Southend (H) match thread 3/9/16 (3pm)

[Hoboh]

No more than any other.

We aren't in any other. Though I'd argue there is less between teams in this league than the two above it. Every game is a battle and the quality gap isn't huge.

I'll have a look later but I'm sure you claimed somewhere that the Championship was the hardest league, guess it's a standard change of plan for socialists.

The championship is the toughest league now because of the spending there plus the general quality across it. What I said about this league is that every game is competitive because there isn't a massive difference between teams.

We are unbeaten. We'd not be unbeaten in the championship.

So by default, it's easier then?

[BWFC_Insane]

No more than any other.

We aren't in any other. Though I'd argue there is less between teams in this league than the two above it. Every game is a battle and the quality gap isn't huge.

I'll have a look later but I'm sure you claimed somewhere that the Championship was the hardest league, guess it's a standard change of plan for socialists.

The championship is the toughest league now because of the spending there plus the general quality across it. What I said about this league is that every game is competitive because there isn't a massive difference between teams.

We are unbeaten. We'd not be unbeaten in the championship.

So by default, it's easier then?

So you understand the difference between competitive and your chance of winning a league?

We are competitive in this league. That means we have a chance every game. As does every other team. We wouldn't in the premiership. But then again some teams know they will be dominant there and some fixtures are heavily skewed towards one team winning. This league is not like that. All it means is that every result we grind out is a good one and people shouldn't expect us to walk any game.

[LeverEnd]

Yesterday was not a good result ground out. It was 2 points dropped again an inferior team. I'm not being negative or hyper critical it's just a fact. Do you think PP is happy with a single point? Clearly not, he'll be looking at the 2nd half and how long get that for more of the 90 minutes. That's what people are looking for. The team was rightly applauded off for the 2nd half performance, I'm. Not seeing negativity or unrealistic expectations

[BWFC_Insane]

Yesterday was not a good result ground out. It was 2 points dropped again an inferior team. I'm not being negative or hyper critical it's just a fact. Do you think PP is happy with a single point? Clearly not, he'll be looking at the 2nd half and how long get that for more of the 90 minutes. That's what people are looking for. The team was rightly applauded off for the 2nd half performance, I'm. Not seeing negativity or unrealistic expectations

Different argument. My point was first half we didn't play dreadfully. We created three cracking chances and but for blocks on the line would have gone in ahead.

The unrealistic expectations is anyone describing the first half performance as 'dreadful'. You could only call it dreadful if your expectation was we would win about 6-0.

Ultimately teams won't roll over and every result we get will be hard earned. There isn't a massive quality gap between ourselves and everyone else in this league. We've got where we are by grinding out results and we will have to continue that as I don't see us playing many of any off the park.

[boltonboris]

I thought we were unlucky and I think Southend played the second half out exactly as I'd expect us too against a superior team away from home. Fair play to them.

The new signings looked absolutely fine and whilst Henry moved the ball well, I wouldn't have him playing through the centre every week!

We missed Davies' guile and whilst people question his end-product (goals and assists), I think we look a poorer team going forward without him.

Their left back scored a cracker, but he was dreadful and I think we should have gone for him a lot earlier. Took a while to cotton onto the fact he was their weak-link

[BWFC_Insane]

I thought we were unlucky and I think Southend played the second half out exactly as I'd expect us too against a superior team away from home. Fair play to them.

The new signings looked absolutely fine and whilst Henry moved the ball well, I wouldn't have him playing through the centre every week!

We missed Davies' guile and whilst people question his end-product (goals and assists), I think we look a poorer team going forward without him.

Their left back scored a cracker, but he was dreadful and I think we should have gone for him a lot earlier. Took a while to cotton onto the fact he was their weak-link

I'd agree we missed Davies. Though not hugely. I mean the issue was always what he offered in end product compared to what he was paid for an attacking midfield player. But we missed his energy on the ball.

Like you I don't want to see Henry there all that often, I'm sure he will supply lots from the right but he looked a little uncomfortable inside. Mind only one training session and all that.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

So it was still a 4-4-2 diamond with Henry at the tip? When Ameobi replaced Henry, did he play there too or out wide?

[Worthy4England]

I thought we were unlucky and I think Southend played the second half out exactly as I'd expect us too against a superior team away from home. Fair play to them.

The new signings looked absolutely fine and whilst Henry moved the ball well, I wouldn't have him playing through the centre every week!

We missed Davies' guile and whilst people question his end-product (goals and assists), I think we look a poorer team going forward without him.

Their left back scored a cracker, but he was dreadful and I think we should have gone for him a lot earlier. Took a while to cotton onto the fact he was their weak-link

I'd agree we missed Davies. Though not hugely. I mean the issue was always what he offered in end product compared to what he was paid for an attacking midfield player. But we missed his energy on the ball.

Like you I don't want to see Henry there all that often, I'm sure he will supply lots from the right but he looked a little uncomfortable inside. Mind only one training session and all that.

People might think I'm overly critical of Mavies. I set him a higher standard than say, Trotter, because I know he's capable of so much more - he's shown it on occasions. My gripe is all the times he doesn't reach that high standard (he can still do that and look better than Trotter) and all the times he's injured.

[BWFC_Insane]

So it was still a 4-4-2 diamond with Henry at the tip? When Ameobi replaced Henry, did he play there too or out wide?

Yes same system with Henry top of midfield. Didn't look like his position to me.

Amoebic played up front, sort of. And Anderson went into that tip of diamond role. Which actually didn't work that well as Anderson had their defence on toast most of the time when he dropped deeper they had it easier. Though Ameobi did well too.

[Harry Genshaw]

Although Mavies let us down repeatedly in terms of what he was capable of, this season especially he had a lot of possession and held onto it for long periods. With that element missing if there's no one else capable of putting their foot on the ball, it's going to disrupt our rhythm somewhat

[StaffsTrotter]

Although Mavies let us down repeatedly in terms of what he was capable of, this season especially he had a lot of possession and held onto it for long periods. With that element missing if there's no one else capable of putting their foot on the ball, it's going to disrupt our rhythm somewhat

I actually liked the look of Henry and thought he fulfilled that Mavies role, but was actually a bit more progressive about what he was looking to do - nice quick balls into the guys in front of him and looking for a return. Just thought, understandably, that others needed to get onto his wavelength (if they can). Given he's been a winger with some goals in him but not initially used there, I'm suspecting PP sees him as the attacking central midfielder

[Worthy4England]

Although Mavies let us down repeatedly in terms of what he was capable of, this season especially he had a lot of possession and held onto it for long periods. With that element missing if there's no one else capable of putting their foot on the ball, it's going to disrupt our rhythm somewhat

I actually liked the look of Henry and thought he fulfilled that Mavies role, but was actually a bit more progressive about what he was looking to do - nice quick balls into the guys in front of him and looking for a return. Just thought, understandably, that others needed to get onto his wavelength (if they can). Given he's been a winger with some goals in him but not initially used there, I'm suspecting PP sees him as the attacking central midfielder

That's gonna confuse some players...we're domed.

[TANGODANCER]

Although Mavies let us down repeatedly in terms of what he was capable of, this season especially he had a lot of possession and held onto it for long periods. With that element missing if there's no one else capable of putting their foot on the ball, it's going to disrupt our rhythm somewhat

Could have sworn the commentator mentioned Anderson did that a couple of times on Saturday?

[boltonboris]

Although Mavies let us down repeatedly in terms of what he was capable of, this season especially he had a lot of possession and held onto it for long periods. With that element missing if there's no one else capable of putting their foot on the ball, it's going to disrupt our rhythm somewhat

Could have sworn the commentator mentioned Anderson did that a couple of times on Saturday?

He's a striker though, so if he's doing that it means he's nowhere near goal

[TKIZ!]

T'other fan website/blog has some words from a Wolves fan who says that Henry is both a winger and attacking midfielder. He's not massively quick but has the nous to get the ball in the box