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Re: The next manager

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:15 pm

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There’s a fine line between stone stepping and future building though. A young manager is likely to be ambitious, and even in the best case scenario we may not progress as fast as their career may take them. Someone may start out for the long haul, put 2 good years in and then a championship club comes calling.

It’s a fairly unique opportunity for someone though - decent fan base, good facilities and a complete blank canvas of a squad, with new owners looking to win over fans.

Whoever comes in will be completely rebuilding the club which is why I think it’s imperative we get the right person.
Yep, true. I get that. I'd rather get someone good for a bit than crap for ages :D but I do think we need to temper expectations. Frankly, a young rising manager will rise faster than us. Which is why...
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I feel we are suddenly a very attractive proposition now. New owners with a plan, the club ready for progress again, good stadium and facilities, people in the game still respect us and remember us being a decent Prem side.

I wonder if existing L1 managers will be applying or amenable to switching? The Cowley brothers at Lincoln for instance?
I doubt they'd drop down from Lincoln to Bolton. That sentence hurt. But Lincoln are a club looking up, we're licking our wounds. And the Cowleys have no little ambition. They'll be eyeing the Championship casino.

Yes, the new owners have a plan. And I like the plan. The plan is to live within budget. We're in a posh house but we're aiming to be a Just About Managing family.

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Re: The next manager

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:16 pm

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:10 pm
There aren’t many other jobs around that don’t start with some sort of clear out. We’ve done all of that. Whoever comes in will have a complete blank canvas to build their ideal squad and shape the whole club in their image.
With what transfer budget?

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Re: The next manager

Post by jimbo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:19 pm

Correct about people like the Cowley’s. Barring a miracle we’ll be in league 2 next season. We’re looking at people happy to work at that level if we’re realistic.
I was saying Boo-urns

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Re: The next manager

Post by Prufrock » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:20 pm

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Brian McDermott. He's doing nowt :)
Successful at Leeds Rhinos, but largely carried by an experienced group of players I reckon. Not sure he’d transfer across to football very well.
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Re: The next manager

Post by jimbo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:22 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:16 pm
jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:10 pm
There aren’t many other jobs around that don’t start with some sort of clear out. We’ve done all of that. Whoever comes in will have a complete blank canvas to build their ideal squad and shape the whole club in their image.
With what transfer budget?
We won’t have millions to spend, but I assume our budget will be on a par with an average L1 side. Surely having the whole budget to build a squad is more interesting to a manager than inheriting an already bloated squad and having to make cuts before bringing any of his own players in.
I was saying Boo-urns

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Re: The next manager

Post by jimbo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:22 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:20 pm
jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:00 pm
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:52 am
Brian McDermott. He's doing nowt :)
Successful at Leeds Rhinos, but largely carried by an experienced group of players I reckon. Not sure he’d transfer across to football very well.

They were both Leeds manager at the same time for a bit, weren't they?
Yeah. The rugby one was a lot more successful!
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Re: The next manager

Post by jimbo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:27 pm

jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:22 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:16 pm
jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:10 pm
There aren’t many other jobs around that don’t start with some sort of clear out. We’ve done all of that. Whoever comes in will have a complete blank canvas to build their ideal squad and shape the whole club in their image.
With what transfer budget?
We won’t have millions to spend, but I assume our budget will be on a par with an average L1 side. Surely having the whole budget to build a squad is more interesting to a manager than inheriting an already bloated squad and having to make cuts before bringing any of his own players in.
Most clubs will also have odd bits from previous regimes; players recruited to fit different manager’s plans, and then have to try to blend them into a functioning team. Here if a manager wants a whole squad suited to high energy pressing, or twatting it to a big man, or passing teams to death, he can recruit accordingly rather than having to shoehorn the players he has into a system.
I was saying Boo-urns

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Re: The next manager

Post by Enoch » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:28 pm

It's all a bag of ifs, buts and maybes.

Duchâtelet has taken a punt on all sorts in his time at Charlton with very limited success, until almost by accident he appointed an aspirational youngster with no experience of management. The kid's stock has risen at exactly the same rate as Charlton's; little chance at the moment of any Championship club prising him away (unless Leeds came sniffing I guess).

Whoever gets the job, there are many more failures in football management than successes. I'll support each and every failure til some sunshine breaks through the cloud.

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Re: The next manager

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:30 pm

jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:22 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:16 pm
jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:10 pm
There aren’t many other jobs around that don’t start with some sort of clear out. We’ve done all of that. Whoever comes in will have a complete blank canvas to build their ideal squad and shape the whole club in their image.
With what transfer budget?
We won’t have millions to spend, but I assume our budget will be on a par with an average L1 side. Surely having the whole budget to build a squad is more interesting to a manager than inheriting an already bloated squad and having to make cuts before bringing any of his own players in.
On the first bit: let's see. The protracted takeover suggests FV are not the type to splash money. Wouldn't surprise me if we are careful with the cash, even by third-tier standards.

On the second bit: yes, for sure - as you say it's blank canvas. But then again, it's not the dream duo of Blank Canvas + Blank Cheque. And, to be fair, some managers actually like going in making other people's failures work. Look at Parky with Madine.

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Re: The next manager

Post by LeverEnd » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:38 pm

Enoch wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:28 pm
It's all a bag of ifs, buts and maybes.

Duchâtelet has taken a punt on all sorts in his time at Charlton with very limited success, until almost by accident he appointed an aspirational youngster with no experience of management. The kid's stock has risen at exactly the same rate as Charlton's; little chance at the moment of any Championship club prising him away (unless Leeds came sniffing I guess).

Whoever gets the job, there are many more failures in football management than successes. I'll support each and every failure til some sunshine breaks through the cloud.
Awwwwwww!!! You're a little ray of sunshine Enoch. Going to give you a big cuddle tomorrow.

In other news my mate's mate who.is Keith hill's mate too reckons he's been interviewed today.
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Re: The next manager

Post by bristol_Wanderer3 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:41 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:15 pm
jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:09 pm
There’s a fine line between stone stepping and future building though. A young manager is likely to be ambitious, and even in the best case scenario we may not progress as fast as their career may take them. Someone may start out for the long haul, put 2 good years in and then a championship club comes calling.

It’s a fairly unique opportunity for someone though - decent fan base, good facilities and a complete blank canvas of a squad, with new owners looking to win over fans.

Whoever comes in will be completely rebuilding the club which is why I think it’s imperative we get the right person.
Yep, true. I get that. I'd rather get someone good for a bit than crap for ages :D but I do think we need to temper expectations. Frankly, a young rising manager will rise faster than us. Which is why...
bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:08 pm
I feel we are suddenly a very attractive proposition now. New owners with a plan, the club ready for progress again, good stadium and facilities, people in the game still respect us and remember us being a decent Prem side.

I wonder if existing L1 managers will be applying or amenable to switching? The Cowley brothers at Lincoln for instance?
I doubt they'd drop down from Lincoln to Bolton. That sentence hurt. But Lincoln are a club looking up, we're licking our wounds. And the Cowleys have no little ambition. They'll be eyeing the Championship casino.

Yes, the new owners have a plan. And I like the plan. The plan is to live within budget. We're in a posh house but we're aiming to be a Just About Managing family.
Dunno :)

I agree we have our issues, but they are bottomed out now. We are in a desperate position in L1, and any manager will have a very limited scope to improve a weak squad to be competitive this season with the TW shut.

On the other hand Lincoln might already be struggling to match the ambition of the Cowleys. Interesting article on that, and them here:

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/spor ... es-2819339

Even what is initially a backwards move must be very tempting for an ambitious manager at this level? Whilst we should temper expectations and expect to live a more humble existence than in our recent past, we shouldn't talk ourselves down too much I feel. We have a Championship set up, and now it appears a stable, progressive situation at the top. Any manager who gets it going here can aim for much loftier ambitions than with most other L1/L2 clubs.

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Re: The next manager

Post by LeverEnd » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pm

We always talk ourselves down in terms of attractiveness to managers, but we are a decent proposition. Could be a great journey for an ambitious young manager. Not much money but minimal pressure and not having to work with the last manager's sloppy seconds.
Oh, but surely just for one day, we could fight and we could win
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Re: The next manager

Post by jimbo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:52 pm

LeverEnd wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pm
We always talk ourselves down in terms of attractiveness to managers, but we are a decent proposition. Could be a great journey for an ambitious young manager. Not much money but minimal pressure and not having to work with the last manager's sloppy seconds.
I feel the thing holding us back is near certain relegation this year. I feel we’d be much more attractive if we were in May, already relegated where someone could then start planning a promotion push. Big risk for a young manager being the one to relegate mighty Bolton to league 2. Follow that up with a below par start in league 2 and it could be career over for them before it got going.
I was saying Boo-urns

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Re: The next manager

Post by Branagan » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:01 pm

jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:52 pm
LeverEnd wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pm
We always talk ourselves down in terms of attractiveness to managers, but we are a decent proposition. Could be a great journey for an ambitious young manager. Not much money but minimal pressure and not having to work with the last manager's sloppy seconds.
I feel the thing holding us back is near certain relegation this year. I feel we’d be much more attractive if we were in May, already relegated where someone could then start planning a promotion push. Big risk for a young manager being the one to relegate mighty Bolton to league 2. Follow that up with a below par start in league 2 and it could be career over for them before it got going.
The way I'd pitch it to a manager: "Nobody is going to sack you if you get relegated but put up a fight along the way, so you've got two seasons to rebuild rather than one."

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Re: The next manager

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:13 pm

Branagan wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:01 pm
jimbo wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:52 pm
LeverEnd wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pm
We always talk ourselves down in terms of attractiveness to managers, but we are a decent proposition. Could be a great journey for an ambitious young manager. Not much money but minimal pressure and not having to work with the last manager's sloppy seconds.
I feel the thing holding us back is near certain relegation this year. I feel we’d be much more attractive if we were in May, already relegated where someone could then start planning a promotion push. Big risk for a young manager being the one to relegate mighty Bolton to league 2. Follow that up with a below par start in league 2 and it could be career over for them before it got going.
The way I'd pitch it to a manager: "Nobody is going to sack you if you get relegated but put up a fight along the way, so you've got two seasons to rebuild rather than one."
^ that, I agree with.
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Re: The next manager

Post by DJBlu » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:47 pm

Nixon is saying Sharon wants Nigel Pearson.

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Re: The next manager

Post by Bertie Wooster » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:49 pm

Sounds like Pearson is an ambitious managerial target for FV, which would do for me - I'd like Pearson as Manager or if not Nolan, I don't want Hill.

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Re: The next manager

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DJBlu wrote:
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Nixon is saying Sharon wants Nigel Pearson.
As a lover? Or....

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Re: The next manager

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:23 pm

Nigel Pearson has always struck me as being little other than a school bully. Oh for the second coming of a Bruce Rioch right now.
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Re: The next manager

Post by LeverEnd » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:56 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
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Nigel Pearson has always struck me as being little other than a school bully. Oh for the second coming of a Bruce Rioch right now.
Old school disciplinarian. Martin O'Neill?
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I'd give it Nolan though if he wants it. Get Peter Reid or someone like in as assistant.
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