Murder on the Orient Express. Home to Leyton O, Sat 23rd Dec, 15:00

[Worthy4England]

I get that it takes two sides to make that type of game. It's a "that" problem, rather than an "us" problem (mind I don't think I said it was an "us" problem, just that possession based football can look pretty boring, because of the imbalance)

[dave the minion]

To be clear on this bolded part - you’re glad that some fans are dissatisfied? Sounds to me like you’d rather be right than happy.

Santos, Johnston, Jones, Thomason, Morley, Sheehan, Dempsey, Charles...I could go on and list almost every player at the club. It's a very much incomplete list of the players Insane has said weren't good enough to play in League One for us.

Vic should be honoured to make the cut.

Is there a player left Insane hasn't written off at some point?

Is it just Toal and Bodvarsson? Or has he gone after those two as well?

There is a difference between ‘not very good at football’ and not good enough to play for us.

And a difference between one player clearly being a much better footballer than the other.

And I could go on. But good enough depends on context.

You've repeatedly said many of the team have poor mentality / are lazy / can't be arsed / no leaders etc etc.

You've described Vic as a liability - therefore not even "not good enough", but actually presumably so bad that he makes the sum of the parts less than if he wasn't playing?

As I asked earlier which you haven't addressed: if Vic playing makes us effectively a 10 man team (or less, if he's an actual liability), how did the lazy/leaderless/mentally fragile other 10 go on the run that we did and comfortably be the best team in the league for a couple of months?

[GhostoftheBok]

I get that it takes two sides to make that type of game. It's a "that" problem, rather than an "us" problem (mind I don't think I said it was an "us" problem, just that possession based football can look pretty boring, because of the imbalance)

No, I get you. Like I say, let's all hope we go up this season, get some more attacking/pacy lads into the side and get a few of those games you want to see.

Playing staff does matter. One of the reasons we are poor in transition is we've not got a lot of pace in attack to trouble sides on the counter. Every window brings hope of fixing that issue.

[DJBlu]

What a header.

Oh and that other useless clump with the original clearance and quickest to the close down.

[GhostoftheBok]

What a header.

Oh and that other useless clump with the original clearance and quickest to the close down.

Pure luck.

[BWFC_Insane]

What a header.

Oh and that other useless clump with the original clearance and quickest to the close down.

Pure luck.

No. The luck is that the original header a yard either side of Jerome and it’s a goal. We had no control over that and it was lucky it was straight at him.

[TANGODANCER]

No. The luck is that the original header a yard either side of Jerome and it’s a goal. We had no control over that and it was lucky it was straight at him.

Now there's a real Auntie Fanny/Uncle Tommy situation..

[DJBlu]

What a header.

Oh and that other useless clump with the original clearance and quickest to the close down.

Pure luck.

No. The luck is that the original header a yard either side of Jerome and it’s a goal. We had no control over that and it was lucky it was straight at him.

There's a fecking keeper one side and a post the other.

[GhostoftheBok]

No. The luck is that the original header a yard either side of Jerome and it’s a goal. We had no control over that and it was lucky it was straight at him.

"We need bodies on the line defending!"
"NOT LIKE THAT!"

Just stop it

[GhostoftheBok]

There's a fecking keeper one side and a post the other.

Experienced pro luckily gets his defensive positioning spot on.

[Prufrock]

Lot of a (lower league) Gary Cahill about Forrester.

[dave the minion]

What a header.

Oh and that other useless clump with the original clearance and quickest to the close down.

Pure luck.

No. The luck is that the original header a yard either side of Jerome and it’s a goal. We had no control over that and it was lucky it was straight at him.

Amazing. Utterly amazing.

Why wasn't it just ucky then that they successfully defended Vic's chance, meaning he did nothing wrong at all......

[GhostoftheBok]

Amazing. Utterly amazing.

Why wasn't it just ucky then that they successfully defended Vic's chance, meaning he did nothing wrong at all......

Every save any goalkeeper has ever made is luck. What if the striker had hit it better?

Every block ever made...luck. Ball could have gone anywhere. Positioning is neither good nor bad until the ball is struck.

Whole game is a dice roll. Why even play? Do the coin flip at the start and the winner gets 3 points. Simple.

Schrodinger's bollocks.

[nicholaldo]

Lot of a (lower league) Gary Cahill about Forrester.

I think he could be a real find.

Mind you, I thought similar about Toal and he seems to be finding it a bit difficult currently.

[GhostoftheBok]

I think he could be a real find.

Mind you, I thought similar about Toal and he seems to be finding it a bit difficult currently.

Think you're right about both. Has Toal reached 50 games in England yet? There's a hole in his game that he can work on.

I think Eoin and Will have a similar number of League One starts. Brilliant signings for the money, as things stand. Delighted with both of them. If they are committed to their careers they can both play a level up.

[BWFC_Insane]

No. The luck is that the original header a yard either side of Jerome and it’s a goal. We had no control over that and it was lucky it was straight at him.

"We need bodies on the line defending!"
"NOT LIKE THAT!"

Just stop it

The context is we were 3-0 up at home to Leyton bloody Orient and only won because they put a free header with half the goal gaping straight at Jerome. It was good play from Jerome no doubt but if you are ignoring that we got away with one then it’s head buried in sand time.

It’s not like we were playing a good team and we managed to shoot ourselves in the foot and it very very nearly was totally calamitous.

Thats the point I’m making. Yes we did some decent bodies in front of the ball stuff but again it’s Leyton Orient and we were three up.

We got lucky in the end - lucky that they didn’t take a chance. If you want to suggest that it was not lucky at all and all perfectly managed and controlled then we will disagree.

But the context is we weren’t playing Man City or Liverpool or Bayern Munich. But Leyton Orient. And tripped ourselves up. As is usually the case.

[GhostoftheBok]

As is usually the case.

We're 3rd with a game in hand and a 62% win rate.

As is usually the case?

Honestly, what is going on, Insane? Are you alright?

[truewhite15]

No. The luck is that the original header a yard either side of Jerome and it’s a goal. We had no control over that and it was lucky it was straight at him.

"We need bodies on the line defending!"
"NOT LIKE THAT!"

Just stop it

The context is we were 3-0 up at home to Leyton bloody Orient and only won because they put a free header with half the goal gaping straight at Jerome. It was good play from Jerome no doubt but if you are ignoring that we got away with one then it’s head buried in sand time.

It’s not like we were playing a good team and we managed to shoot ourselves in the foot and it very very nearly was totally calamitous.

Thats the point I’m making. Yes we did some decent bodies in front of the ball stuff but again it’s Leyton Orient and we were three up.

We got lucky in the end - lucky that they didn’t take a chance. If you want to suggest that it was not lucky at all and all perfectly managed and controlled then we will disagree.

But the context is we weren’t playing Man City or Liverpool or Bayern Munich. But Leyton Orient. And tripped ourselves up. As is usually the case.

So the old adage of "you can only beat what's in front of you" means nowt to you, predictably. You can only ever be judged against the best of the best of the best.

You're a joke.

[Worthy4England]

I am a bit lost on the not playing City, Liverpool or Bayern Munich, bit. Been a while since even City were in the third tier and we're hardly making the case we're competitors...

A decent bit of defending is just that. Doesn't matter who you're playing.

[GhostoftheBok]

I am a bit lost on the not playing City, Liverpool or Bayern Munich, bit. Been a while since even City were in the third tier and we're hardly making the case we're competitors...

A decent bit of defending is just that. Doesn't matter who you're playing.

The BWFC badge's magical properties should mean we are only ever troubled by European giants. We're not really a League One club on a League One budget, you see. It's all in the mind.