Season 22/23 In Review

[GhostoftheBok]

For me Ghost, there is a difference between "successful and entertaining"

There have been plenty of threads over the season, certainly early doors, mentioning how uninspiring we were to watch...

I agree, but again I'd point back to (I think it was the Sun) media coverage of Arsenal's "doughnut of sadness" and how boring they were under Arteta. Then you get to now when they're playing the same style of football but it's supposedly the most exciting thing ever. I seem to recall people also said Pep's footy was dull when he showed up.

The difference between "I'm bored" and "This is amazing" is often one pass. Having the bollocks to take the opening presented and create something.

This "boring" football creates loads of openings, but the players don't take them. Generally they should be better at that as time goes by, but we also need a couple of new players with the right mentality to try things. However, they need to understand when it's right and when it's not. Try everything and you end up too transitional and concede too many goals.

[BWFC_Insane]

For me Ghost, there is a difference between "successful and entertaining"

There have been plenty of threads over the season, certainly early doors, mentioning how uninspiring we were to watch...

I agree, but again I'd point back to (I think it was the Sun) media coverage of Arsenal's "doughnut of sadness" and how boring they were under Arteta. Then you get to now when they're playing the same style of football but it's supposedly the most exciting thing ever. I seem to recall people also said Pep's footy was dull when he showed up.

The difference between "I'm bored" and "This is amazing" is often one pass. Having the bollocks to take the opening presented and create something.

This "boring" football creates loads of openings, but the players don't take them. Generally they should be better at that as time goes by, but we also need a couple of new players with the right mentality to try things. However, they need to understand when it's right and when it's not. Try everything and you end up too transitional and concede too many goals.

Winning matters. Style doesn't.

[GhostoftheBok]

Winning matters. Style doesn't.

Good job we won the first trophy in 30-odd years then. Onwards and upwards.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

If style doesn't matter, there seems to be an awful lot of comments about it.

Clearly style does matter. Clearly there are divisions of opinion over it. Clearly that's fine. And clearly the old matrix still holds true - that winning 'functional' football will be better received than non-winning 'beautiful' football.

[Worthy4England]

For me Ghost, there is a difference between "successful and entertaining"

There have been plenty of threads over the season, certainly early doors, mentioning how uninspiring we were to watch...

I agree, but again I'd point back to (I think it was the Sun) media coverage of Arsenal's "doughnut of sadness" and how boring they were under Arteta. Then you get to now when they're playing the same style of football but it's supposedly the most exciting thing ever. I seem to recall people also said Pep's footy was dull when he showed up.

The difference between "I'm bored" and "This is amazing" is often one pass. Having the bollocks to take the opening presented and create something.

This "boring" football creates loads of openings, but the players don't take them. Generally they should be better at that as time goes by, but we also need a couple of new players with the right mentality to try things. However, they need to understand when it's right and when it's not. Try everything and you end up too transitional and concede too many goals.

Bottom line for me, is people will make up their own minds (whether you agree with them or not - or I for that matter)...The thing that is "supposedly the most exciting thing ever" is not the same thing that was a doughnut of sadness. It has different players in it, doing different things with the ball (not necessarily the possession).

I agree that the difference can be one pass (or hopefully a number of "one passes"). But it's quite an important one, when that pass doesn't happen most of the time, you're left with possession not going anywhere fast, and aimlessly kicking the ball across the 18 yard line against a low block.

Too many times, and I agree with the reasons you've identified, whilst I've been happy with a 1-0 win overall, I haven't come away thinking "what a cracking game that was" - I'm sure I'm not alone.

I actually agree with DSB, that the two are hand in hand, but you're more likely to be forgiving of the "style" when it brings you success...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I actually agree with DSB

Don't sound so amazed

[Worthy4England]

I actually agree with DSB

Don't sound so amazed

Well, after what will be known in forum terms as "the American Date Scandal" - I was having my doubts!

My OCD is still flaring up at YY-MM-DD....That's for wrong 'uns.

[Prufrock]

It means documents are automatically sorted by date. It's the future.

And the present. And the past.

[Worthy4England]

It means documents are automatically sorted by date. It's the future.

And the present. And the past.

You stick to words...the rest of us will just drop a filter on it, lob a pivot across it and otherwise have it all in the correct format for dropping into a document, where most in the UK will expect DD/MM/YYYY

[Prufrock]

En anglais, s'il vous plait!

[GhostoftheBok]

En anglais, s'il vous plait!

As with all French that translated roughly as, "You win, I give up."

[BWFC_Insane]

If style doesn't matter, there seems to be an awful lot of comments about it.

Clearly style does matter. Clearly there are divisions of opinion over it. Clearly that's fine. And clearly the old matrix still holds true - that winning 'functional' football will be better received than non-winning 'beautiful' football.

Comments about style arise when you aren't winning. If the style you play is winning games I suspect very little is mentioned about it. Till Souness needs an excuse I guess.

[BWFC_Insane]

Winning matters. Style doesn't.

Good job we won the first trophy in 30-odd years then. Onwards and upwards.

I didn't say otherwise? The football hasn't been great but we've had a successful season. I'll take that. When we play in a more expansive manner ala Wembley it is very good.

How we play next season is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is we have P against our name at the end. If we don't then the style will be dissected for how its failed to contribute to that P. Which is fair enough.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I actually agree with DSB

Don't sound so amazed

Well, after what will be known in forum terms as "the American Date Scandal" - I was having my doubts!

My OCD is still flaring up at YY-MM-DD....That's for wrong 'uns.

In copy, I'm dd/mm/yy; in filenames, i'm yymmdd for reasons Pru states; on forums, in cases like that, I'll go month first usually cos then it lines up neatly.

I did for a while refer conversationally to America's second-most famous date as 11/9 but people didn't seem to find it funny.
You might also like https://domsson.github.io/freedom-clock/

[Worthy4England]

I need a lie down....freedom clock has done for me...

[GhostoftheBok]

I did for a while refer conversationally to America's second-most famous date as 11/9 but people didn't seem to find it funny.

I suppose it's fitting that a joke about terrorism bombed.

[Prufrock]

Jet fuel *can* burn jokes.