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Re: Deal or no deal? - Summer 2022 Transfer gossip!

Post by Prufrock » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:50 am

I'd be happy with John going as long as he's replaced. I think we're just about fine now on numbers with:

Lwb: John, Iredale
CB: Johnstone, Santos, Jones, Aimson, Toal (Iredale)
Rwb: Bradley, Sadlier.

It's not perfect, I'd be worried if we had to play Sads at WB from the start against the better teams, but it's pretty good. An upgrade on John would be fine. Losing him and not replacing him would...not.

And he's not getting a pass from me for Ipswich on the basis of illness/niggles. He was quick enough to go forwards.
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:22 pm

John has a niggling back injury. I’m not talking selling him without bringing someone in. But if they got an offer I can see them taking it and looking for an alternative. I like John a lot. But I’d not be surprised if that was an area they looked at.

Other one is MJ but I think we need cover before we worry about moving him.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:40 pm

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John has a niggling back injury.
...that's caused him to miss one game in 10 months – and the two he missed before that were due to groin not back problems. Over the last year, practically every member of the squad has missed more games than him. If he's niggled, Bod's a liability. Let alone that other wingback we had last season, I forget his name. Where he now? :mrgreen:

Anyways. We will look to upgrade at some point, but I suspect not imminently, unless a significant upgrade is available. One who can not only play LWB but also LB – John has his limitations there, as discussed, but we need flexible players to give us options. And as I say, we don't yet have a critically urgent need to change much about the squad. Nice place to be.

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Re: Deal or no deal? - Summer 2022 Transfer gossip!

Post by The_Gun » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:41 pm

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John has a niggling back injury. I’m not talking selling him without bringing someone in. But if they got an offer I can see them taking it and looking for an alternative. I like John a lot. But I’d not be surprised if that was an area they looked at.

Other one is MJ but I think we need cover before we worry about moving him.
I’d be astonished if we moved MJ on. I’d be very surprised if we sold John, but if someone did come in with a big bid then we’d probably consider it, that just seems unlikely.

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Post by officer_dibble » Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:49 pm

Yeah can’t see us moving John on - he’s an important player for us. He played through injury and Illness (Covid) last season I’m sure - there were quotes about how he struggled October/November.

However he might be one of a few players others are looking to bid on - someone might yet take a chance on Dapo who needs a forward and have big pockets (Everton? Or a championship version?) in that case we would need a replacement as well.

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Post by irie Cee Bee » Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:50 pm

My understanding is that we have 2 more spaces in the squad to fill without moving anyone on, unless it is that we are getting a good transfer fee doing so. We have a good squad which needs a couple players in from leagues above for automatic promotion.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:57 pm

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Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:50 pm
My understanding is that we have 2 more spaces in the squad to fill without moving anyone on, unless it is that we are getting a good transfer fee doing so. We have a good squad which needs a couple players in from leagues above for automatic promotion.
I make it 19 overage outfielders:

Will Aimson (3/6/94)
Gethin Jones (13/10/95)
George Johnston (1/9/98)
Eoin Toal (15/2/99)
Ricardo Santos (18/6/95)

MJ Williams (6/11/95)
Kieran Lee (22/6/88)
Josh Sheehan (30/3/95)
Kyle Dempsey (17/9/95)
Aaron Morley (27/2/00)

Lloyd Isgrove (12/1/93)
Jack Iredale (2/5/96)
Declan John (30/6/95)
Kieran Sadlier (14/9/94)

Elias Kachunga (22/4/92)
Amadou Bakayoko (1/1/96)
Jon Dadi Bodvarsson (25/5/92)
Dapo Afolayan (11/9/97)
Dion Charles (7/10/95)

Trafford and Dixon don't count as they're goalkeepers; Bradley and Thomason are underage.

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Post by The_Gun » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:44 pm

And how many overage players are we permitted again?

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Post by brommers95 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:49 pm

The_Gun wrote:
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And how many overage players are we permitted again?
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Post by irie Cee Bee » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:18 pm

Cool. So no one needs to go unless we need the funds to finance the in-comings.

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Post by nicholaldo » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:54 pm

I'd still like us to sign another right wing-back, however I can appreciate that in our position that's a difficult task. Notwithstanding financial considerations, it's a tough position to recruit for in its own right - there are few players who have the requisite skillset - and Bradley will clearly be our first choice.

I'd prefer us not to sign players spefically as back-up as I think any new signing should be a potential improvement on what we currently have (a very slim possibility on early evidence). I think Evatt is probably also of the same mindset so I'm guessing we end up going without, but in an ideal world I'd have a second specialist signed up.

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Post by nicholaldo » Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:55 pm

And also competition for MJ Williams, naturally.

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Post by sonicthewhite » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:21 am

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And also competition for MJ Williams, naturally.
That should be a priority.
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:19 am

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Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:54 pm
I'd still like us to sign another right wing-back, however I can appreciate that in our position that's a difficult task. Notwithstanding financial considerations, it's a tough position to recruit for in its own right - there are few players who have the requisite skillset - and Bradley will clearly be our first choice.

I'd prefer us not to sign players spefically as back-up as I think any new signing should be a potential improvement on what we currently have (a very slim possibility on early evidence). I think Evatt is probably also of the same mindset so I'm guessing we end up going without, but in an ideal world I'd have a second specialist signed up.
Is it not the other side we are lighter though? Sadlier and in theory Isgrove offer cover down the right. On the left we have John and Iredale, but Iredale offers cover in the back three or potentially over time commands a place there.

He’s done well Iredale so far at WB and happy for him to play there but I don’t think it’s his natural position. I also think LWB it could be possible to bring in someone better than we have (a prem loan?) whereas it’s obvious Bradley will command the other side short of injury etc….

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Re: Deal or no deal? - Summer 2022 Transfer gossip!

Post by Mar » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:00 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:57 pm
irie Cee Bee wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:50 pm
My understanding is that we have 2 more spaces in the squad to fill without moving anyone on, unless it is that we are getting a good transfer fee doing so. We have a good squad which needs a couple players in from leagues above for automatic promotion.
I make it 19 overage outfielders:

Will Aimson (3/6/94)
Gethin Jones (13/10/95)
George Johnston (1/9/98)
Eoin Toal (15/2/99)
Ricardo Santos (18/6/95)

MJ Williams (6/11/95)
Kieran Lee (22/6/88)
Josh Sheehan (30/3/95)
Kyle Dempsey (17/9/95)
Aaron Morley (27/2/00)

Lloyd Isgrove (12/1/93)
Jack Iredale (2/5/96)
Declan John (30/6/95)
Kieran Sadlier (14/9/94)

Elias Kachunga (22/4/92)
Amadou Bakayoko (1/1/96)
Jon Dadi Bodvarsson (25/5/92)
Dapo Afolayan (11/9/97)
Dion Charles (7/10/95)

Trafford and Dixon don't count as they're goalkeepers; Bradley and Thomason are underage.
Been hearing the mention of players coming in and some potentially going. Perhaps those not getting much game time (although I find that hard to believe).

I suspect if anyone's likely to be touted for in's and out's, i'd suspect the following:

Isgrove
Sheehan
Thomason

Isgrove and Sheehan for injury reasons and being able to ensure they are registered in time. Can't imagine it would be an ideal scenario to register both only for their injury to curtail our options. Fingers crossed they stay injury free but I could imagine that's a consideration.

Thomason, presumably because we would be looking at improving the tough tackling midfield role and he may be wanting a more first team role. Being underage and a progression from the youth team it seems logical to keep him on board.

The good thing is, and we've not had this for a long time, there's a very decent argument for not looking to move anyone on. All look a good addition and can offer some quality so hopefully they stay. The squad is in a good place.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:50 am

Mar wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:00 am
Been hearing the mention of players coming in and some potentially going. Perhaps those not getting much game time (although I find that hard to believe).

I suspect if anyone's likely to be touted for in's and out's, i'd suspect the following:

Isgrove
Sheehan
Thomason

Isgrove and Sheehan for injury reasons and being able to ensure they are registered in time. Can't imagine it would be an ideal scenario to register both only for their injury to curtail our options. Fingers crossed they stay injury free but I could imagine that's a consideration.

Thomason, presumably because we would be looking at improving the tough tackling midfield role and he may be wanting a more first team role. Being underage and a progression from the youth team it seems logical to keep him on board.

The good thing is, and we've not had this for a long time, there's a very decent argument for not looking to move anyone on. All look a good addition and can offer some quality so hopefully they stay. The squad is in a good place.
Yep. There's counter-arguments against sending out all the three you mention: Isgrove offers cover at RWB, Sheehan we haven't really seen in a balanced threatening team ("like a new signing!"), Thomason offers a balance of grit and passing and is one of our own (and doesn't take up a squad slot either).

I suspect we'd be happy to keep them and everyone really unless and until the opportunity comes along to trade up.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:46 pm

Wrote this and the best idea in it was Carlos Mendes Gomes, whom Luton promptly loaned to Fleetwood. Oh well... here's the rest.

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With a handful of games under the belt, it seems a good time to check which Championship players aren’t getting much game-time and thus could be reasonable transfer targets, especially if their clubs are recruiting in their department. Here’s some names which fit that bill, even if they don’t tick other boxes.

BLACKBURN’s talented young defender HAYDEN CARTER is close to a comeback from a pre-season hamstring injury. Last season he did very well indeed on the right of Pompey’s back three, and can also play right (wing-)back. We would also be usefully close for Rovers to keep tabs on him, but they may want him to get more minutes than we can promise; they may also wish to keep him – he’s highly considered – although his mistimed injury has pointed them at the transfer market, which could leave him open to a loan.

Another Blackburn option could be JOE RANKIN-COSTELLO. New Rovers boss Jon Dahl Tomasson’s first signing was Barnsley’s Callum Brittain, who plays RB/RWB/midfield - the versatile Rankin-Costello’s general area of operations. The Stockport-born six-footer started in United’s academy but joined Rovers at 15; he’s just turned 23 and although he signed a new deal last summer (following a 16-game season) lasting until 2024, it feels like he could be a loan-to-buy option. Not in any of table-topping Rovers’ three Champo match day squads yet, he played on the right of a back four in the Lge Cup win over Hartlepool and racked up 98 passes up and down the wing.

Shifting to BLACKPOOL, new Tangerines boss Musclebound Michael Appleton spent money on Brentford’s former Arsenal left-back Dominic Thompson, which may not be good news for LUKE GARBUTT. Currently shaking off a knock, he’s yet to appear for the Seaseaseasiders this seaseaseason – but with 100+ games in the third tier, 50 in the second and five in the top flight, the former Everton lad - 30 in May - would provide experienced back-up for John as a front-foot wing-back.

Perhaps a riskier Blackpool proposition would be KEVIN STEWART. Like the last lad we lifted from Blackpool, he’s a former Liverpool defensive midfielder, although unlike MJ he played more than once for the Anfield mob - 20 in all. He moved to Hull, playing 78 times in three second-tier seasons, before joining Blackpool, but has been persistently troubled by injury niggles - he’s currently out until the end of the month with a stress-fractured foot. Like Garbutt, he’s late-20s and would add experience of the middle two tiers in a shallow position – but those injury knocks are a worry.

At PRESTON, Ryan Lowe has transfer-listed MATT OLOSUNDE and JOSH HARROP. 6ft 1in Olosunde is an American right-back/right midfielder - stop me if you’ve heard that one before - who joined Man United at U18 level and subsequently played 64 games for Rotherham in the middle two tiers. PNE gave him a two-year contract in 2021 but Achilles and groin injuries kept him out last year, and although he played in pre-season. Lowe has other plans.

Harrop is a former Man U player – scored against Palace in May 2017, then rejected a contract extension to drop down to PNE. A No.10, he helped Alex Neil’s side finish 7th in his first season but then suffered an ACL injury; he scored 8 in 2019/20 but has had two poor seasons since - Neil leaving PNE, disappointing loans to Ipswich and Fleetwood. With a year left on his contract he has been completely excluded by Lowe and told to find another club. Clearly talented, he needs the right club. Still only 26.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:10 pm

I’d be looking for a LWB personally. Alongside something in midfield.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:29 pm

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I’d be looking for a LWB personally. Alongside something in midfield.
Haven't seen many a possibly-available LWB, TBH

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:33 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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I’d be looking for a LWB personally. Alongside something in midfield.
Haven't seen many a possibly-available LWB, TBH
I’m wondering if Sadlier could work there. If we could find someone who can play down that side and offer a bit more thrust I think it would help massively.

As noted in the match thread Dempsey who for me was very good last night was playing on the left of the midfield trio and did really well but got absolutely nothing out of John who was for me a complete passenger. When he moved to the right and played with Bradley it was an entirely different game.

John just doesn’t look right to me. Something is amiss there.

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