Will made to measure suit us? V Burton at the Unibol 8-0'clock Monday.

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Re: Will made to measure suit us? V Burton at the Unibol 8-0'clock Monday.

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:55 pm

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Last season we found a way without ever really scoring a lot. Indeed we scored one of the lowest totals for a promoted team. I suspect that we will score more this season but I doubt we will hit 80 or anything stupidly high. Blackpool finished third and went up via the play offs with 60 goals. I’d say we should be able to hit 60.
Hopefully. Blackpool conceded very few, too, and (again barring the first two games) we’re doing OK there. Which helps…

We were unlucky to lose at Cambridge and unlucky not to beat Burton. We’re having a lot of shots but not a lot of accurate ones, and having the highest xG should mean we have the highest goal total, otherwise we’re underachieving.

Away from the stats, the evidence of the eyes is pleasing and promising. As you say, time to enjoy it really.

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Post by Worthy4England » Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:40 pm

Last year's League 2 second top scorers finished in 18th. No point scoring 4 every week and letting in 5.

We scored 2 less than the Champions. 14 less than the team above us (which created a 1 point difference) and 10 less than the team below us, who were - well - below us and got up via the tough route.

As DSB said, this year, 6 goals got us 2 points, 3 goals got us 6.

You can get 138 points with 46 goals (and of course I know that ain't happening).

If memory serves we scored more than anyone from Jan to end of season...

Whilst much has been said of our stylish attacking play, you still don't go too far wrong keeping the oppo to nil. (Although for balance you could concede 46 and go down with zero points :-) )

Balance works for me.

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Post by Prufrock » Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:35 am

I think better players obviously help but the system change is the biggest factor. I wrote a long post when we changed system about how there was a tension between pressing high and playing a 352 because it's really hard to smother the full backs who were the out ball. The main difference between the Evatt 451 and the Parky one is that we press high. Controlling possession nicely compliments it. The more of the ball you have the less pressing you have to do, and by pressing you keep them pinned in so their forward(s) are isolated and you keep more of the ball. Dapo and Isgrove work really hard off the ball but they do it much higher than Parky's teams did. You don't (relatively, as) often see them back on the toes of the full backs.
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Re: Will made to measure suit us? V Burton at the Unibol 8-0'clock Monday.

Post by Prufrock » Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:40 am

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Last year's League 2 second top scorers finished in 18th. No point scoring 4 every week and letting in 5.

We scored 2 less than the Champions. 14 less than the team above us (which created a 1 point difference) and 10 less than the team below us, who were - well - below us and got up via the tough route.

As DSB said, this year, 6 goals got us 2 points, 3 goals got us 6.

You can get 138 points with 46 goals (and of course I know that ain't happening).

If memory serves we scored more than anyone from Jan to end of season...

Whilst much has been said of our stylish attacking play, you still don't go too far wrong keeping the oppo to nil. (Although for balance you could concede 46 and go down with zero points :-) )

Balance works for me.
And the other side of your equation last season, from Jan we conceded *miles* fewer than anyone else.

I take DSB's point that in the last two games we haven't scored, but we've also only conceded one real chance (which unfortunately went in!) and created plenty. Sometimes it doesn't drop for you. Keep playing like that all season and we will be right up there.

I've had "thoughts" in depth on xG here before :D it is *not* a stat. It's an opinion. I also can't bear the nonsense cloak of authority they try to give these things (ah yes, to two decimal places). But it isn't worthless, and adds some probability based analysis and I reckon over a period of time is going to be better than the naked eye. Had us at 2.5 against Burton (to their 1) and the way it works i *think* would have excluded Lee's perfectly good goal and wouldn't have accounted for the penalty either. Burton was fine.

And another clean sheet.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:57 am

TANGODANCER wrote:
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I miss the Phil Brown curling chip up the right flank. Need to get that into Gethin's 'content'. 😁
Other than for Peter Nicholson, perhaps, I can't think of another RB of ours who I'd ever be asking players to replicate less.
Nicky Hunt,, :D
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Steve Mcanespie?
Not a joke - when he came on to make his debut (against Reading, I think) I honestly thought he was the mascot. :oops:
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Steve Mcanespie?
Not a joke - when he came on to make his debut (against Reading, I think) I honestly thought he was the mascot. :oops:
two things I best remember about McAnespie.

The first is how happy he looked in the pre-season friendly at Queen of the South when we unveiled his song predictably based on the Macarena, a contemporary chart earworm that I’m saddened to note refuses to die a quarter of a century on.

The second is when I saw him swish down the Manny Road in a soft-top Beemer with a personalised reg plate, and suddenly it seemed a different world to the one we’d recently left…

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Re: Will made to measure suit us? V Burton at the Unibol 8-0'clock Monday.

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:25 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
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Steve Mcanespie?
Not a joke - when he came on to make his debut (against Reading, I think) I honestly thought he was the mascot. :oops:
Think it was QPR but it was honestly shocking at the time that we'd broken (by more than doubling) our transfer record on a midget from Raith bloody Rovers.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:35 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:25 pm
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:00 am
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:48 pm
Steve Mcanespie?
Not a joke - when he came on to make his debut (against Reading, I think) I honestly thought he was the mascot. :oops:
Think it was QPR but it was honestly shocking at the time that we'd broken (by more than doubling) our transfer record on a midget from Raith bloody Rovers.
Raith were certainly beneficiaries of Premier League trickledown, and the fee was evidence that fools and their money are soon parted, but we’d already signed Gerald Taggart for £1.5m. I also remember the fee for Courtney Huw Fairclough being £1.5m, although Wikipedia quibbles.

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Post by LeverEnd » Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:35 pm

jmjhb wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:49 pm
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:29 pm
LeverEnd wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:05 pm
I miss the Phil Brown curling chip up the right flank. Need to get that into Gethin's 'content'. 😁
Other than for Peter Nicholson, perhaps, I can't think of another RB of ours who I'd ever be asking players to replicate less.
Danny Butterfield.
Good grief.
I had the pleasure of seeing his and Moxey's debuts at Leicester and Watford respectively.
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Re: Will made to measure suit us? V Burton at the Unibol 8-0'clock Monday.

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:46 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:35 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:25 pm
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:00 am
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:48 pm
Steve Mcanespie?
Not a joke - when he came on to make his debut (against Reading, I think) I honestly thought he was the mascot. :oops:
Think it was QPR but it was honestly shocking at the time that we'd broken (by more than doubling) our transfer record on a midget from Raith bloody Rovers.
Raith were certainly beneficiaries of Premier League trickledown, and the fee was evidence that fools and their money are soon parted, but we’d already signed Gerald Taggart for £1.5m. I also remember the fee for Courtney Huw Fairclough being £1.5m, although Wikipedia quibbles.
Yeah fair point. Wasn't a record. Still our second biggest signing at the time...in our history. Roy McFarland special....

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:30 pm

LeverEnd wrote:
Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:35 pm
jmjhb wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:49 pm
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:29 pm
LeverEnd wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:05 pm
I miss the Phil Brown curling chip up the right flank. Need to get that into Gethin's 'content'. 😁
Other than for Peter Nicholson, perhaps, I can't think of another RB of ours who I'd ever be asking players to replicate less.
Danny Butterfield.
Good grief.
I had the pleasure of seeing his and Moxey's debuts at Leicester and Watford respectively.
Like comparing a boiled shit sandwich with a fried shit sandwich!
Moxey's still (and hopefully forever will) stick out to me as being the worst debut ever. I rate it as being worse than that of Cid because Freedman knew all about him from Palace before signing him. I still to this day feel like he owes me money.
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Fine margins. Had we scored Monday, we’d be third. We’re doing most things right. Saturday is a difficult game, though. If we’re still joint second highest scorers after that I’ll be a happy lad. If we’re still joint second highest scorers by October I’ll be doing a Snoopy happy dance.
I'm a very happy lad.

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Fine margins. Had we scored Monday, we’d be third. We’re doing most things right. Saturday is a difficult game, though. If we’re still joint second highest scorers after that I’ll be a happy lad. If we’re still joint second highest scorers by October I’ll be doing a Snoopy happy dance.
I'm a very happy lad.
Honestly don’t think there is much wrong with our attack. It’s the best we’ve had in a long long time. Not perfect. But if I’m happy you know it can’t be bad.

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Post by LeverEnd » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:13 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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Fine margins. Had we scored Monday, we’d be third. We’re doing most things right. Saturday is a difficult game, though. If we’re still joint second highest scorers after that I’ll be a happy lad. If we’re still joint second highest scorers by October I’ll be doing a Snoopy happy dance.
I'm a very happy lad.
Me too. I look forward to you videoing and posting this too.
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LeverEnd wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:13 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:02 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:00 pm
Fine margins. Had we scored Monday, we’d be third. We’re doing most things right. Saturday is a difficult game, though. If we’re still joint second highest scorers after that I’ll be a happy lad. If we’re still joint second highest scorers by October I’ll be doing a Snoopy happy dance.
I'm a very happy lad.
Me too. I look forward to you videoing and posting this too.
As Jarvis said at the end of the first verse of Common People: "I'll see what I can do." :mrgreen:

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Post by LeverEnd » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:18 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:15 pm
LeverEnd wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:13 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:02 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:00 pm
Fine margins. Had we scored Monday, we’d be third. We’re doing most things right. Saturday is a difficult game, though. If we’re still joint second highest scorers after that I’ll be a happy lad. If we’re still joint second highest scorers by October I’ll be doing a Snoopy happy dance.
I'm a very happy lad.
Me too. I look forward to you videoing and posting this too.
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That was about sleeping with him. Back off!
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:29 pm

LeverEnd wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:18 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:15 pm
LeverEnd wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:13 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:02 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:00 pm
Fine margins. Had we scored Monday, we’d be third. We’re doing most things right. Saturday is a difficult game, though. If we’re still joint second highest scorers after that I’ll be a happy lad. If we’re still joint second highest scorers by October I’ll be doing a Snoopy happy dance.
I'm a very happy lad.
Me too. I look forward to you videoing and posting this too.
As Jarvis said at the end of the first verse of Common People: "I'll see what I can do." :mrgreen:
That was about sleeping with him. Back off!
You haven't seen me dancing yet.

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Post by LeverEnd » Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:44 pm

Fair comment. I'll reserve judgement.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Oct 30, 2021 6:18 pm

LeverEnd wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:13 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:02 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:00 pm
Fine margins. Had we scored Monday, we’d be third. We’re doing most things right. Saturday is a difficult game, though. If we’re still joint second highest scorers after that I’ll be a happy lad. If we’re still joint second highest scorers by October I’ll be doing a Snoopy happy dance.
I'm a very happy lad.
Me too. I look forward to you videoing and posting this too.
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We were joint-second highest scorers, now we're 11th. Nine blanks in the last 13 in league and league cup. Sob.
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