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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by brommers95 » Tue May 03, 2022 6:20 pm

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Aye, it's possible that Gordon benefited from more coaching for longer, but Greenidge looked historically hapless. That foul throw. Then again, Santos didn't look great early days, as in Prufrock's deathless description of his display at Colchester being the worst he'd seen at any level good enough to feature a referee.

It will be interesting to see where they end up - both this summer and "eventually". I would be surprised if Liam gets a third-tier offer. Morecambe, maybe?
Not sure I’ll ever get over that throw-in technique :shock:

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by officer_dibble » Tue May 03, 2022 6:50 pm

I thought Liam Gordon was one of those players who struggled with 2020 - long way from home and no family or friends outside of the club up here, coupled with no socializing meant a struggle I think. Having said that I don’t think he’ll play many games at this level - league two/conference (one and the same now) is about right.

Greenidge wasn’t great! What game was that foul throw in? Might try to find it to remind myself how far we have come!

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

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I thought Liam Gordon was one of those players who struggled with 2020 - long way from home and no family or friends outside of the club up here, coupled with no socializing meant a struggle I think. Having said that I don’t think he’ll play many games at this level - league two/conference (one and the same now) is about right.

Greenidge wasn’t great! What game was that foul throw in? Might try to find it to remind myself how far we have come!
If memory serves there was a couple of foul throws, fairly early doors iirc...

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by brommers95 » Tue May 03, 2022 8:16 pm

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I thought Liam Gordon was one of those players who struggled with 2020 - long way from home and no family or friends outside of the club up here, coupled with no socializing meant a struggle I think. Having said that I don’t think he’ll play many games at this level - league two/conference (one and the same now) is about right.

Greenidge wasn’t great! What game was that foul throw in? Might try to find it to remind myself how far we have come!
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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue May 03, 2022 10:22 pm

Zero surprises then.

In the end it's not one any bookie would have taken bets on and I think they were destined to go.

The Tutte and Baps wording it interesting, but otherwise pretty standard.

Unlike some other clubs we've not clarified the position of the contracted players - which may or may not mean they are all staying. That'll be the next thing to keep an eye on. Whether we get any leaks from the other clubs involved about bids for our players (Bolton now being pretty leakproof).

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue May 03, 2022 10:59 pm

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Unlike some other clubs we've not clarified the position of the contracted players - which may or may not mean they are all staying. That'll be the next thing to keep an eye on. Whether we get any leaks from the other clubs involved about bids for our players (Bolton now being pretty leakproof).
Yeah, fair point. I suspect some clubs use the “still under contract” names for clarification, and perhaps to assuage fans who might worry about lack of numbers. Morecambe’s batch-listing is unusual these days. Transfers more likely to happen on the quiet, so as you say, let’s see if any whispers emerge - because I have a feeling there’s maybe three or four players falling in the wide spaces between “desperate to keep” and “actively seeking to eject”.

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue May 03, 2022 11:02 pm

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Tue May 03, 2022 10:59 pm
Yeah, fair point. I suspect some clubs use the “still under contract” names for clarification, and perhaps to assuage fans who might worry about lack of numbers. Morecambe’s batch-listing is unusual these days. Transfers more likely to happen on the quiet, so as you say, let’s see if any whispers emerge - because I have a feeling there’s maybe three or four players falling in the wide spaces between “desperate to keep” and “actively seeking to eject”.
Morecambe's list is just Derek Adams being his usual, charming self.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue May 03, 2022 11:08 pm

“These players are also, much to my chagrin, still somehow on the pay roll”

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Post by LeverEnd » Tue May 03, 2022 11:11 pm

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Tue May 03, 2022 11:02 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 10:59 pm
Yeah, fair point. I suspect some clubs use the “still under contract” names for clarification, and perhaps to assuage fans who might worry about lack of numbers. Morecambe’s batch-listing is unusual these days. Transfers more likely to happen on the quiet, so as you say, let’s see if any whispers emerge - because I have a feeling there’s maybe three or four players falling in the wide spaces between “desperate to keep” and “actively seeking to eject”.
Morecambe's list is just Derek Adams being his usual, charming self.
Would be nice if they all managed to play a part in relegating Morecambe next season and scream in his face like that dude from Newport 😁
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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed May 04, 2022 6:26 am

Santos says he wants to stay and talks on a new contract are positive. I'll be thrilled if we can get him signed on for a decent amount of time. He's been an absolute beast this season and his physical attributes give us so many tactical options.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ract-club/

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by The_Gun » Wed May 04, 2022 8:45 am

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 6:26 am
Santos says he wants to stay and talks on a new contract are positive. I'll be thrilled if we can get him signed on for a decent amount of time. He's been an absolute beast this season and his physical attributes give us so many tactical options.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ract-club/
Yeah I was also very pleased to read that this morning. If we can bring in Iredale, Fossey (if we're confident he's not a perma-crock) and maybe another young CB, we'd be looking pretty good at the back for next season.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed May 04, 2022 8:46 am

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Interesting the wording of "Defender Alex Baptiste and midfielder Andrew Tutte have not had their playing contracts renewed, while full-back Liam Gordon and forward Nathan Delfouneso – who is finishing the season on loan at Bradford City – have been released."

To me that suggests Baps and Tutte are staying around in some sort of coaching capacity.
Ilesy is wondering this too. Well, to “help out with” the B team - which could be a playing role I suppose, if that was enough for them, with an eye to a coaching career.

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Post by officer_dibble » Wed May 04, 2022 8:47 am

I wonder whether Santos will have a release clause? Team from a higher division at £3 million or whatever. Are they still a thing, or is it just accepted we’ll sell if it’s best for both parties?

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed May 04, 2022 8:47 am

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Ilesy is wondering this too. Well, to “help out with” the B team - which could be a playing role I suppose, if that was enough for them, with an eye to a coaching career.
I don't think either of them have done their badges yet, so working as player/coaches in the Bs whilst they do them would make a lot of sense.

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by officer_dibble » Wed May 04, 2022 8:48 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 8:46 am
brommers95 wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:59 pm
Interesting the wording of "Defender Alex Baptiste and midfielder Andrew Tutte have not had their playing contracts renewed, while full-back Liam Gordon and forward Nathan Delfouneso – who is finishing the season on loan at Bradford City – have been released."

To me that suggests Baps and Tutte are staying around in some sort of coaching capacity.
Ilesy is wondering this too. Well, to “help out with” the B team - which could be a playing role I suppose, if that was enough for them, with an eye to a coaching career.
Baptiste has said he thinks he has another season of football in him. We need his squad place for an upgrade. He’s moving on, and best of luck to him.

Not sure what Tutte has to offer - has he done coaching qualifications? Like you I was underwhelmed by Hird, albeit there has been an improvement in the defence since he came.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed May 04, 2022 8:50 am

The_Gun wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 8:45 am
GhostoftheBok wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 6:26 am
Santos says he wants to stay and talks on a new contract are positive. I'll be thrilled if we can get him signed on for a decent amount of time. He's been an absolute beast this season and his physical attributes give us so many tactical options.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ract-club/
Yeah I was also very pleased to read that this morning. If we can bring in Iredale, Fossey (if we're confident he's not a perma-crock) and maybe another young CB, we'd be looking pretty good at the back for next season.
Maybe but I think I’d like an upgraded RCB too. We can see Iredale as an upgrade on Gordon plus a replacement/upgrade for Baptiste. I guess we still have Gethin and Aimson but I think I want one more boost.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed May 04, 2022 8:54 am

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Wed May 04, 2022 8:48 am
Baptiste has said he thinks he has another season of football in him. We need his squad place for an upgrade. He’s moving on, and best of luck to him.

Not sure what Tutte has to offer - has he done coaching qualifications? Like you I was underwhelmed by Hird, albeit there has been an improvement in the defence since he came.
For clarity, I’m not talking about keeping them in the EFL-registered first team squad, but having them play alongside the promising youngsters in the Bs, teaching them on-pitch in-game, while developing their coaching and taking their badges etc. (Clearly there are also financial issues to consider too.)

I trust Ghost’s insight that they’ve not yet taken their badges, which always makes me wonder - how does a player get to his mid-thirties (in Baps’ case) and suddenly realise he hasn’t taken them? Are footballers really in that much denial about the shortness of their career?

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Wed May 04, 2022 8:57 am

officer_dibble wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 8:47 am
I wonder whether Santos will have a release clause? Team from a higher division at £3 million or whatever. Are they still a thing, or is it just accepted we’ll sell if it’s best for both parties?
None ever mentioned AFAIK. Could be written into this one; if so, the price point would be an interesting discussion.

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Re: Released/Retained List 2022

Post by GhostoftheBok » Wed May 04, 2022 9:03 am

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Wed May 04, 2022 8:50 am
Maybe but I think I’d like an upgraded RCB too. We can see Iredale as an upgrade on Gordon plus a replacement/upgrade for Baptiste. I guess we still have Gethin and Aimson but I think I want one more boost.
I'd strongly support us looking into getting Olowu and Martin (on loan from Norwich) from relegated Doncaster.

Olowu is the only centre half who has had Bodvarsson in his pocket this season, which led to Bod playing off the fullbacks to get free. He's fast, strong, good one on one and his Arsenal education means he's capable of much better football than Donny played.

Martin's deal expires next summer and Norwich have been reluctant to offer him new terms thus far. Their relegation may change that, but if we want another option who can affect the final third (with Xav going) I'd suggest he'd be an excellent pick up.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed May 04, 2022 9:11 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 8:54 am
officer_dibble wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 8:48 am
Baptiste has said he thinks he has another season of football in him. We need his squad place for an upgrade. He’s moving on, and best of luck to him.

Not sure what Tutte has to offer - has he done coaching qualifications? Like you I was underwhelmed by Hird, albeit there has been an improvement in the defence since he came.
For clarity, I’m not talking about keeping them in the EFL-registered first team squad, but having them play alongside the promising youngsters in the Bs, teaching them on-pitch in-game, while developing their coaching and taking their badges etc. (Clearly there are also financial issues to consider too.)

I trust Ghost’s insight that they’ve not yet taken their badges, which always makes me wonder - how does a player get to his mid-thirties (in Baps’ case) and suddenly realise he hasn’t taken them? Are footballers really in that much denial about the shortness of their career?
Speculation of course but perhaps Baps doesn’t have designs on coaching? He may have other interests. I imagine he’s made a bit of money from the game and perhaps has investments or property plans when he retires?

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