read quite a few threads on here about Dougie 'losing the dressing room'.

I'm sorry but there is no such thing as losing the dressing room.

As a professional in any job, you might not agree with what your manager is asking you to do, you may not even like your manager, you might even challenge what your manager says in a sensible discussion.

What you DON'T do is lose you professional pride and "not try". "don't do a decent job". If you don't like what you are being asked to do or are not happy in your work, you vote with your feet and walk away.

To excuse a pathetic performance by BWFC players as "Dougie has lost the dressing room" is an easy excuse for the overrated, overpaid players in a "day glo" "hi vis" orange jersey.

Over the years, I've been asked to do jobs at work that I've not liked or tasks that I've not seen the sense with doing, but if it's the managements decision to do so, then you accept it as correct and get on with it. As long as it doesn't effect Health and Safety, doesn't break company policy, isn't immoral or illegal then you do it to the best of your ability. Dougie asking his back line to push up quick or release the ball quicker or play with pride and passion are none of the above.

If Dougie asks his players to have pride in the jersey after half time and they don't do so then don't use the pathetic excuse of he's lost the dressing room.

All I say to the players is have some pride in your work, you are only a temporary custodian of the BWFC jersey, but to those of us on the terraces your should treat the shirt with the respect and love that we do !

RANT OVER !

Rubbish, sorry but rubbish.
Over the years I have from time to time seen managers who have 'lost' the people around them and to be honest it can become contagious and one hell of a lot of hard work to fix, my opinion is Megson started the rot and Garside’s appointments since have done little to fix the underlying malaise.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The thing is Notts, if you think the manager is a clueless wanker that makes no sense, then generally what happens is you just go along with it with little heart. When this continues for a long time you eventually get so fed up with it you pay lip service to it and your mind is elsewhere - whether that be looking for alternatives, or putting your efforts into your home life or whatever.

There is no belief in the club and hasn't been for a long time. Any manager with half a clue could sort that out in the time Dougie has had. Dougie instead concentrates on working out who is most in form so he can drop them and get a loan player in to take their place until they are out of form again. We've needed full-backs since he arrived at the club. Instead he insists on adding midfielders to the squad. What message does that send to the players and fans? He doesn't know what he's doing. I'm apathetic to the whole thing and I venture that the players and rest of the fans are too.

He's not just lost the dressing room, he's lost most of the fans...

[Thor]

I think if we compared it to the workplace, it would be like the owner of the Company bringing a very inexperienced person into a senior role. He probably interviews well and says what the owner wants to hear but the employees quickly realise the new bloke doesn't know what he is doing and morale (the dressing room) drops as he blames everyone else for his short comings as things take a downward spiral. Now most of these employees have worked with decent bosses in the past and quickly suss out and lose respect for the chancer and his new management team. I been in this situation myself and I'm sure many others have as well!

[SmokinFrazier]

Motivation is a key part of management and whilst players will still try to win regardless, a negative atmosphere at the club is bound to have an affect on performances. When working for an arrogant boss, you may not have gone into work thinking "I'm not going to to do a good job today" but you can guarantee that your performance would have been better if you had a great boss. Are you consciously going to put less effort in? Maybe not, but will you be more likely to work harder for someone you like rather than detest? I think so. I know I would.

[LeverEnd]

Motivation is a key part of management and whilst players will still try to win regardless, a negative atmosphere at the club is bound to have an affect on performances. When working for an arrogant boss, you may not have gone into work thinking "I'm not going to to do a good job today" but you can guarantee that your performance would have been better if you had a great boss. Are you consciously going to put less effort in? Maybe not, but will you be more likely to work harder for someone you like rather than detest? I think so. I know I would.

I agree. Once you lose faith in those managing you it can seem that your efforts are not making a difference or are being undermined and subconsciously it's easy to take the foot off the gas a bit.
I wouldn't say there is a general lack of effort from our players, more a lack of belief, and I do think that comes from inadequacy at the top. And a lack of character in certain players of course, but I do think that can be overcome.
It's possible that he can get people out in the summer and get players in on his wavelength and then get results, but not only do I think that unlikely, I don't think I like what being on his wavelength entails.

[Harry Genshaw]

Motivation is a key part of management and whilst players will still try to win regardless, a negative atmosphere at the club is bound to have an affect on performances. When working for an arrogant boss, you may not have gone into work thinking "I'm not going to to do a good job today" but you can guarantee that your performance would have been better if you had a great boss. Are you consciously going to put less effort in? Maybe not, but will you be more likely to work harder for someone you like rather than detest? I think so. I know I would.

Agreed. I think heads are more likely to drop too when you go a goal down

[Vertigo]

I have to disagree with the title of this thread. I play football (albeit lower league stuff), and when the players lose the respect of the manager, motivation goes out the window. There was a point last year, where in a meeting, the manager said some absolute garbage, and lost the respect of nearly every player, and our season went to shit from that moment on. Now we don't know what happens in the dressing room, but surely something is not working between Dougie and the players.

I guess the money these guys 'earn' can make a difference, but unless your motivation comes from playing for the shirt, the manager makes a huge difference (and even if you do, bad management can make it miserable). I'm not sure many of our players fall into that category at the moment.

[Norpig]

The problem with modern football is no matter how poor your performances are there is always someone willing to give you a job elsewhere. Therefore, if you don't agree with the management you just go through the motions until some other club comes in and snaps you up for a bargain price because the club in the end just wants you out. Which is now what has happened to Ngog he has been poor at Liverpool, we pick him up and think we can do better with him? Wrong!! There are now clubs lining up to take him on, crazy but true! If we sack DF today there will be clubs queueing up to take him?

In the real world you consistently put in poor performances and you will either be sacked or disciplined. This will make it harder to get another job not easier as it seems to be in football.