The Politics Thread

[Worthy4England]

We've had the ability to control our borders since Brexit

Point of order. We had control of our borders prior to Brexit. We simply chose not to control them

Indeed. Point accepted. Good job too, what with those 76,000,000 Turks just waiting to join the EU and walk to old Blighty. Saved!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

We've had the ability to control our borders since Brexit

Point of order. We had control of our borders prior to Brexit. We simply chose not to control them

Indeed. Point accepted. Good job too, what with those 76,000,000 Turks just waiting to join the EU and walk to old Blighty. Saved!

Amusing at the time as they wanted rid of them Europeans and were told what would happen. Now there are even more folk from other countries. The racists you'd think would feel duped, but they want more Farage not less

[Worthy4England]

Yeah. Astounding innit?

[Hoboh]

Well what a suprise! Labour, via the treasury are hiding where this 'black hole' is exactly coming from. Now't to do with paying off their pals, is it?

You mean millions of working people getting a pay rise after suffering a decade plus of real term wage cuts?

And we know where most of the overspend was - it was housing migrants in hotels who either could have been sent back to their country of origin but weren't or granted asylum and contributing taxes here instead of wholly costing the state.

Oh and 2tk has plans to deport all these scientists, Engineers and Dr's does he?
Sorry I forgot, him and Pixie ears Balls have a plan to set up a national border force to catch all the people smugglers in Libya, Turkey, Syria Albaina etc.
I'm sure they will be very successful.
Sixty grand plus train drivers, you know the poor people who cannot afford the costs of heating through winter, will be crying on their fourth or fifth overseas holiday this year. (Yes I know one and better still, his wife works for the NHS! Decent 4 bed in a nice area, two cars and two motorbikes.) Don't it just break your heart?
This 'black hole' 2tk and robber Reeves invented should be there for all to see and judge, I see they are now back peddling on what they said about the NHS when in opposition.
Ain't life good!

[Worthy4England]

Just get a job as a train driver mate. Or maybe a nurse.

All the scientists, Drs and nurses here since 2010, were let in by your fcking shambles, or did you not spot that?

And while you're at it, just remind us how many folks your lot managed to get to Rwanda for all the dosh spent.

The black hole is complex. They didn't invent the missing asylum budget of ~6-7bn. It wasn't in the last spending review at all. They have, as you say given more to public sector than the 2% that was included for this year. But 2% wasn't going to help after your lot allowed rampant inflation...

[BWFC_Insane]

Well what a suprise! Labour, via the treasury are hiding where this 'black hole' is exactly coming from. Now't to do with paying off their pals, is it?

You mean millions of working people getting a pay rise after suffering a decade plus of real term wage cuts?

And we know where most of the overspend was - it was housing migrants in hotels who either could have been sent back to their country of origin but weren't or granted asylum and contributing taxes here instead of wholly costing the state.

Oh and 2tk has plans to deport all these scientists, Engineers and Dr's does he?
Sorry I forgot, him and Pixie ears Balls have a plan to set up a national border force to catch all the people smugglers in Libya, Turkey, Syria Albaina etc.
I'm sure they will be very successful.
Sixty grand plus train drivers, you know the poor people who cannot afford the costs of heating through winter, will be crying on their fourth or fifth overseas holiday this year. (Yes I know one and better still, his wife works for the NHS! Decent 4 bed in a nice area, two cars and two motorbikes.) Don't it just break your heart?
This 'black hole' 2tk and robber Reeves invented should be there for all to see and judge, I see they are now back peddling on what they said about the NHS when in opposition.
Ain't life good!

I mean we will just ignore the nurses, doctors and teachers abandoning their jobs because pay is so rubbish. And pretend we could carry on underpaying them.

It was far less than they are owed. Far less. But it’s a start to try and avoid them leaving the roles we need them to do.

I don’t agree with plenty this government are doing but I do think that they’ve inherited an absolute disgrace.

[Hoboh]

Well what a suprise! Labour, via the treasury are hiding where this 'black hole' is exactly coming from. Now't to do with paying off their pals, is it?

You mean millions of working people getting a pay rise after suffering a decade plus of real term wage cuts?

And we know where most of the overspend was - it was housing migrants in hotels who either could have been sent back to their country of origin but weren't or granted asylum and contributing taxes here instead of wholly costing the state.

Oh and 2tk has plans to deport all these scientists, Engineers and Dr's does he?
Sorry I forgot, him and Pixie ears Balls have a plan to set up a national border force to catch all the people smugglers in Libya, Turkey, Syria Albaina etc.
I'm sure they will be very successful.
Sixty grand plus train drivers, you know the poor people who cannot afford the costs of heating through winter, will be crying on their fourth or fifth overseas holiday this year. (Yes I know one and better still, his wife works for the NHS! Decent 4 bed in a nice area, two cars and two motorbikes.) Don't it just break your heart?
This 'black hole' 2tk and robber Reeves invented should be there for all to see and judge, I see they are now back peddling on what they said about the NHS when in opposition.
Ain't life good!

I mean we will just ignore the nurses, doctors and teachers abandoning their jobs because pay is so rubbish. And pretend we could carry on underpaying them.

It was far less than they are owed. Far less. But it’s a start to try and avoid them leaving the roles we need them to do.

I don’t agree with plenty this government are doing but I do think that they’ve inherited an absolute disgrace.

There are many, many folk who do such an important job so what makes them special cases?
Sorry, but clapping for the NHS went out of the window, one look at the absence rate of these types along with GP's who regard seeing patients as an inconvenience, civil servants who think they are a special breed with pensions that mean they care little what robber Reeves is up to is enough to make a true socialist sick. Virtually every worker has seen their income plummet but labour only reward those with the biggest mouths, the unions.
I will quite happily make a prediction now, Labour will not get back in next time, 2tk has already made that a cert, and that's before that robotic thing in number 11 has delivered her budget.
I'm just waiting to see the real bill that plank and failed leader of an energy secretary comes up with.

[Worthy4England]

This is great. You'll be able to vote fcuk you, I'm a Tory again. "Every worker has seen their income plummet" but there's nowt wrong with our economics. You could not make this shit up..... I shall laugh, whilst supping my next methusalah, which is considerably more expensive since Brexit...

[Hoboh]

This is great. You'll be able to vote fcuk you, I'm a Tory again. "Every worker has seen their income plummet" but there's nowt wrong with our economics. You could not make this shit up..... I shall laugh, whilst supping my next methusalah, which is considerably more expensive since Brexit...

Have a kleenex, dry your eyes Mr wailing remainer.
I am NOT a Tory, I believe in fairness but not wiping everyone's arse when they abdicate all responsibility for their actions.
You know Brexit and the Corbyn dumpster was why I went with the Tories, always thought Johnson would cock something up, and he did, Brexit and Covid, by the way, had this lot now in been in power during Covid, we'd still be in lockdown.

[Hoboh]

We've had the ability to control our borders since Brexit

Point of order. We had control of our borders prior to Brexit. We simply chose not to control them

Indeed. Point accepted. Good job too, what with those 76,000,000 Turks just waiting to join the EU and walk to old Blighty. Saved!

Yeah, just like the trickle of Bulgarians and Romanians that came in. Phew, what a relief.

[Worthy4England]

We've had the ability to control our borders since Brexit

Point of order. We had control of our borders prior to Brexit. We simply chose not to control them

Indeed. Point accepted. Good job too, what with those 76,000,000 Turks just waiting to join the EU and walk to old Blighty. Saved!

Yeah, just like the trickle of Bulgarians and Romanians that came in. Phew, what a relief.

Nowt like the trickle since us having control of our own borders, eh? Didn't they manage 800,000, net? Good to see that one's been solved. Get on your soapbox and announce it widely to the rest of the "I'm NOT Tories."

[Hoboh]

We've had the ability to control our borders since Brexit

Point of order. We had control of our borders prior to Brexit. We simply chose not to control them

Indeed. Point accepted. Good job too, what with those 76,000,000 Turks just waiting to join the EU and walk to old Blighty. Saved!

Yeah, just like the trickle of Bulgarians and Romanians that came in. Phew, what a relief.

Nowt like the trickle since us having control of our own borders, eh? Didn't they manage 800,000, net? Good to see that one's been solved. Get on your soapbox and announce it widely to the rest of the "I'm NOT Tories."

Whoever I support is better than being a socialist lap dog on a lead

[Worthy4England]

What lead do you believe I'm on? I'm struggling to find it...

[Hoboh]

Robber Reeves.

Rachael Reeves speech
The following is an extract from a speech by Rachel Reeves at the Labour party conference in 2022 when she was Shadow Chancellor.
"Last April on a cold Spring evening I knocked on the door of a pensioner in my constituency. When I reached out to shake her hand it was purple and freezing cold.
Already, back then she was afraid to put the heating on, struggling to get by on the small pension she had built up through a life time of work.
As energy bills and inflation rise even higher I often think of her. That is the stark reality facing people all around our country today".

And now, 2tk thinks about sausages?
Good job it wasn't bacon, Milliband would have fled the hall in tears alongside all the pensioners cash to fund his Shreks daughter Greta's wet dream.

[Worthy4England]

Amazing how many posts you see from folks who couldn't find any bad words to say about the last lot, but can't keep schtum about this lot.

The winter fuel payments were introduced by Labour after 18 years of shit government. It was increased from £20 to £200 for under 80's, £300 if there was an over 80.

Since 2012, it's not been increased once. 1.3m people fewer get it due to rising pensiob ages. Where was your indignation for those 14 years? It's decreased in real terms by £1.3bn over the last 14 years.

I don't agree with this cut and it should be reversed. But spare me your indignation.

[TANGODANCER]

Being a bit of a history buff I'm finding little real differences between fourteenth and fifteenth century legend and today. Land grants to cronies, the poor getting poorer and the ever present tax demands, probably instituted the Robin Hood legends before Government seized power over the Monarchy, but today is just the same game with a different name except Westminster has replaced Nottingham as headquarters of the "haves" and land was only ever illegally owned by those with the biggest armies. Oh, the Hooded Man now refers to your local burglars and Maid Marion doesn't come running any more with a flagon of mead when the Lord of the Manor snaps his fingers.

Wonder who actually instituted the words "educational progress" when bin-men can't even seem to read the right house numbers on the bins? (sorry, re-cycling receptacles) Ah well, on with it, I'm off to practise archery....

[Worthy4England]

^^ The only thing that's remained static is the 30% of land owned by "the gentry." 18% is owned by corporations. 17% by oligarchs and bankers...17%, not even the Land Registry can tell us very easily. Just 5% is owned by ~24 million homeowners...

As Deep Throat said. "Follow the money." The thing that's most broken at the moment is capitalism. They sort that one out, they will go some way to sorting out the Westminster bit. They're all in denial at the moment. Our lives are not controlled by governments, but corporations...

[Hoboh]

Amazing how many posts you see from folks who couldn't find any bad words to say about the last lot, but can't keep schtum about this lot.

The winter fuel payments were introduced by Labour after 18 years of shit government. It was increased from £20 to £200 for under 80's, £300 if there was an over 80.

Since 2012, it's not been increased once. 1.3m people fewer get it due to rising pensiob ages. Where was your indignation for those 14 years? It's decreased in real terms by £1.3bn over the last 14 years.

I don't agree with this cut and it should be reversed. But spare me your indignation.

Indignation is rapidly being replaced by free gear, two tier Kiers sticky wicket he's playing on

[Worthy4England]

An inauspicious start, for sure. Yet his freebies pale by Johnson standards.

[TANGODANCER]

Bolton council are planning to charge us £45 per year to have our green bins emptied. (those with gardens. The rest just have smaller bins, so what does council tax cover? ) So, no free T.V licences, bus passes that are no use if you have to take a taxi to go shopping, and no £300 fuel allowances. Ebenezer Scrooge is alive and well and living in Bolton.