Bolton v the 3.14159265359....eaters 16-10-21

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Re: Bolton v the 3.14159265359....eaters 16-10-21

Post by officer_dibble » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:26 pm

I think our idiots did the same at theirs Dave. There’s a vid of someone’s car being painted with “BWFC” on Twitter as well. I mean they are fecking idiots for leaving the Wigan stickers on but feck me what goes through peoples minds?

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Re: Bolton v the 3.14159265359....eaters 16-10-21

Post by enrdentw » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:32 pm

officer_dibble wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:51 pm
enrdentw wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:46 pm
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He shouldn’t get a free pass IMO - best team in the league just got mauled at home…yet another game we haven’t scored in and we always concede. Needs to learn.
Come on, that’s the one truly awful performance we’ve had for over a year under Evatt and it was against the best team we’ve come up against in that time.
Might be the worst by some distance but you can’t go chucking about phrases like best team in the league and then not get criticised for another defeat to nil.

For me if we finish mid table I’m happy - it’s a work in progress. But don’t go putting the players up there as best in the league if you don’t want the flak that comes with being far from that on the table.
Can't argue with that last comment but as I mentioned earlier, he has said similar stupid things in the past.

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Re: Bolton v the 3.14159265359....eaters 16-10-21

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:33 pm

We’ve scored as many goals as half the top six. We’ve conceded as many or more than all the bottom three.

For all the talk and discussion and analysis. The problem is very very clear. We are too easy to score against. This point has been clear since very early on in the season. In January the focus has to be on making us concede fewer goals. It’s as simple as that.

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Post by enrdentw » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:33 pm

irie Cee Bee wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:49 pm
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Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:44 pm
It’s not like we didn’t create anything today, we had decent chances, hit the crossbar, should have had a penalty. Let’s face it, we were missing Jones and John who are key to how we play and when we are playing the best we need our best. I hope today and the aftermath doesn’t ruin our confidence.
Decent chances?? I must have missed them.
Bakayoko back post from the corner, should have scored, IMO.

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Post by Harry Genshaw » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:35 pm

That, and to a lesser extent the Rotherham game, is the only time this season we've never looked like winning. Every other game pretty much could have gone either way. I was being told that Wigan have spent a fortune so perhaps no surprise we're way off them.

Terrible day today but we're not miles away.
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Post by enrdentw » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:35 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:56 pm
enrdentw wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:46 pm
officer_dibble wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:42 pm
He shouldn’t get a free pass IMO - best team in the league just got mauled at home…yet another game we haven’t scored in and we always concede. Needs to learn.
Come on, that’s the one truly awful performance we’ve had for over a year under Evatt and it was against the best team we’ve come up against in that time.
We were poor against Shrewsbury last time out and stole a win really. We’ve definitely struggled of late and performances are dipping week in week out. I think we’ve lost our way personally. Too much focus on playing pretty football not enough about how to win games and we should use Wigan as a blueprint for what a good league one side looks like. Learn from it. Evatt said we didn’t need McClean earlier this season. That’s another blunder given he’s better than what we have by a mile.

Selection today was all over the place. Not helped by Lee being out in fairness as Sheehan for me is nowhere near league one level and that’s been apparent after what was an exciting start from him but he was nowhere near their midfield today.

All we can ask is for the manager to be honest and to start setting us up more appropriately against better sides.
Fair point. We really do need to be adaptable. Physically we need more as well. It was men against boys in every sense of the term today.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:36 pm

Possession isn’t the enemy. If you don’t have the ball, you have to work a lot harder.

What we’re discovering painfully is that possession without penetration is meaningless. But it doesn’t mean we should abandon possession any more than it means we should wear our shirts backwards or our boots on our hands.

We will continue to prefer possession and I think that’s very wise. What we need to do is have other ways to score. Your comparison to Wenger’s Arsenal is right insofar as they were accused of only scoring from 20-pass moves. But his best sides also scored from set pieces. Remember those?

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:44 pm

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We’ve scored as many goals as half the top six. We’ve conceded as many or more than all the bottom three.

For all the talk and discussion and analysis. The problem is very very clear. We are too easy to score against. This point has been clear since very early on in the season. In January the focus has to be on making us concede fewer goals. It’s as simple as that.
Seven blanks in 10 games and you’re still insisting there’s no problem up top?

We clearly need to tighten up. Nobody has ever doubted that. But we also very very clearly have problems scoring. Well, it’s very clear to me. I can’t quite believe you’re still seeing no problem there. Yes, we’ve scored 20 in 13 league games. But we scored nine of those in just two games; and another six in two more that we only drew. I celebrated each and every one of those goals but all too often I haven’t had a goal to celebrate.

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Post by Tails07 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:52 pm

Evatt confirming in the post match interview that Gethin has a fractured fibula so is out for a while, which is really bad news considering the right side performance today.

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Post by officer_dibble » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:11 pm

It’s fecking shite news! I’d rather baptiste played at right back than brockbank and that’s saying something!

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Re: Bolton v the 3.14159265359....eaters 16-10-21

Post by DJBlu » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:14 pm

Yes it's grim.

Wigan more up for it.

Evatt exposed the right side knowing the limitations. The running of Isgrove with Brockbank behind would maybe have offered more protection.

Bako isn't Lloyd nor Kachubga even. I would have put Doyle out wide before him today.

Attitude and understanding rivalry.

We played against a shithouse team that at times targeted Dapo. We let them. That's an issue. If you're soft in this league then we run the risk of being a League One Arsenal of old. Pretty football but bullied by physicality.

As a side note. Pinning this on Harry is unacceptable. He's been asked to do a job today against a side jacked up on Evatt juice.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:16 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:44 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:33 pm
We’ve scored as many goals as half the top six. We’ve conceded as many or more than all the bottom three.

For all the talk and discussion and analysis. The problem is very very clear. We are too easy to score against. This point has been clear since very early on in the season. In January the focus has to be on making us concede fewer goals. It’s as simple as that.
Seven blanks in 10 games and you’re still insisting there’s no problem up top?

We clearly need to tighten up. Nobody has ever doubted that. But we also very very clearly have problems scoring. Well, it’s very clear to me. I can’t quite believe you’re still seeing no problem there. Yes, we’ve scored 20 in 13 league games. But we scored nine of those in just two games; and another six in two more that we only drew. I celebrated each and every one of those goals but all too often I haven’t had a goal to celebrate.
You won’t get anywhere conceding how we do. Fix that. Then look at the attacking areas. The back four and midfield are your base and all season ours haven’t been quite right.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:31 pm

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Yes it's grim.

Wigan more up for it.

Evatt exposed the right side knowing the limitations. The running of Isgrove with Brockbank behind would maybe have offered more protection.

Bako isn't Lloyd nor Kachubga even. I would have put Doyle out wide before him today.

Attitude and understanding rivalry.

We played against a shithouse team that at times targeted Dapo. We let them. That's an issue. If you're soft in this league then we run the risk of being a League One Arsenal of old. Pretty football but bullied by physicality.

As a side note. Pinning this on Harry is unacceptable. He's been asked to do a job today against a side jacked up on Evatt juice.
It’s not Brockbanks fault like. He’s just not at this level. Wigan did a lot more than just nullify Dapo. They completely dominated and bossed midfield. The thing is they didn’t have to do much. A basic press and hard work. They won’t have an easier win this season. Men against boys. Truly was.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:34 pm

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Seven blanks in 10 games and you’re still insisting there’s no problem up top
You won’t get anywhere conceding how we do.
Won’t get reight far without scoring, either. As I’ve said for five weeks, both departments need addressing.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:48 pm

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Seven blanks in 10 games and you’re still insisting there’s no problem up top
You won’t get anywhere conceding how we do.
Won’t get reight far without scoring, either. As I’ve said for five weeks, both departments need addressing.
You can put any striker up top in the world today and it’s not changing the result. Our basic problems need fixing first otherwise you are putting a tiara on a show pony.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:48 pm

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Pinning this on Harry is unacceptable. He's been asked to do a job today against a side jacked up on Evatt juice.
Not sure anyone is pinning it on Harry per se. And if Gethin’s out a while Wvatt will have to rebuild Brocky’s confidence - we go again on Tuesday against another good team. I can understand why some might pick Baptiste but I doubt Evatt will.

Unless he picks him in a back three, with Izzy as wingback, and a friend up top helping Doyler… not sure I’d switch back but Evatt might - he’d have the excuse of playing against a back-three side, with an injury situation in mitigation, and away from most fans..,

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:51 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:48 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:34 pm
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Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:16 pm
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Seven blanks in 10 games and you’re still insisting there’s no problem up top
You won’t get anywhere conceding how we do.
Won’t get reight far without scoring, either. As I’ve said for five weeks, both departments need addressing.
You can put any striker up top in the world today and it’s not changing the result. Our basic problems need fixing first otherwise you are putting a tiara on a show pony.
What about the other games in this run of seven blanks in 10? You think no other striker in the world would change any of those results? You sure?

I dunno, maybe you are sure. If you’re now echoing Mystic Megson, you’re obviously on a wind-up or a piss-up. Either way, I hope you have a good night - and I hope we all do on Tuesday, because our team solves its problems at both ends.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:57 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:51 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:48 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:34 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:16 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 6:44 pm
Seven blanks in 10 games and you’re still insisting there’s no problem up top
You won’t get anywhere conceding how we do.
Won’t get reight far without scoring, either. As I’ve said for five weeks, both departments need addressing.
You can put any striker up top in the world today and it’s not changing the result. Our basic problems need fixing first otherwise you are putting a tiara on a show pony.
What about the other games in this run of seven blanks in 10? You think no other striker in the world would change any of those results? You sure?

I dunno, maybe you are sure. If you’re now echoing Mystic Megson, you’re obviously on a wind-up or a piss-up.
I mean there are obviously games if we had a better striker who can score more or whatever up front we might have won. Absolutely. No issue with that. Sure same goes for every team. But not convinced it’s that easy to find one. And there are more fundamental problems that can be fixed. Our inability to defend is absolutely far more costly because the goals we concede are changing games.

Wigan’s first today was an unholy mess and as a priority for Tuesday that is the focus. Make ourselves hard to beat. Others Lowe will see a similar result to Richardson against us.

I’d say our biggest attacking issue has been converting possession into real chances. And bar Dapo which of our attacking players would you say are good enough? And that’s absolutely an issue. But we can’t continue conceding as we are.

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Post by Harry Genshaw » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:02 pm

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We played against a shithouse team that at times targeted Dapo. We let them. That's an issue. If you're soft in this league then we run the risk of being a League One Arsenal of old. Pretty football but bullied by physicality.
I was thinking this today that we really lack a bit of shithousery on the park. A Gilkes type gob in the middle and getting in the refs ear. Todays ref was abysmal and once again Dapo was kicked from pillar to post before he finally got his book out. Stopping quick free kicks, grabbing the ball at contentious throw in decisions, asking for the opposition player to get booked etc Lets add a bit of nastiness to our game. And set pieces.
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:11 pm

Shithousing for me just disguises that Wigan are just a well balanced team. You can’t get out of this league with midgets you need to have some physicality and it’s been a weakness all season. MJ is going to break down at some point as every week he’s doing the job of two. It has to be changed and in January we need a refocus. A physical option up front a couple in midfield and a right back. Those are essential to improve us. Probably can’t do them all in January but can’t ignore reality any longer.

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