The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

[BWFC_Insane]

Career totals 329 games, 85 goals

And he's a winger.

Let's compare that to Madine's 63 goals in 237 appearances as a centre forward. Hmmm.

To be consistent though, Bruce, 62 of McGinn's have come in what you've frequently termed a pub league (plus seven more in the Scottish Cups / League Cup). Six were before that in the League of Ireland, and five were in Europa League qualifiers against Daugava Riga, Groningen, Shkendija Tetovo (Macedonia) and CS Fola Esch (Luxembourg). Which leaves the five he scored in our third tier.

I've no idea how many Madine might have scored in Scotland...

And as I keep saying, Madine has a marginally better goal to game ratio here than SKD did.

Given what he offers to the team I think it is appropriate to suggest he shouldn't only be judged on goals.

Before I get angry responses, yes SKD was a far better player...but also one who earned far more, played at the top level (as opposed to being here when we were in league one) and had much better players around him.

And I don't think Madine is good enough to be our first choice target man next season and think we'll need to improve on that. I think he could be a back up if a suitably cheap deal could be agreed.

[Bruce Rioja]

Career totals 329 games, 85 goals

And he's a winger.

Let's compare that to Madine's 63 goals in 237 appearances as a centre forward. Hmmm.

To be consistent though, Bruce, 62 of McGinn's have come in what you've frequently termed a pub league (plus seven more in the Scottish Cups / League Cup). Six were before that in the League of Ireland, and five were in Europa League qualifiers against Daugava Riga, Groningen, Shkendija Tetovo (Macedonia) and CS Fola Esch (Luxembourg). Which leaves the five he scored in our third tier.

I've no idea how many Madine might have scored in Scotland...

And as I keep saying, Madine has a marginally better goal to game ratio here than SKD did.

Given what he offers to the team I think it is appropriate to suggest he shouldn't only be judged on goals.

Before I get angry responses, yes SKD was a far better player...but also one who earned far more, played at the top level (as opposed to being here when we were in league one) and had much better players around him.

And I don't think Madine is good enough to be our first choice target man next season and think we'll need to improve on that. I think he could be a back up if a suitably cheap deal could be agreed.

I'm stating facts. It's all the rage. Further - DSB, " in what you've frequently termed a pub league ". Have I?

[BWFC_Insane]

Career totals 329 games, 85 goals

And he's a winger.

Let's compare that to Madine's 63 goals in 237 appearances as a centre forward. Hmmm.

To be consistent though, Bruce, 62 of McGinn's have come in what you've frequently termed a pub league (plus seven more in the Scottish Cups / League Cup). Six were before that in the League of Ireland, and five were in Europa League qualifiers against Daugava Riga, Groningen, Shkendija Tetovo (Macedonia) and CS Fola Esch (Luxembourg). Which leaves the five he scored in our third tier.

I've no idea how many Madine might have scored in Scotland...

And as I keep saying, Madine has a marginally better goal to game ratio here than SKD did.

Given what he offers to the team I think it is appropriate to suggest he shouldn't only be judged on goals.

Before I get angry responses, yes SKD was a far better player...but also one who earned far more, played at the top level (as opposed to being here when we were in league one) and had much better players around him.

And I don't think Madine is good enough to be our first choice target man next season and think we'll need to improve on that. I think he could be a back up if a suitably cheap deal could be agreed.

I'm stating facts. It's all the rage. Further - DSB, " in what you've frequently termed a pub league ". Have I?

Indeed. But sometimes facts need the context adding!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I'm stating facts. It's all the rage. Further - DSB, " in what you've frequently termed a pub league ". Have I?

Without checking, ISTR you previously derogating Scottish football. I may be wrong, it's been known. If you haven't, I apologise.

[Bruce Rioja]

I'm stating facts. It's all the rage. Further - DSB, " in what you've frequently termed a pub league ". Have I?

Without checking, ISTR you previously derogating Scottish football. I may be wrong, it's been known. If you haven't, I apologise.

Feel free to use the search facility. Apology accepted.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I'm stating facts. It's all the rage. Further - DSB, " in what you've frequently termed a pub league ". Have I?

Without checking, ISTR you previously derogating Scottish football. I may be wrong, it's been known. If you haven't, I apologise.

Feel free to use the search facility. Apology accepted.

Good good. Would you place the Scottish top flight on a par with our second division? Third? First?

[Bruce Rioja]

I'm stating facts. It's all the rage. Further - DSB, " in what you've frequently termed a pub league ". Have I?

Without checking, ISTR you previously derogating Scottish football. I may be wrong, it's been known. If you haven't, I apologise.

Feel free to use the search facility. Apology accepted.

Good good. Would you place the Scottish top flight on a par with our second division? Third? First?

It's a good question, but not one that I could possibly answer. I don't watch any Scottish football. In fact, I watch very little football that doesn't involve BWFC. I do record MotD though, however, even as the Premiership draws to its conclusion I still find myself pointing at players who play for City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and the likes and asking "Who the 4uck's he?"

As somebody who watches football considerably more than I, might I ask you the same question regarding the which English league is most comparable with the SPL?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I'm hardly the most avid watcher, but my hunch is that it's very stratified. All this is theoretical guesswork and may irritate Scots-watchers, which is not my intention, but I'd say Celtic - buoyed (Bhoyed?) by a good home record, less effective on the road - would be among the ever-expanding Premier League midtable morass who collect between 40 and 50 points, basically everyone from 8th to 17th. (I've written something on this topic which should be on FourFourTwo.com tomorrow.) Aberdeen and possibly Rangers would be relegation battlers, maybe yoyo clubs. After that it's Championship level and the worst top-flight Scottish clubs might even struggle in that theoretical division. Of course as they benefited from the increased money in the English game they'd quickly be able to afford better players, but who'd choose Ross County over Reading?

[BWFC_Insane]

For me, honest view, I think average standard of the SPL is league one. Some teams would struggle to stay in league one. I'd say ourselves and Sheffield United would have been amongst top 4 in SPL last year without a doubt.

[bristol_Wanderer3]

Yeah I roughly agree with BWFCI. I think Celtic would be on a similar level to Sunderland this season i.e. Some Premiership level players, but as a team not really competitive at that level. They would always be near the top of the Championship. Then the next couple of teams, Aberdeen and Rangers currently, would be mid table Championship, then the rest anywhere from the bottom of L1 to the top of L1. This actually makes sense when you look at the Scottish TV deal:

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1383192-t ... l-tv-deal/

Those at the top of the Scottish Premiership get less than a Championship club, and those at the bottom of that league get less than any English league club, even lower than an English L2 club and their £350k solidarity payment. Obviously Celtic and Rangers have terrific levels of support, and european competition so in theory might have upper Championship level budgets, maybe very top level (including parachute payments) for Celtic who get regular group stage CL money.

[Prufrock]

Agree as far as current standard goes. No doubt the big two would end up top half prem though.

[Bruce Rioja]

I'm hardly the most avid watcher, but my hunch is that it's very stratified. All this is theoretical guesswork and may irritate Scots-watchers, which is not my intention, but I'd say Celtic - buoyed (Bhoyed?) by a good home record, less effective on the road - would be among the ever-expanding Premier League midtable morass who collect between 40 and 50 points, basically everyone from 8th to 17th. (I've written something on this topic which should be on FourFourTwo.com tomorrow.) Aberdeen and possibly Rangers would be relegation battlers, maybe yoyo clubs. After that it's Championship level and the worst top-flight Scottish clubs might even struggle in that theoretical division. Of course as they benefited from the increased money in the English game they'd quickly be able to afford better players, but who'd choose Ross County over Reading?

If forced at gunpoint to give an analogy, then this is basically what I would have come up with (only less eloquently and with added expletives )

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I'm hardly the most avid watcher, but my hunch is that it's very stratified. All this is theoretical guesswork and may irritate Scots-watchers, which is not my intention, but I'd say Celtic - buoyed (Bhoyed?) by a good home record, less effective on the road - would be among the ever-expanding Premier League midtable morass who collect between 40 and 50 points, basically everyone from 8th to 17th. (I've written something on this topic which should be on FourFourTwo.com tomorrow.) Aberdeen and possibly Rangers would be relegation battlers, maybe yoyo clubs. After that it's Championship level and the worst top-flight Scottish clubs might even struggle in that theoretical division. Of course as they benefited from the increased money in the English game they'd quickly be able to afford better players, but who'd choose Ross County over Reading?

If forced at gunpoint to give an analogy, then this is basically what I would have come up with (only less eloquently and with added expletives )

Cheers. Like this?

Being hopelessly played in by Wee Jocky McShitnugget whist playing for Braw Bricht Moonlicht Nicht Highlanders in the Skelpit Lug league means you'll be equally as poor when being served by better players. Natch.

[Bruce Rioja]

I'm hardly the most avid watcher, but my hunch is that it's very stratified. All this is theoretical guesswork and may irritate Scots-watchers, which is not my intention, but I'd say Celtic - buoyed (Bhoyed?) by a good home record, less effective on the road - would be among the ever-expanding Premier League midtable morass who collect between 40 and 50 points, basically everyone from 8th to 17th. (I've written something on this topic which should be on FourFourTwo.com tomorrow.) Aberdeen and possibly Rangers would be relegation battlers, maybe yoyo clubs. After that it's Championship level and the worst top-flight Scottish clubs might even struggle in that theoretical division. Of course as they benefited from the increased money in the English game they'd quickly be able to afford better players, but who'd choose Ross County over Reading?

If forced at gunpoint to give an analogy, then this is basically what I would have come up with (only less eloquently and with added expletives )

Cheers. Like this?

Being hopelessly played in by Wee Jocky McShitnugget whist playing for Braw Bricht Moonlicht Nicht Highlanders in the Skelpit Lug league means you'll be equally as poor when being served by better players. Natch.

Of course Was that in response to one of our Caledonian scout's posts (which is simply fair game)?

[BWFC_Insane]

Size of club wise Celtic and Rangers would competed mid table in the premiership. Celtic's current side would be relegated and be upper tiers championship level in my view.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Cheers. Like this?

Being hopelessly played in by Wee Jocky McShitnugget whist playing for Braw Bricht Moonlicht Nicht Highlanders in the Skelpit Lug league means you'll be equally as poor when being served by better players. Natch.

Of course Was that in response to one of our Caledonian scout's posts (which is simply fair game)?

Yes and indeed.

[TonyDomingos]

Doesn't the Neil Lennon debacle prove that the Championship is of a higher standard than the Scottish Prem?

[twilight]

Well, I'm going to be the first to start this exciting era in our club's life in the Championship for the 2017/18 Season with a rumour!!!
Dani Calvo from Numancia allegedly signing on a 2 year deal (Defender)

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Iles says Karacan has agreed a one-year deal (with optional second year) pending a medical; confident noises about more re-signings to follow.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... r_signing/

[BWFC_Insane]

Iles says Karacan has agreed a one-year deal (with optional second year) pending a medical; confident noises about more re-signings to follow.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... r_signing/

Yeah. A weird one to progress first, but to get someone at the right age with real championship experience and pedigree, and even premiership experience is a good deal imo.