The Politics Thread

[Bruce Rioja]

Leadsom to quit the race according to the BBC. So does that mean we get May by default? Our next PM won't even be decided by a vote of Tory members?

To be fair though it's going to be May whether it goes to a vote or not. This just saves a lot of fannying about.

[BWFC_Insane]

Leadsom to quit the race according to the BBC. So does that mean we get May by default? Our next PM won't even be decided by a vote of Tory members?

To be fair though it's going to be May whether it goes to a vote or not. This just saves a lot of fannying about.

Hmm. Not sure it was 100% nailed on. Very likely. But Leadsom did have some support across the membership. And see what happened with Corbyn, for example....

I still think to not even have a party membership vote on this, in the current climate, feels a little like a weak mandate. Especially as there is no effective opposition to challenge anything.

[Rjs37]

Angles Eagles will announce her leadership bid on Monday. Gawd help us. As an aside, if you tell a journo your going to announce your leadership bid, haven't you, in fact, announced it?

Replacing one unelectable leader with another. Well played Labour. I hope for their sake that they find someone else more suitable.

[Bruce Rioja]

Leadsom to quit the race according to the BBC. So does that mean we get May by default? Our next PM won't even be decided by a vote of Tory members?

To be fair though it's going to be May whether it goes to a vote or not. This just saves a lot of fannying about.

Hmm. Not sure it was 100% nailed on. Very likely. But Leadsom did have some support across the membership. And see what happened with Corbyn, for example....

I still think to not even have a party membership vote on this, in the current climate, feels a little like a weak mandate. Especially as there is no effective opposition to challenge anything.

Well, Mrs Leadsom will just have to go back to her career as a pioneering astronaut

[Hoboh]

Leadsom to quit the race according to the BBC. So does that mean we get May by default? Our next PM won't even be decided by a vote of Tory members?

To be fair though it's going to be May whether it goes to a vote or not. This just saves a lot of fannying about.

Hmm. Not sure it was 100% nailed on. Very likely. But Leadsom did have some support across the membership. And see what happened with Corbyn, for example....

I still think to not even have a party membership vote on this, in the current climate, feels a little like a weak mandate. Especially as there is no effective opposition to challenge anything.

At least we won't have the spectacle of Jabbott the hut accusing Eagles of 'the empire strikes back' tactics

[Hoboh]

Labour calls for a general election


Labour is calling for an election. This is from Jon Trickett, Labour’s election coordinator and a member of the shadow cabinet.

It now looks likely that we are about to have the coronation of a new Conservative prime minister.

It is crucial, given the instability caused by the Brexit vote, that the country has a democratically elected prime minister. I am now putting the whole of the party on a general election footing. It is time for the Labour party to unite and ensure the millions of people in the country left behind by the Tories’ failed economic policies, have the opportunity to elect a Labour government.

It might not be the best time for Trickett to call upon the party to unite. Six minutes after Trickett’s statement arrived in my inbox, another email arrived from Labour’s general secretary, Iain McNicol, confirming that there would be a leadership contest. He said:



I have now received sufficient nominations to trigger a contest for the position of Leader of the Labour party.

I will now ask the chair of the national executive committee to convene a meeting to confirm arrangements for an election.

[Hoboh]

Labour calls for a general election


Labour is calling for an election. This is from Jon Trickett, Labour’s election coordinator and a member of the shadow cabinet.

I've got to say, I agree with them. A new tory leader and PM without even the party membership voting, and no party having a manifesto related to the actual process of leaving the EU (at least beyond a referendum). Morally and democratically at least, there needs to be a snap election, but I'm sure May said a few weeks back that if she were to become PM there would not be one.

Missed the bit about no Labour leader to enter a general election?

Politics is like a Keith Lemmon show at the moment

[BWFC_Insane]

Labour calling for a GE is like a Turkey asking for Christmas day to be brought forward to next week.

[Lord Kangana]

I suspect it wouldn't just be labour who would lose. Volatile times.

[Worthy4England]

We sort of keep coming back to the same place in relation to general election. Tory party manifesto pledged a referendum, and the GE doesn't actually elect a PM, it elects a MP's. Not sure the Tories have enough of a plan for what Brexit would look like, to put it to an electorate. I know May has said Brexit means Brexit, but she hasn't as far as I'm aware described what that might look like (or at least what she wants it to look like) in terms of "policy" on all those unanswered questions...

[Worthy4England]

Angles Eagles will announce her leadership bid on Monday. Gawd help us. As an aside, if you tell a journo your going to announce your leadership bid, haven't you, in fact, announced it?

Replacing one unelectable leader with another. Well played Labour. I hope for their sake that they find someone else more suitable.

I agree. Tallest dwarf race at the moment.

[Harry Genshaw]

Labour calls for a general election


Labour is calling for an election. This is from Jon Trickett, Labour’s election coordinator and a member of the shadow cabinet.

I've got to say, I agree with them. A new tory leader and PM without even the party membership voting, and no party having a manifesto related to the actual process of leaving the EU (at least beyond a referendum). Morally and democratically at least, there needs to be a snap election, but I'm sure May said a few weeks back that if she were to become PM there would not be one.

I don't agree. John Major and Gordon Brown didnt call snap elections when they took on the pm role. Major won a leadership contest but Brown was unopposed iirc. Like it or not, the UK elected a Tory government. Who the leader is, is fairly irrelevant

[thebish]

[Lord Kangana]

Regardless, on balance, and I say this with a heavy heart, our country needs stability right now. Yet another destabilising event is not what we need. I can only hope tht May spoke with some sincerity earlier, because what she recognised as problems in our country have only been exacerbated by a government she served in.

[Worthy4England]

I'm currently in Sonning, if anyone wants to send the hat round...

[LeverEnd]

[thebish]

Regardless, on balance, and I say this with a heavy heart, our country needs stability right now. Yet another destabilising event is not what we need. I can only hope tht May spoke with some sincerity earlier, because what she recognised as problems in our country have only been exacerbated by a government she served in.

I wouldn't be holding your breath...

When you cross-reference Theresa May's speech with her voting record, it's as if she didn't mean anything she said

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[bobo the clown]

So .... Eagles arranges a press conference to declare her candidacy.

As the journos gather word arrives that Leadsom is going to back out of the Tory one and the Eagles press desert her conference to go to the other (as it's not really news, as she's let it be known days ago).

... and she leaves to the news that Wallasey LP branch are going to seek a no-confidence vote & deselect her.
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Meanwhile. ...
Corbyn ally & founder of Momentum, Jon Lansman said "winning General Elections is a small issue that only matters to political elites".

Corbyn yesterday said winning a General Election was not as important as "changing the way politics is done".

Bravo. I mean ... f'ng bra-vo !!


If this was 'The Thick of It' the script would be rejected.

[Beefheart]

It's all fecked. Corbyn is shit and so is Eagles but it seems none of the rest of the spineless bunch of bastards are putting themselves forward.

I think the only way Corbyn has changed the way in which politics is done is by actively not trying to win.

The Tories had some infighting but they care enough about winning to put that behind them and now Theresa May is just gobbling up that centre ground.

Way to go Labour.

[BWFC_Insane]

So .... Eagles arranges a press conference to declare her candidacy.

As the journos gather word arrives that Leadsom is going to back out of the Tory one and the Eagles press desert her conference to go to the other (as it's not really news, as she's let it be known days ago).

... and she leaves to the news that Wallasey LP branch are going to seek a no-confidence vote & deselect her.
_____________________
Meanwhile. ...
Corbyn ally & founder of Momentum, Jon Lansman said "winning General Elections is a small issue that only matters to political elites".

Corbyn yesterday said winning a General Election was not as important as "changing the way politics is done".

Bravo. I mean ... f'ng bra-vo !!


If this was 'The Thick of It' the script would be rejected.

Indeed. I've said this before, but Corbyn and his supporters and those who vote for him are voting for the Tory cuts. They are saying "we're fine having the Tories in power for the next decade or more". And when these people piss and moan about Tory policy, they need reminding that they voted DIRECTLY for that policy and are as responsible as any Tory voter out there.