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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by LeverEnd » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:17 am

Missed all that but great result, much needed.
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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:59 am

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EDIT ha, more or less singing harmony with BWFCi. Funny how it goes.
Interesting, innit. I think (on one showing) it helped with some of the frailties we've seen of late. Certainly, a lot less restless, here. Very little back to front bypass through the middle. When it went wide, felt like a lot less going into danger zone, which is why I'd previously said that I don't care where he stops it. I'm less worried about signing CDs if we're depressurising them. I think it buys more time in that Dept, to work out I'd Johnston's a good/bad longer term bet.

It was a bit like watching us in reverse. They had a lot of possession, but that didn't generally translate into clear advantages.

Will be interesting to see how it copes with a more "in your face" team...

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by DJBlu » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:56 am

Just rewatched the game in 2x to assist with a discussion on twitter, someone said that Bako had a poor game which I can't understand.

Watching the game live I thought we were more direct however rewatching it looked more of a balance between passing it out wide and a direct route.

Genuinely struggling to see a bad performance from any one of them. I suppose a victory is more forgiving when you see players give possession away etc.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:59 am

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Just rewatched the game in 2x to assist with a discussion on twitter, someone said that Bako had a poor game which I can't understand.
I've had a few say the same to me. Seemed to revolve around two bad touches he took, one which ballooned about 20 yards off him from a Morley ball across field.

Lee seemed to take no flak for that touch he took when through one-on-one with the keeper, or in midfield when he just needed to flick Charles in.

Lee's performance as a whole was superb.

Baka was fine - not great, but fine. No worse than Williams or Johnston.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:03 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:59 am
It was a bit like watching us in reverse. They had a lot of possession, but that didn't generally translate into clear advantages.
As I say, nice to hear the oppo boss wail "we dominated but gave away soft goals".
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Watching the game live I thought we were more direct however rewatching it looked more of a balance between passing it out wide and a direct route.
Morley sums this up for me. When he. gets the ball he looks up to see if there's quick ping on - either to spread to the wingback or to set a forward scampering. If not, he'll happily pass it short and retain possession.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by DJBlu » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:04 pm

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Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:59 am
DJBlu wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:56 am
Just rewatched the game in 2x to assist with a discussion on twitter, someone said that Bako had a poor game which I can't understand.
I've had a few say the same to me. Seemed to revolve around two bad touches he took, one which ballooned about 20 yards off him from a Morley ball across field.

Lee seemed to take no flak for that touch he took when through one-on-one with the keeper, or in midfield when he just needed to flick Charles in.

Lee's performance as a whole was superb.

Baka was fine - not great, but fine. No worse than Williams or Johnston.
Might be sad, but this is his observed positive play through the camera lens.

00:35 Header won
06:55 Decent tackle
08:40 Press
08:53 Shot on target
14:10 Held up and started the attack
18:20 Held up and Pass back for cross, Charles headed wide.
31:24 Middle of the box unmarked. Good positioning.
41:06 Ball run out to retain posession from a corner.
42:08 Inches away from connecting to the cross from John.
44:50 Involved in press that led to a throw in.
45+ Great play for build up in play out to the left.
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2nd half
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45:32 Held up well.
46:15 Header through to Charles.
48:48 Great tackle
49:18 Held up the ball in attack.
60:00 Won header, poor pass from Charles.
62:49 Good Pressure
63:42 Pressure which led to Ipswich giving the ball away.
67:40 Decent Press
70:20 Excellent pressing
72:36 Header
73:27 Great one touch pass to Morley in build up to goal
74:45 Aerial challenge
76:51 Great pressure forcing Ipswich to go long.
81:30 Good tackle
Stopped here as I had to make a brew.

When the ball was pinged in our box he always seemed to be back in defence too. I would like to know the distances covered by everyone as I reckon he must be near the top.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:15 pm

Baka put a shift in. And he’s absolutely going to play more games up front. I just think he lacks the quality and that real target that Charles would thrive off.

I’m interested in whether Morley can up the pace and intensity of his game whilst retaining his passing in order to be a top end of this league player or even a championship one. No doubt he has a nice pass. My concern was whether he’s one of those that can’t adapt as the game demands more intensity, speed and physicality. Or whether his game against ipswich could work against Wigan or Wycombe or Rotherham etc…

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:20 pm

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Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:15 pm
I’m interested in whether Morley can up the pace and intensity of his game whilst retaining his passing in order to be a top end of this league player or even a championship one. No doubt he has a nice pass. My concern was whether he’s one of those that can’t adapt as the game demands more intensity, speed and physicality. Or whether his game against ipswich could work against Wigan or Wycombe or Rotherham etc…
I think we all are. Evatt and Markham wouldn't have brought him in if they didn't think he could play in the Championship.

Thee and me can't really know until we see it on the pitch. What I will say is that his set pieces were vastly better than we've had to endure thus far this season. Long may that continue.

I think he'd benefit from Dempsey, if we can get him. Dempsey is superb at protecting the ball under pressure, which is something the kid could learn from.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:26 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:20 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:15 pm
I’m interested in whether Morley can up the pace and intensity of his game whilst retaining his passing in order to be a top end of this league player or even a championship one. No doubt he has a nice pass. My concern was whether he’s one of those that can’t adapt as the game demands more intensity, speed and physicality. Or whether his game against ipswich could work against Wigan or Wycombe or Rotherham etc…
I think we all are. Evatt and Markham wouldn't have brought him in if they didn't think he could play in the Championship.

Thee and me can't really know until we see it on the pitch. What I will say is that his set pieces were vastly better than we've had to endure thus far this season. Long may that continue.

I think he'd benefit from Dempsey, if we can get him. Dempsey is superb at protecting the ball under pressure, which is something the kid could learn from.
The way we played yesterday was screaming out for a Muamba to win the ball back and let us spring from there.

For me that sort of a midfield type would transform us as we have the pace and quality once we break the attack up to really hurt teams.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:29 pm

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The way we played yesterday was screaming out for a Muamba to win the ball back and let us spring from there.
I'd be very glad to have a top-flight player like that – but out of interest, who's he replacing?

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:43 pm

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I'd be very glad to have a top-flight player like that – but out of interest, who's he replacing?
The only proper playmaker? :conf:

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:45 pm

There exists an answer I agree with. I'll write it down in an envelope.

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Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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There exists an answer I agree with. I'll write it down in an envelope.
The only player you could replace with Muamba and not distort the balance we had in the middle is Williams.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:29 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:26 pm
The way we played yesterday was screaming out for a Muamba to win the ball back and let us spring from there.
I'd be very glad to have a top-flight player like that – but out of interest, who's he replacing?
I mean we have three fit midfield players so obviously will sign more. And we might need a different balance in there to suit when teams are more dominant in midfield.

A player who can cover ground and win the ball especially with interceptions would allow us more transitions. You could make a case for such a player instead of all three midfield starters yesterday depending on circumstances.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:52 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:49 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:45 pm
There exists an answer I agree with. I'll write it down in an envelope.
The only player you could replace with Muamba and not distort the balance we had in the middle is Williams.
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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:56 pm

Oh the old "I've got three envelopes, behind the screen, trick"

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:03 pm

That was Evatt's football at it's most industrial yesterday. Still a lot of lovely football and a desire to pass it, but an inclination to be low risk (knocking it out of play and resetting, hitting out balls etc).

The growth in that system will be playing more, not less, of Evatt's passing patterns as the players familiarise themselves with the new system and the younger players stabilise.

A Muamba-type in for the more creative mids is....unlikely. Or more accurately, unhelpful. Movement and passing between the lines made us tick.

A bigger, stronger, faster version of Williams? Sign me up.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:06 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:56 pm
Oh the old "I've got three envelopes, behind the screen, trick"

:-)
Good old Brendan Rodgers.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:09 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:06 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:56 pm
Oh the old "I've got three envelopes, behind the screen, trick"

:-)
Good old Brendan Rodgers.
Na, that one was David Brent.

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Re: Looking for traction to avoid the blues - Ipswich (H), 3pm Sat 15th Jan

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:12 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:09 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:06 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:56 pm
Oh the old "I've got three envelopes, behind the screen, trick"

:-)
Good old Brendan Rodgers.
Na, that one was David Brent.
I get them mixed up.

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