The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

Hoboh has previously stated on here his desire to re-nationalise energy, railways and water.

He also said he wouldn't renew trident.

He's even more militant left than Jezza.....

Not too sure about the railways unless you banned unions, hoboh's opinion is energy and water should never be in private hands anyway, trident? you are correct, I would have a few land based ICBM's, cheaper.

[BWFC_Insane]

Hoboh has previously stated on here his desire to re-nationalise energy, railways and water.

He also said he wouldn't renew trident.

He's even more militant left than Jezza.....

Not too sure about the railways unless you banned unions, hoboh's opinion is energy and water should never be in private hands anyway, trident? you are correct, I would have a few land based ICBM's, cheaper.

Practically a commie. No trident. Nationalise industries.

[Hoboh]

Hoboh has previously stated on here his desire to re-nationalise energy, railways and water.

He also said he wouldn't renew trident.

He's even more militant left than Jezza.....

Not too sure about the railways unless you banned unions, hoboh's opinion is energy and water should never be in private hands anyway, trident? you are correct, I would have a few land based ICBM's, cheaper.

Practically a commie. No trident. Nationalise industries.

Yeah, a commie sense type

[Hoboh]

Speaking of commies,

Jeremy Corbyn has taken questions from journalists following his speech to the Royal College of Nursing’s annual congress.
I asked about ex-communist Andrew Murray joining Corbyn’s election team. He is temporarily leaving his job as chief of staff to Unite’s general secretary, Len McCluskey, to help out the Labour leader. Murray was a member of the Communist party until December and has praised Stalin and North Korea. In 2015 he told the Guardian he wouldn’t be joining Labour anytime soon because of his deep-set communist views. I asked: What message does it send to voters that Labour’s campaign is being supported by a man who has praised Stalin and North Korea?
Corbyn replied:

Andrew Murray is a member of the Labour party and he is an official at Unite and he is temporarily helping us with the campaign. He is a person of enormous abilities and professionalism and is the head of staff of Unite the union. To manage a very large union and a large number of staff takes special skills and Andrew has them.
I asked if he was worried that Murray was essentially a Stalinist. Corbyn replied:

I don’t believe that Andrew is anything other than a democratic socialist and member of the Labour party like me.

So Jezza, he's basically a commie then?

[BWFC_Insane]

Here is a fine example of why politics in our country is so knacked...

Theresa May has been advised by one of Ed Milibands (yes Red commie Ed as our right wing media called him) policy advisors. And she's stolen a number of his policies, such as energy price caps, means testing winter fuel, rises in minimum wage linked to average earnings etc etc....

These policies were described as "leftist nonsense" "red ed communism" and "fantasy" by the Tory party and the right wing media 2 years ago. Thats right 2 years ago this was the most dangerous manifesto every produced.

Now it is "strong and stable leadership".

Everyone who votes for the Tories is actually putting a cross next to a box that says "I should have voted for Miliband, how stupid I am".

[Bruce Rioja]

Yes, you're right. What with them being the only policies in their entire manifesto.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yes, you're right. What with them being the only policies in their entire manifesto.

The point is these were specific policies the Tories only two years ago described as 'dangerous' 'fantasy' 'leftist nonsense'.

Those ones they are now saying are the way forward.

Bout time they packed in this party bullshit and admitted good ideas and came to some bloody consensus. Would be better for everyone.

[BWFC_Insane]

Somoeone is going to have to explain to me why Corbyn isn't doing the leaders debate tonight? Surely he needs every bit of exposure possible? Looks like another ridiculously idiotic boob.

[Bruce Rioja]

Yes, you're right. What with them being the only policies in their entire manifesto.

The point is these were specific policies the Tories only two years ago described as 'dangerous' 'fantasy' 'leftist nonsense'.

Those ones they are now saying are the way forward.

Bout time they packed in this party bullshit and admitted good ideas and came to some bloody consensus. Would be better for everyone.

I couldn't agree more than with your last line. I said something pretty much identical earlier in the thread. Where am I right now? Where's the 'None of the Above' option? That's where I'm at. This election is a 4ucking shambles.

[Bruce Rioja]

I'm finding it quite entertaining. A bunch of no-hopers squabbling it out under the banner of it being "The Leaders' Debate". Giddy aunt, blithering crin and so on.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yes, you're right. What with them being the only policies in their entire manifesto.

The point is these were specific policies the Tories only two years ago described as 'dangerous' 'fantasy' 'leftist nonsense'.

Those ones they are now saying are the way forward.

Bout time they packed in this party bullshit and admitted good ideas and came to some bloody consensus. Would be better for everyone.

I couldn't agree more than with your last line. I said something pretty much identical earlier in the thread. Where am I right now? Where's the 'None of the Above' option? That's where I'm at. This election is a 4ucking shambles.

Could take something out of all the 3 main parties manifestos that makes sense. Also all have some total nonsense.

Time for our politics to grow up before we become the USA I think.

[Bruce Rioja]

Could take something out of all the 3 main parties manifestos that makes sense. Also all have some total nonsense.

Time for our politics to grow up before we become the USA I think.

Indeed, as could I. However, there's too much 'Sorry, there's no way I could support that' in them too.

If the election was today, I'd honestly just sit it out. I also think that this idea of a Tory landslide is decreasing by the day.

[Beefheart]

Interesting that in May's Manifesto launch speech she said 'it doesn't matter where you are from' but at the same time has a policy that means firms will have to pay two grand to hire someone from outside of the EU. How much is that policy going to cost the NHS anyway?

[BWFC_Insane]

Could take something out of all the 3 main parties manifestos that makes sense. Also all have some total nonsense.

Time for our politics to grow up before we become the USA I think.

Indeed, as could I. However, there's too much 'Sorry, there's no way I could support that' in them too.

If the election was today, I'd honestly just sit it out. I also think that this idea of a Tory landslide is decreasing by the day.

The Tories will win big by default. Like you for the first time in my life I'm seriously considering spoiling my ballot paper.

Depressing.

[Bruce Rioja]

Can someone also explain this elderly healthcare business to me please? It was on the news last night that if you have over £100K worth of assets then that must be used to pay for any eventual care required, and hey, this can be paid out of your estate when you snuff it. It said that this amount will also include the value of your property. Are we talking equity here or value? The report made no distinction here. Also, what about pension funds accrued. Many of us pay in AVCs. Are we now to be punished for our prudence?

[Lord Kangana]

Just the phasing out of the Welfare State, Bruce. We'll all be expexted to pay for everything ourselves in the coming years.

I'm particularly looking forward to the return of locally-owned Turnpikes. Or Congestion Charging, in it's 21st Century guise. See also 'Smart Motorways'.

[Beefheart]

Can someone also explain this elderly healthcare business to me please? It was on the news last night that if you have over £100K worth of assets then that must be used to pay for any eventual care required, and hey, this can be paid out of your estate when you snuff it. It said that this amount will also include the value of your property. Are we talking equity here or value? The report made no distinction here. Also, what about pension funds accrued. Many of us pay in AVCs. Are we now to be punished for our prudence?

I don't know how they'd work it out. If you take a lump sum out of your pension, presumably that would be considered an asset and included, but I don't see how they could do the same for someone with an annuity.

I think the change is that the threshold of assets above which you can expect to contribute towards care has gone from something around 20-30k to 100k, but with home care now being included rather than just residential care. The question then is, where do you draw the line between what's social care and health care. For example, a nurse visiting my Nan to dress a wound after a fall. Does that count? From what age? How much does that cost her?

[Prufrock]

Someone has to pay for it and, despite their constant complaints to the contrary, pensioners haven't. Sure, pooling the risk would be better but every time anyone has suggested some sort of inheritance tax change old people have f*cked them up so...

[Bruce Rioja]

Someone has to pay for it and, despite their constant complaints to the contrary, pensioners haven't. Sure, pooling the risk would be better but every time anyone has suggested some sort of inheritance tax change old people have f*cked them up so...

But if you've paid in for all of your working life already?

Hoboh'll be along shortly banging the foreign aid drum.

[Prufrock]

Paid in for your whole life on the basis you'd die at 70, which you haven't, and which is great, like, astoundingly great, but needs paying for.

If old people aren't going to pay for it, who is?