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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:17 am

Must rate as one of the best run-outs of all time. (A GOAT, if you wish..) :pray:

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:45 am

TANGODANCER wrote:
Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:17 am
Must rate as one of the best run-outs of all time. (A GOAT, if you wish..) :pray:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/62273036
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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:36 am

V the Springboks starts today.......
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Post by Worthy4England » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:53 pm

Always difficult to judge on the first couple of hours of 1st innings, but 108-5 has a more familiar ring about it..

Johnny Duck - have we been letting him play T20 again?

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:07 pm

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Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:53 pm
Always difficult to judge on the first couple of hours of 1st innings, but 108-5 has a more familiar ring about it..

Johnny Duck - have we been letting him play T20 again?
Difficult conditions and SA have bowled outstandingly. Not sure many we are at fault for. Lees I guess.

But again shows our vulnerabilities against a good attack in testing conditions. 250 sort of pitch yet we will do well to get 150.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:30 pm

116-6, Stokes out last ball before lunch and the rain stops play.
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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:59 am

At least we didn't lose any more wickets in the PM.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:26 am

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At least we didn't lose any more wickets in the PM.
Or score any more runs... :wink:
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Post by TANGODANCER » Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:46 pm

We're, er, a little bit behind so far,, ahem...
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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:51 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
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We're, er, a little bit behind so far,, ahem...
Yeah...looking a bit tougher...

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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:54 pm

Mind the gap! Need to clear out the tail.

50 runs in the last 5 overs....

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Post by Worthy4England » Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:06 pm

Oh.

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Post by Worthy4England » Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:47 pm

Oh, oh. Down to earth with a large bump.

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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by nicholaldo » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:42 pm

I think Bazball might actually just have been EarlyDukesCalamityball.

And what business Zak Crawley has in an England Test squad, I don't know.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:48 pm

I’d not be writing anything off based on one test however disastrous it was.

I don’t think the style lost us it. First innings most wickets of the batsmen weren’t through recklessness but good bowling and testing conditions.

Probably notable these balls appeared to retain their hardness more traditionally which meant you didn’t have the ‘5 down but ball is not completely benign for 40 overs’ that definitely brought England back into games against NZ earlier this summer. Bairstow as an example may be far less effective if he’s coming in against a ball still swinging and seaming.

But it was a bad toss to lose. And we sort of know if it’s a game of batting against good bowling and the moving ball we probably will come out second best.

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Post by Worthy4England » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:44 pm

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I’d not be writing anything off based on one test however disastrous it was.

I don’t think the style lost us it. First innings most wickets of the batsmen weren’t through recklessness but good bowling and testing conditions.

Probably notable these balls appeared to retain their hardness more traditionally which meant you didn’t have the ‘5 down but ball is not completely benign for 40 overs’ that definitely brought England back into games against NZ earlier this summer. Bairstow as an example may be far less effective if he’s coming in against a ball still swinging and seaming.

But it was a bad toss to lose. And we sort of know if it’s a game of batting against good bowling and the moving ball we probably will come out second best.
Yeah as a generality - but of course on Crawley, it's not one test, it's probably "another test"...

There is a huge discrepancy around what Crawley does, dependent on who won the toss. Could be coincidental...but I don't think it is - alright when everything's going for batting, really dips when it's adversarial to batting.

We win the toss and bat - Ave 40.
Won toss and fielded - Ave 16
Lost toss and sent in - Ave 8
Lost toss and fielded - Ave 20

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Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:16 pm

Guess it's back to the drawing board then?
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Post by Worthy4England » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:40 pm

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Guess it's back to the drawing board then?
Probably not. Other than this game, we've had a decent summer so far. We are clearly still struggling on openers, but we've tried a lot of them recently...Crawley, I think they're trying a "long term" strategy on and hoping it pays off at some point in the future...he's not really showing signs to me that it will, in perfect conditions he's great, so I think they see that at his best he's a better bet than many. But, IMO, he's not as good in less than perfect conditions (which are around more often than perfect) than some of our other picks...

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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:10 am

Worthy4England wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:44 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:48 pm
I’d not be writing anything off based on one test however disastrous it was.

I don’t think the style lost us it. First innings most wickets of the batsmen weren’t through recklessness but good bowling and testing conditions.

Probably notable these balls appeared to retain their hardness more traditionally which meant you didn’t have the ‘5 down but ball is not completely benign for 40 overs’ that definitely brought England back into games against NZ earlier this summer. Bairstow as an example may be far less effective if he’s coming in against a ball still swinging and seaming.

But it was a bad toss to lose. And we sort of know if it’s a game of batting against good bowling and the moving ball we probably will come out second best.
Yeah as a generality - but of course on Crawley, it's not one test, it's probably "another test"...

There is a huge discrepancy around what Crawley does, dependent on who won the toss. Could be coincidental...but I don't think it is - alright when everything's going for batting, really dips when it's adversarial to batting.

We win the toss and bat - Ave 40.
Won toss and fielded - Ave 16
Lost toss and sent in - Ave 8
Lost toss and fielded - Ave 20
I don’t rate Crawley at all and think personally it’s a mentality thing more than technical and I suspect that makes it very hard to fix.

I suppose it’s the question as to who else can be picked. But I’d have dropped him a long time ago.

For Bazball to work a simple truth is we need openers able to stick around longer and until we find them the middle order might save you sometimes but often they won’t.

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Re: creeeeeeeekeeeeeet

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:14 am

Yeah, I think he's getting to the end of "chances"

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