Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by jmjhb » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:53 pm

I'm not sure I'd put a 32-goal striker out wide, but that's just me

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I'm not sure I'd put a 32-goal striker out wide, but that's just me
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It's Always Sunny in Wrexham
Aren’t Wrexham now owned by a pair of Hollywood actors?
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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by Prufrock » Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:55 pm

Ryan Reynolds, Hollywood actor, and Rob McElhenney, creator of and actor in Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia (my all time #1 favourite sitcom).

I suspect they're chucking money at it. Potentially great gig for Parky.
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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:14 pm

Among the still-free agents who’ve played in L1:

• Donald Love (26, RB) - Rochdale-born of Scots stock, former MU academy
• Rob Hall (27, RW) - yes, that one
• Hakeeb Adelakun (25, LW/RW) - 6ft3in winger who got 12 assists in 39 for third-tier Scunny in 2017/18, was bought by Bristol City, has since been loaned to Rotherham and Hull
• Dan Crowley (23, W) - dribble type, can play either side, loaned to Hull Jan-Jun and released by Brum in summer
• Jonny Williams (27, AM) - was at Charlton last season before short-term move to Cardiff. “Joniesta” has the touch of an Evatt player, but does he have the pressing?
• Barrie McKay (26, LW) - Scots winger loaned to Fleetwood by Swansea last season

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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by Mar » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:48 am

I'd be interested to see if Hakeeb Abdelakun could offer something. Tall and reasonably good stats, depends whether he's got the fight that Evatt requires.

Just had a look on Transfermarkt, there is a page listing the number of foreigners for each club. Surprisingly its listing us as having the most foreigners in League One:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league- ... bewerb/GB3


Of those that could be considered as having a foreign nationality.

Gilks - Scotland / England
Johnston - Scotland / England
Santos - Portugal
John - Wales
Gordon - Guyana / England
Jones - Wales / Australia
MJ Williams - Wales
Comley - Montserrat / England
Crawford - Scotland
Sheehan - Wales
Sarcevic - England / Serbia
Politic - Romania
Isgrove - Wales / England
Amaechi - England / Nigeria
Doyle - Ireland
Bakayoko - Sierra Leone / England
Amoateng - England / Ghana
Afolayan - England / Nigeria

Whittling that down to only non-English:

Santos - Portugal
John - Wales
MJ Williams - Wales
Politic - Romania
Doyle - Ireland


If we whittle that down even further to non-UK, it leave us with the following:

Santos - Portugal
Doyle - Ireland
Politic - Romania


Now, at this point I suspect you're thinking where is this going...


Well for me, this is much a curiosity as much as anything. I loved the multicultural squad under Allardyce and there was a plethora of lifestyles and cultures that had to mix, each with their own story, and to see our side being listed as with a lot of foreigners really surprised me as this is quite possibly the least foreign side that i've come across for Bolton.

Santos - in the UK since at least 2012 as he came through Dag & Redbridge academy
Doyle - Ireland is very similar to the UK culturally and was at Hibs in 2011
Politic - in the UK since at least 2012 (man utd youth academy)


Every one of our players has been in the country long enough to know the country and lifestyle which to me means that a bunch of foreigners we are not.

(not sure that had much of a point, but it was something I found intriguing nontheless)

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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:57 am

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Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:48 am
I'd be interested to see if Hakeeb Abdelakun could offer something. Tall and reasonably good stats, depends whether he's got the fight that Evatt requires.

Just had a look on Transfermarkt, there is a page listing the number of foreigners for each club. Surprisingly its listing us as having the most foreigners in League One:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league- ... bewerb/GB3


Of those that could be considered as having a foreign nationality.

Gilks - Scotland / England
Johnston - Scotland / England
Santos - Portugal
John - Wales
Gordon - Guyana / England
Jones - Wales / Australia
MJ Williams - Wales
Comley - Montserrat / England
Crawford - Scotland
Sheehan - Wales
Sarcevic - England / Serbia
Politic - Romania
Isgrove - Wales / England
Amaechi - England / Nigeria
Doyle - Ireland
Bakayoko - Sierra Leone / England
Amoateng - England / Ghana
Afolayan - England / Nigeria

Whittling that down to only non-English:

Santos - Portugal
John - Wales
MJ Williams - Wales
Politic - Romania
Doyle - Ireland


If we whittle that down even further to non-UK, it leave us with the following:

Santos - Portugal
Doyle - Ireland
Politic - Romania


Now, at this point I suspect you're thinking where is this going...


Well for me, this is much a curiosity as much as anything. I loved the multicultural squad under Allardyce and there was a plethora of lifestyles and cultures that had to mix, each with their own story, and to see our side being listed as with a lot of foreigners really surprised me as this is quite possibly the least foreign side that i've come across for Bolton.

Santos - in the UK since at least 2012 as he came through Dag & Redbridge academy
Doyle - Ireland is very similar to the UK culturally and was at Hibs in 2011
Politic - in the UK since at least 2012 (man utd youth academy)


Every one of our players has been in the country long enough to know the country and lifestyle which to me means that a bunch of foreigners we are not.

(not sure that had much of a point, but it was something I found intriguing nontheless)
As a result of Brexit we won’t be recruiting a side full of players from elsewhere for a fair old while.

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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:05 am

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... l-defence/

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... h-sheehan/

Some good stuff from IE. Talking about our ability to now sometimes ‘play a bit longer’.

But generally a lot of good common sense from him in these. And Darcy gets a mention again too. Shaping up. Just add a few more goals. Maybe another physical type too.

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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by Prufrock » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:19 am

Santos moved here when he was a kid. He's a Londoner.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:33 am

Actual transfer sniff, although curiously in past tense, from Iles, at end of a piece on Amaechi (seeing a specialist in London tomorrow): "Wanderers had a strong interest in Manchester United’s Anthony Elanga, who had been made available for loan at Old Trafford."

Elanga scored for them at QPR yesterday and OGS said this:
It would be easy to say the boy should go on loan but he's doing so well. He's electric, his pace, his skill, he's not afraid of anything, he's got the courage and bravery of a Man United player. Today he created chances for others and for himself, he scored a goal with his most difficult opportunity, I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to be staying here. It depends, of course, we know it's important for him to develop and get game-time but he's one of them we've not really decided. Because if he keeps on like he is I might want to keep him.
This could be the boss buttering up a kid – they have, after all, just bought Jadon Sancho - but it could also be that they would want a Champo loan. Still, good that we were asking.

Couple of weeks ago, OGS had said about various youngsters: "They'll get a taste of some football [in early friendlies]. Then, roundabouts early August, some will go on loan. We’ve already lined up a few and some of them are still in discussions between us and the players about where is the best place to go.”

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:09 pm

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Actual transfer sniff, although curiously in past tense, from Iles, at end of a piece on Amaechi (seeing a specialist in London tomorrow): "Wanderers had a strong interest in Manchester United’s Anthony Elanga, who had been made available for loan at Old Trafford."

Elanga scored for them at QPR yesterday and OGS said this:
It would be easy to say the boy should go on loan but he's doing so well. He's electric, his pace, his skill, he's not afraid of anything, he's got the courage and bravery of a Man United player. Today he created chances for others and for himself, he scored a goal with his most difficult opportunity, I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to be staying here. It depends, of course, we know it's important for him to develop and get game-time but he's one of them we've not really decided. Because if he keeps on like he is I might want to keep him.
This could be the boss buttering up a kid – they have, after all, just bought Jadon Sancho - but it could also be that they would want a Champo loan. Still, good that we were asking.

Couple of weeks ago, OGS had said about various youngsters: "They'll get a taste of some football [in early friendlies]. Then, roundabouts early August, some will go on loan. We’ve already lined up a few and some of them are still in discussions between us and the players about where is the best place to go.”
Iles reported back in May Elanga was our striker target who slipped through as he scored a goal for Man Utd. Evatt was quoted without naming the player that we’d missed a premiership loan. Sounds to me like we might be hanging on and hoping still.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:13 pm

Ah, cheers. Not keen on Ilesy’s past tense but then from Evatt’s other quotes it feels like we’re waiting to see how bad Amaechi’s injury is.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:58 pm

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Ah, cheers. Not keen on Ilesy’s past tense but then from Evatt’s other quotes it feels like we’re waiting to see how bad Amaechi’s injury is.
I think we’d take Elanga regardless IF he was available.

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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:20 pm

I've agreed with Evatt a lot of this summer - but not this.
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ns-opener/

Set pieces don't need elaborate routines. You need to put the ball repeatedly onto the penalty spot area or just in front of the keeper with in swinging corners and then have a variety of runs to attack the ball. You can and should have those runs drilled and drilled and drilled. Teams will know what they are but that's not the point - its whether they can defend them or not it just takes one player being a second too slow with a good delivery and run and you are one up.

Set pieces are all about maximising your chance to score - put the ball into the most likely area that you will score from - and do it repeatedly to maximise the likelihood of returns. Fancy routines may work once but the chance of scoring from them is always diminished as soon as the opposition are aware of them and secondly the more times you have to touch the ball the less likely you are to score from these situations.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:39 pm

Not sure where IE mentions being "elaborate".

“It is no good us working flat out on our set plays and then MK Dons know every single routine and everything we’ve got throughout the pre-season. We are keeping a few cards up our sleeve and they’ll start to come out the next couple of weeks.”

I get your point that these things can be overcomplicated, and that a "standard" delivery can be regularly effective. But if it were that simple, everyone would do it (and would know how to defend against it).

We were undeniably shite at profiting from set-pieces last season, and we need to get better. Better delivery (Sheehan?), better aerial dominance (Santos?). We were spoiled by the effectiveness in Parky's first season – not only one of the best takers in Morais, but two of the best dominators in Wheevers.

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Post by Prufrock » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:33 pm

I agree. I think he's talking about not spending all pre-season doing what you're going to do in the league so that they can see it and plan for it. I don't think that neccessarily means "elaborate" though I do think we'll see another mix of short and crossed corners.

I don't quite agree with BWFCi, though that's nearer where I am than how we spent the first half of last season (which truly was "elaborate" - read, shite). I think there's a comparison with bowling in cricket. You want your "stock" ball, the one you're expecting to use say 4/5 times, which you are best at and which in its own right gives you the best chance of scoring. For us I reckon that's trying to get Santos a clear run at a ball between the 6 yard box and penalty spot.

But you also want "variations", whether that's just to mix things up and take them by surprise, or to counter a particular strength. Let's say we're playing a team with 3 giant centre-backs. The odds of Santos scoring then drop and you might want to use him to drag big bastards away to the near post and have someone who is surprisngly good in the air (i.e. they're likely to be marked by a backtracking central midfielder say) to attack the space vacated at the back (Delf, Sarc, Dapo, MJ if they don't clock him). Or you use Santos to drag them to the far post and then go short and try to attack the space in front.
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Re: Summer 2021 Transfer Thread.

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:37 pm

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Not sure where IE mentions being "elaborate".

“It is no good us working flat out on our set plays and then MK Dons know every single routine and everything we’ve got throughout the pre-season. We are keeping a few cards up our sleeve and they’ll start to come out the next couple of weeks.”

I get your point that these things can be overcomplicated, and that a "standard" delivery can be regularly effective. But if it were that simple, everyone would do it (and would know how to defend against it).

We were undeniably shite at profiting from set-pieces last season, and we need to get better. Better delivery (Sheehan?), better aerial dominance (Santos?). We were spoiled by the effectiveness in Parky's first season – not only one of the best takers in Morais, but two of the best dominators in Wheevers.
It’s not simple. It’s just percentages. Work on delivering the ball into the middle of the penalty area and attacking it. The other team know what you are doing but every so often you will find they don’t deal with it. You don’t need a fancy delivery even. Just a chip into that area is good. It’s how we scored so many under Allardyce. I think we had a corner routine once for a far post one that got headed back across against Liverpool. We scored. I don’t think we ever attempted that corner again.

There are two things to be good at. Putting the ball where it’s needed and attacking it with intensity. We were awful at both last season. A player like Santos for me should be getting 6 goals from set plays at least but I don’t think he’s got the mindset needed in the opponents box.

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Post by Whitesince63 » Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:14 pm

I agree Rico should be scoring a few at least but he doesn’t seem to have the ability to get above the ball and head down as against his defensive headers which are all headed up and away. He can work on that but first and foremost he’s a defender and we have others who would be more likely to score in Bako, Williams and Johnson as well as the likes of Doyler, Sarce and Dapo who can deliver off flick ons. It’s surely not rocket science but I’m in the camp where you just get the ball at pace into the 6 yard box and pressure the defenders into mistakes, from which your chances will come.

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Post by nicholaldo » Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:02 pm

It was interesting to hear Evatt say recently that he thinks we have the ninth or tenth highest budget in the league this season.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:07 pm

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It was interesting to hear Evatt say recently that he thinks we have the ninth or tenth highest budget in the league this season.
Did he? Interesting…

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