Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

[GhostoftheBok]

Regardless of any concerns or how we can imagine it working/not working, it's not in doubt that Baka offers something totally different to the squad. We don't have anything like him and a manager having options is no bad thing.

Kabongo Tshimanga would still fit in very nicely, though. Again, something different. A quick, strong and direct goal scorer. If he can cut it in league football. Dunno if that previous link in this thread was an either or with him and Baka.

[Bertie Wooster]

I'm sure that IE will bring in a couple of other forward players, another centre forward & a winger.

[Bertie Wooster]

I can see the Kaikai rumour being real, but I can't see the latest rumour about Chris Martin being accurate as his wages are way out of our league & I can't see him dropping down to League 1 - but I can see IE bringing in a decent finisher.

[BWFC_Insane]

I can see the Kaikai rumour being real, but I can't see the latest rumour about Chris Martin being accurate as his wages are way out of our league & I can't see him dropping down to League 1 - but I can see IE bringing in a decent finisher.

Not seen Chris Martin linked at all.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I'm not that worried that Doyle can't step up to this division – he has a good record here even with shit teams. What worries me is that if he's the 1 in the 4231 we need other options up top (because as you say, we'll be less dominant therefore he'll be running his legs to stumps) and we also need other goalscorers.

I have nothing against Baka, I agree he brings something welcomely different, and am intrigued to see if we can help him kick on, but I have to agree that if that's it for striker signings, I will worry - not because Doyler isn't *good* enough, but because he simply isn't enough, alone, for a full season.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not that worried that Doyle can't step up to this division – he has a good record here even with shit teams. What worries me is that if he's the 1 in the 4231 we need other options up top (because as you say, we'll be less dominant therefore he'll be running his legs to stumps) and we also need other goalscorers.

I have nothing against Baka, I agree he brings something welcomely different, and am intrigued to see if we can help him kick on, but I have to agree that if that's it for striker signings, I will worry - not because Doyler isn't *good* enough, but because he simply isn't enough, alone, for a full season.

Yeah Doyle is fine it’s the fact that as you say he won’t be able to do it all season especially if we are more starved of possession. I’m less worried about Baka on the basis that everyone says he works incredibly hard. So big lad, quick and works hard. Are we signing any better realistically? Probably not. But it’s more the balance of goals and I’d ideally like other attacking players out wide and in midfield with a goals record. For the reason that we can play several of those but probably just one striker. A wide player who chips in and another Sarce type would for me be useful.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Yeah Doyle is fine it’s the fact that as you say he won’t be able to do it all season especially if we are more starved of possession. I’m less worried about Baka on the basis that everyone says he works incredibly hard. So big lad, quick and works hard. Are we signing any better realistically? Probably not. But it’s more the balance of goals and I’d ideally like other attacking players out wide and in midfield with a goals record. For the reason that we can play several of those but probably just one striker. A wide player who chips in and another Sarce type would for me be useful.

This is the nub of it. From previous third-tier records, Doyler will score enough, but he's 33 and we can't expect him to peg about the place for 46 x 90 minutes. By contrast, I'm sure Baka can run a marathon but on previous record he won't trouble the scorers. Dapo is yet to be a regular scorer, Isgrove has never really had that in his locker at any level, and Sarce's goal involvements have been notably sparser in D3 – a goal or assist every 6.2 games as opposed to every 2.5 in D4.

No need to panic, and I'm sure good players are to come; but overall, as noted, the quality has started to dip a little.

[GhostoftheBok]

Doyle is fine and he will probably grab a few. He's the only "guaranteed" scorer we have, though. Dapo should score more based on chances, but he didn't. Isgrove doesn't get into the right positions to score regularly. Delf is a worker and not really a scorer and it seems like the new lad is the same. Sarcevic will notch a few, but it's not enough all put together.

We are likely to concede more this season, so we also need to score more. Nothing so far in the market to suggest we will. We need to sign a forward who might rival Doyle for goals and another player who can be trusted to get close to double figures.

A set piece specialist wouldn't hurt either, given our notable issues there. That would certainly help our goal "balance", if we could start to get the centre backs chipping in with a few.

[BWFC_Insane]

Doyle is fine and he will probably grab a few. He's the only "guaranteed" scorer we have, though. Dapo should score more based on chances, but he didn't. Isgrove doesn't get into the right positions to score regularly. Delf is a worker and not really a scorer and it seems like the new lad is the same. Sarcevic will notch a few, but it's not enough all put together.

We are likely to concede more this season, so we also need to score more. Nothing so far in the market to suggest we will. We need to sign a forward who might rival Doyle for goals and another player who can be trusted to get close to double figures.

A set piece specialist wouldn't hurt either, given our notable issues there. That would certainly help our goal "balance", if we could start to get the centre backs chipping in with a few.

If we play mainly 4231 then you need goals in the 3 and as you say from set pieces. Unless you have a 30 goal a season striker you need goals behind them. So for me that’s where further recruitment needs to focus. Singing a couple who can hit 8/9/10 is probably easier than finding a striker who can score 25.

[jmjhb]

Matty Lund leaving Rochdale, played in the number 10 role last season. I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Wanderers shirt

[GhostoftheBok]

If we play mainly 4231 then you need goals in the 3 and as you say from set pieces. Unless you have a 30 goal a season striker you need goals behind them. So for me that’s where further recruitment needs to focus. Singing a couple who can hit 8/9/10 is probably easier than finding a striker who can score 25.

I don't disagree, but as I said earlier we definitely need a reliable threat off the bench and that should mean a rival for Doyle. It may not be someone who can score 25, but then I'm not even sure Doyle will be that in this system in League One. If we can get a forward in who might be capable of 15-20, even if it's a veteran who can't play a full season, it would improve our bench options no end and push Doyle for his place.

It's one of the reasons I'd fully support trying a youngish, non-league regular scorer. We don't necessarily need a Mullin or Pigott. We do need someone who can push Doyle and grab a late goal.

One other issue is we need to make sure we create enough chances. Signing a "goal scorer" isn't really a thing unless you are making chances for them. Very few players make their own chances at any level. I'm hoping Sheehan will improve our attacking play, but we could use a creative forward player - either a natural 10 (less likely) or a winger.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Matty Lund leaving Rochdale, played in the number 10 role last season. I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Wanderers shirt.

Interesting shout. He scored 11 in 28 L1 games this season, a notable jump - in 112 third-tier games previously he'd scored 17 (and assisted 7). Was a definite move to shift him closer to goal?

From what I can tell, of his 11 this season 4 were headers (6 right foot, 1 left) and only one was a pengy. Be useful to have someone else who can score with his bonce.

He's 31 in November but he knows the division - played regularly in it last season, unlike 5 of our 7 signings thus far...

[brommers95]

Lund a name that I considered including in the CM blog post but he didn't quite make the cut due to age and injury history. His league minutes the last four seasons:
20/21: 2504
19/20 (shortened season): 2340
18/19: 1424
17/18: 1563

He did have a stellar past season as mentioned and turning down Rochdale's contract offer seems to imply he's moving to a L1 club (unless he's off to Salford), so you never know...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Lund a name that I considered including in the CM blog post but he didn't quite make the cut due to age and injury history.

Your oppo at Argyle Life included him, although without your level of insight

http://argyle.life/opinion/top-10-free- ... ders-2021/

[irie Cee Bee]

One other issue is we need to make sure we create enough chances. Signing a "goal scorer" isn't really a thing unless you are making chances for them. Very few players make their own chances at any level. I'm hoping Sheehan will improve our attacking play, but we could use a creative forward player - either a natural 10 (less likely) or a winger.
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This is exactly where I am. Pointless signing another expensive #9 feeding off scraps when we have Doyle who is a sure starter when fit. We need urgently another goal scoring midfielder/Winger since we are really lacking there at the moment, along with another perhaps a young #9 with who is not quite a 1 in 3 game ratio scorer, but can get there playing with better players than those he has been playing with.

[BWFC_Insane]

Wigan supposedly signing Scott Fraser from MK dons. Midfielder. 14 goals last season. For me that’s the sort of player we need.

[LeverEnd]

If bakayoko is out main up front signing I'd be slightly underwhelmed, but as an option he should make a difference as an outlet like bwfci says. I'm sure there'll be someone else.

[GhostoftheBok]

Wigan supposedly signing Scott Fraser from MK dons. Midfielder. 14 goals last season. For me that’s the sort of player we need.

We can't pay fees yet, can we?

[BWFC_Insane]

Wigan supposedly signing Scott Fraser from MK dons. Midfielder. 14 goals last season. For me that’s the sort of player we need.

We can't pay fees yet, can we?

No. And that’s clearly an issue. Wigan’s owners must have cleared their admin creditor agreements quickly to be out of embargo yet we two years on are still in. Not that I think we’d have money to spend but I guess being restricted to frees is tough. There are probably other players you open up if you can pay nominal fees which we cannot and better loans too.

[GhostoftheBok]

What's the Fraser report based on?